your thoughts on aliens/ extra terrestials?

freezerman2000 · Jun 14, 2014

Below the earth..where may that be?

stevevw · Jun 14, 2014

dad said:
Apparently there are aliens that will come from below the earth mentioned in the bible. They are evil and hurtful, and weird looking.

Some will also fall from the sky, and be grounded on earth. They are about to be a fact of life on earth.

They are demons.

Well I have this belief that if Satan were to come and deceive everyone and be able to do great signs and wonders then he has to come in some sort of disguise. If he came as a great spiritual being then people would also start to think there may also be a God. If he is disguised as a man then the wonders he will do will be impossible for a man and everyone will suspect something else is going on. But because many have bought into the evolution story and now will believe that life can come from non life then aliens are quite possible. In fact there should be many forms of life out there in the universe. So eventually an alien coming would not be as great a freak out as many think. In fact some will welcome them with open arms. We have been talking about UFOs and alien life for years. People have been making claims and having sightings and abductions. We are now more accepting of aliens and UFOs than ever before. This is the best way Satan can be under cover and have all the great tricks and powers that can amaze and fool many. So Satan coming as an alien would surprise me.

digitalgoth · Jun 15, 2014

stevevw said:
Satan would come back as a preacher under cover. People mistrust aliens, but you wholeheartedly trust a preacher.

stevevw · Jun 15, 2014

digitalgoth said:
Satan would come back as a preacher under cover. People mistrust aliens, but you wholeheartedly trust a preacher.

The way things have gone lately I dont think many people trust preachers. But yes I guess so but then how does he perform great signs and wonders if he is just a Human preacher. I would think people would be sus of a person who can do supernatural things. Certainly the science section would be saying its all hocus pocus. Where as if we finally get a visit from an alien then most people are ready for such a visit as they believe in evolution and that there is life out there somewhere.

It would either be seen as a threat like we depict in movies or the opposite as a friend coming to help us with our environmental issues. They would have great technology that would seem magical and give us solutions to a lot of our problems. This would win over many. The other thing is that it could sway some believers as the bible says as they would then think that evolution is true because there is life on other planters as Jesus would not have died twice for other planters. So they would start to doubt their own beliefs and start to believe in evolution.

Wiccan_Child · Jun 15, 2014

stevevw said:
The way things have gone lately I dont think many people trust preachers. But yes I guess so but then how does he perform great signs and wonders if he is just a Human preacher. I would think people would be sus of a person who can do supernatural things.

Faith healers make a living out of fooling others into believing they can do miracles and whatnot:

James Randi Debunks Faith Healer - YouTube

stevevw said:
Certainly the science section would be saying its all hocus pocus. Where as if we finally get a visit from an alien then most people are ready for such a visit as they believe in evolution and that there is life out there somewhere.

It would either be seen as a threat like we depict in movies or the opposite as a friend coming to help us with our environmental issues. They would have great technology that would seem magical and give us solutions to a lot of our problems. This would win over many. The other thing is that it could sway some believers as the bible says as they would then think that evolution is true because there is life on other planters as Jesus would not have died twice for other planters. So they would start to doubt their own beliefs and start to believe in evolution.

It's only really in the US that Christians don't believe in evolution - the rest of Christendom has moved on. Besides, is God made life on Earth in six days, who's to say he didn't do the same elsewhere? Who's to say Jesus can't have died on each planet individually?

Justatruthseeker · Jun 15, 2014

Wiccan_Child said:
Besides, is God made life on Earth in six days, who's to say he didn't do the same elsewhere? Who's to say Jesus can't have died on each planet individually?

Personally, I don't think any aliens (if they exist) have ever visited earth, but they are a possibility whether one believes in creationism or evolution, infinite or finite universe.

I guess it is just a matter of opinion, but if you believe in creationism, why would God make an infinite universe and man on just one tiny little speck?. If you believe in evolution then one must admit the possibility (no matter how actually slim) that the same processes have randomly occurred on other planets.

