Let's talk about fat.

Inkachu · Jun 2, 2014

bhsmte said:
If you want to lose weight, weight bearing exercise is the gold standard and far superior to non-weight bearing activity.

Why? Because when one performs exercise for long periods of time in which they must carry their own body weight, the body adapts to this stress by trying to become as light as possible, so the stress of the exercise is reduced.

Cycling is a fine activity, but you are seated and bear non of your bodies weight. Cycling is also an activity which is a great quad workout for your legs, but you will incur local muscle fatigue before you can tax your cardio respiratory system, to the same level you can with activities such as; running, cross country skiing and other activities that require you to propel your own weight.

Have you ever seen a long distance runner who has run for long periods of time who is overweight?

You say "the body adapts... by trying to become as light as possible", but I'm still quite overweight, so my body obviously isn't trying to become any lighter at this point unless I'm missing something lol.

Cycling DOES require you to bear your own body weight in that you have to make the bike move with the weight of your carcass on it

Now that's probably not much of a strain for a 150lb lean cycling athlete. But for someone who weighs say, 250 lbs, and most of that is fat, not muscle, even cycling up a very slight hill is going to be an extremely taxing workout.

I'm not sure what you mean by incurring "local muscle fatigue before you can tax your cardio respiratory system". That makes it sound as if my legs will get too tired to continue before my heart and lungs even begin working hard. That's completely false, at least for me. I feel myself breathing pretty heavily within the first few minutes of riding, and I'm completely wiped out (muscles AND breathing/heart rate) by the time I get home. I'm not complaining, it feels great, but I'm certainly "taxing" my cardio respiratory system.

We all need to bear in mind that effective exercise for a lean, lightweight athlete who's been working out for 20 years is not going to be identical as someone who's overweight, had a sedentary past, and isn't looking to be an athlete, just someone with an overall healthier lifestyle.

Inkachu · Jun 2, 2014

bhsmte said:
Nope. Feet must touch the ground in support of your body weight to be considered weight bearing. Sure, when you go up hill, it is harder, but still not weight bearing, because the bike is supporting your weight.

I guess we have to get technical here lol. Frankly, it's a lot easier to walk up a hill than bike up a hill. The bike may be supporting your weight instead of your feet, but you're still moving the weight of your body with your muscles!

mkgal1 said:
Inka.....are you using a stationary bike? From what I'm understanding......if using a stationary bike, you can increase the tension to the point where the only way you can create enough force to move the pedals is to stand up to pedal. That is supposed to be much more beneficial. You'd be using more muscle tissue.

I have a recumbent indoor bike and a regular (outdoor) bike. I have to be really careful with the pedal tension on the recumbent, cause I have issues with my knee, and I've noticed that I'll have pretty nasty pain after trying to increase the tension too much. And since it's recumbent, I can't stand up on it anyway

Strangely, I don't have knee pain after riding a regular bike, though.

mkgal1 · Jun 2, 2014

bhsmte can't respond to your posts in this thread, Inka......but I started this one here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7825379/#post65723857

Nilla · Jun 2, 2014

I got a message about this but forgot about it..

is it ok by you all if we move the whole thread to Lifestages hangout?

If so let me know and I'll move the thread.

seeingeyes · Jun 2, 2014

Nilla said:
I got a message about this but forgot about it..

is it ok by you all if we move the whole thread to Lifestages hangout?

If so let me know and I'll move the thread.

Well, this particular thread was about fat as it pertains to married couples (despite how far it has ranged since then ^_^

).

Nilla · Jun 2, 2014

lol ok.. since you are the OP I'm gonna let you decide if you want it to stay here or get moved.

We can always make a new thread with the posts that are "off topic" or whatever you want to call it.

I'll check back in and see.. or send me a PM.

seeingeyes · Jun 2, 2014

Nilla said:
lol ok.. since you are the OP I'm gonna let you decide if you want it to stay here or get moved.

We can always make a new thread with the posts that are "off topic" or whatever you want to call it.

I'll check back in and see.. or send me a PM.

It has probably run its course here. May as well move it.

Nilla · Jun 2, 2014

Mod Hat On

Moved from Married Couples to Lifestages Hangout.

Mod Hat Off

bhsmte · Jun 2, 2014

Inkachu said:
You say "the body adapts... by trying to become as light as possible", but I'm still quite overweight, so my body obviously isn't trying to become any lighter at this point unless I'm missing something lol.

Cycling DOES require you to bear your own body weight in that you have to make the bike move with the weight of your carcass on it Now that's probably not much of a strain for a 150lb lean cycling athlete. But for someone who weighs say, 250 lbs, and most of that is fat, not muscle, even cycling up a very slight hill is going to be an extremely taxing workout.

I'm not sure what you mean by incurring "local muscle fatigue before you can tax your cardio respiratory system". That makes it sound as if my legs will get too tired to continue before my heart and lungs even begin working hard. That's completely false, at least for me. I feel myself breathing pretty heavily within the first few minutes of riding, and