So my best guess is yes, but I certainly don't think they have been here, despite others opinions they have.

stevevw · Jun 15, 2014

Wiccan_Child said:
It's only really in the US that Christians don't believe in evolution - the rest of Christendom has moved on. Besides, is God made life on Earth in six days, who's to say he didn't do the same elsewhere? Who's to say Jesus can't have died on each planet individually?

The majority of Christians dont believe the evolution you are talking about. Most people believe in an evolution within the same species. But there is no evidence for an kind of creature morphing into another type. A dog like Pakicetus didn't become a whale. A dino didn't become a bird. There is no evidence for this. Some religious people believe that God started the process of evolution but this has all sorts of implications for the bible and some of the core beliefs of a Christian God. Thats makes the bible wrong and then makes the rest untrusted and then we are starting to not believe any of the bible.

Jesus would not have died for any other living souls on any other planets.The bible says he died once and fro all and he rose from the dead and sits at the right hand side of God. He has done it the once and thats it. So if this is true then there are no other living souls in the universe. There maybe some sort of creature like some strange bacteria or worm. But God anit sending Jesus over and over again to be setup for something he didn't do and go through all that again. Talk about ground hog day.

Justatruthseeker · Jun 15, 2014

stevevw said:
The majority of Christians dont believe the evolution you are talking about. Most people believe in an evolution within the same species. But there is no evidence for an kind of creature morphing into another type. A dog like Pakicetus didn't become a whale. A dino didn't become a bird. There is no evidence for this. Some religious people believe that God started the process of evolution but this has all sorts of implications for the bible and some of the core beliefs of a Christian God. Thats makes the bible wrong and then makes the rest untrusted and then we are starting to not believe any of the bible.

Jesus would not have died for any other living souls on any other planets.The bible says he died once and fro all and he rose from the dead and sits at the right hand side of God. He has done it the once and thats it. So if this is true then there are no other living souls in the universe. There maybe some sort of creature like some strange bacteria or worm. But God anit sending Jesus over and over again to be setup for something he didn't do and go through all that again. Talk about ground hog day.

True, as I believe in variation amongst kinds, that in itself has been shown to be limited.

http://www.weloennig.de/Loennig-Long-Version-of-Law-of-Recurrent-Variation.pdf

But then He created angels too, all the things visible and invisible. Who are we to think His grand plan includes just one life form on one tiny speck of dust in a universe of unimaginable size?

Me, I'm not that conceited to think I'm the center of that universe and can decipher God's plan for it, nor that God thought He needed to tell me everything.

The Bible only concerns itself with the creation of man. It doesn't bother to explain why He created billions of galaxies, with untold billions of stars and billions of planets. To think God might not have created life everywhere to declare His glory is unimaginable to me. God is everywhere, and where He is there exists life. The entire universe declares His glory, not just us. One can neither say yes nor no, the Bible is completely silent on this subject.

Armoured · Jun 15, 2014

stevevw said:
The majority of Christians dont believe the evolution you are talking about.

Actually, most Christians do. Every Catholic, for a start. The Anglicans, the orthodox churches... pretty sure the Uniting church does...

Justatruthseeker · Jun 15, 2014

Armoured said:
Actually, most Christians do. Every Catholic, for a start. The Anglicans, the orthodox churches... pretty sure the Uniting church does...

Yah well, some believe priests should not marry too.

1 Timothy 3:1-13; 4:1-5

Armoured · Jun 15, 2014

Justatruthseeker said:
Yah well, some believe priests should not marry too.

1 Timothy 3:1-13; 4:1-5

Um... how's that relevant? You said "most Christians don't believe in evolution". That statement is demonstrably false.

Justatruthseeker · Jun 15, 2014

Armoured said:
Um... how's that relevant? You said "most Christians don't believe in evolution". That statement is demonstrably false.

And maybe those that believe in evolution follow a belief that also forbids their priests to marry in direct opposition to God's word. For as it asks: "but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?"

So maybe those just haven't been doing a very good job of taking care of that Church, since they don't know how to manage a family?

Armoured · Jun 15, 2014

Justatruthseeker said:
And maybe those that believe in evolution follow a belief that also forbids their priests to marry in direct opposition to God's word. For as it asks: "but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?"

So maybe those just haven't been doing a very good job of taking care of that Church, since they don't know how to manage a family?

And maybe they all think the moon is made of green cheese. You said "most Christians don't believe in evolution". That statement is demonstrably false. It remains false whether some priesthoods are celibate or not.

Dizredux · Jun 15, 2014

stevevw said:
The majority of Christians don't believe the evolution you are talking about.

The Gallup poll of 2014 reported that 50% of of adults in the US accepted evolution and 42% believed in creationism.

The Pew poll of 12-2013 reported 61% accepted evolution and 33% creationism 12-13

The differences are attributable to different polling methods and are not seen as unusual.

With either one though, less than half (33% and 42%) believed in creationism.

World wide, the numbers look like this:

According to a 2011 IPSOS poll
Belief in Supreme Being(s) and Afterlife Accepted By Half (51%) of Citizens in 23 Country Survey, But Only 28% Are ‘Creationists’

41% identify as evolutionist
28% global citizens refer to themselves as creationists
31% simply don't know.

Here are some of the mainline denominations that accept evolution.
Catholic Church
Episcopal Church
Church of England
United Methodist Church
Presbyterian Church
National Council of Churches USA
The Church of the Nazarene

So your claim that the majority of Christians appears to be very unlikely.

Dizredux

Ipsos Global @dvisory: Supreme Being(s), the Afterlife and Evolution | Ipsos
Evolution, Creationism, Intelligent Design | Gallup Historical Trends
Publicâ€™s Views on Human Evolution | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project

dad · Jun 15, 2014

freezerman2000 said:
Below the earth..where may that be?

The pit. The abyss. This is news? Things alien to earth are on their way here one day, maybe soon. They will be ordered not to kill mankind, but will be allowed to hurt them, those who sided with the dark side. They will inflict upon men a condition that is worse than a scorpion sting.

dad · Jun 15, 2014

stevevw said:
Well I have this belief that if Satan were to come and deceive everyone and be able to do great signs and wonders then he has to come in some sort of disguise. If he came as a great spiritual being then people would also start to think there may also be a God. If he is disguised as a man then the wonders he will do will be impossible for a man and everyone will suspect something else is going on.

Right, I think that is called deception.

I mean if we had a leader of some country that actually came up from the pit under the sea, as a result of say, that Indonesian earthquake years ago that was so severe, how would we know, if he looked like a man? If some spirit like Baal, was under the earth until released, in this scenario example, and looked like a man, how would we know who he really was? I used that example because I vaguely recall that Baal was the son of Zeus? Zeus may have been a name for Satan. All that to say, we do not know all that really goes on. One day we will. Once we see the fulfillment of some prophesies we will understand what they really referred to.
Such as this one..

Isa 14:9 -Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

Re 11:7 -And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Re 13:1 -And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

But because many have bought into the evolution story and now will believe that life can come from non life then aliens are quite possible.

Exactly, a way to omit God and credit something else falsely.

In fact there should be many forms of life out there in the universe.

Spiritual, yes. But not physical, because why would God make all sorts of life and then fold up the universe and it exist no more?? That makes no sense.

So eventually an alien coming would not be as great a freak out as many think. In fact some will welcome them with open arms.

Maybe. I can't predict all that. Possibly they would fear them? We do know demons like to enslave people if they can. There will be slaves again in the end big time. In fact all the world of unbelievers will be virtually enslaved with a mark that restricts what they can buy, or etc.

Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? 18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

We have been talking about UFOs and alien life for years. People have been making claims and having sightings and abductions. We are now more accepting of aliens and UFOs than ever before.

I know, there seems to be some reality to this demonic activity.

This is the best way Satan can be under cover and have all the great tricks and powers that can amaze and fool many. So Satan coming as an alien would surprise me.

I think he has to use a man. (AntiChrist and False Prophet)

For the spirit to have a body I think a man is needed. Of course if we want to see a spirit, I suggest one way is in words. Like the babblings of so called science on creation!!

freezerman2000 · Jun 15, 2014

dad said:
The pit. The abyss. This is news? Things alien to earth are on their way here one day, maybe soon. They will be ordered not to kill mankind, but will be allowed to hurt them, those who sided with the dark side. They will inflict upon men a condition that is worse than a scorpion sting.

So is "earth"the ground or the globe we live on?

dad · Jun 15, 2014

freezerman2000 said:
So is "earth"the ground or the globe we live on?

I would think it primarily refers to the surface of the earth.

Wiccan_Child · Jun 16, 2014

stevevw said:
The majority of Christians dont believe the evolution you are talking about.

Actually, most do (source):

stevevw said:
Most people believe in an evolution within the same species.

Most also believe in the mainstream theory of evolution:

stevevw said:
But there is no evidence for an kind of creature morphing into another type. A dog like Pakicetus didn't become a whale. A dino didn't become a bird.

No, no, of course they didn't...

stevevw said:
There is no evidence for this.

99.97% of scientists believe otherwise, and they have the fossils and genetics to back it up.

stevevw said:
Some religious people believe that God started the process of evolution but this has all sorts of implications for the bible and some of the core beliefs of a Christian God. Thats makes the bible wrong and then makes the rest untrusted and then we are starting to not believe any of the bible.

That's one steep and slippery slope.

stevevw said:
Jesus would not have died for any other living souls on any other planets.The bible says he died once and fro all and he rose from the dead and sits at the right hand side of God. He has done it the once and thats it. So if this is true then there are no other living souls in the universe.

I'm not sure how you're making this leap. Where does it say Jesus died for humans and no other species? Where does it say Jesus died only for Earth's intelligent species? The 'world' referred to in John 3:16 is ambiguous, and whether it means 'planet' or 'universe' doesn't preclude Jesus saving aliens it could be his sacrifice on Earth saved them ('world' means 'universe), or that he died once on each planet ('world' means 'Earth').

stevevw said:
But God anit sending Jesus over and over again to be setup for something he didn't do and go through all that again. Talk about ground hog day.

So you find it personally laborious to send Jesus to die repeatedly, so therefore it never happened? I'm pretty sure God, being omnipotent, can do whatever he wants. If he wants Jesus to die for every intelligent and soulful race he's created, then that's his prerogative.

stevevw · Jun 16, 2014

Justatruthseeker said:
True, as I believe in variation amongst kinds, that in itself has been shown to be limited.

http://www.weloennig.de/Loennig-Long-Version-of-Law-of-Recurrent-Variation.pdf

But then He created angels too, all the things visible and invisible. Who are we to think His grand plan includes just one life form on one tiny speck of dust in a universe of unimaginable size?

Me, I'm not that conceited to think I'm the center of that universe and can decipher God's plan for it, nor that God thought He needed to tell me everything.

The Bible only concerns itself with the creation of man. It doesn't bother to explain why He created billions of galaxies, with untold billions of stars and billions of planets. To think God might not have created life everywhere to declare His glory is unimaginable to me. God is everywhere, and where He is there exists life. The entire universe declares His glory, not just us. One can neither say yes nor no, the Bible is completely silent on this subject.

The way I see it is that Christ died once and for all here on planet earth. If there were other people like us that can think and reason then God would have given them a soul as well. Then they would need salvation. Christ can only die and be raised from the dead into the right hand of God once. God wouldn't do it over and over again. It would be little the act itself.

I tend to believe what has been alluded to in the bible that we are the only ones. Earth is perfectly tuned for life in the limitless universe and we are the only ones lucky enough to receive Gods free gift of salvation from sin and death. There maybe some form of life out there and you would think so if the universe goes on for eternity.

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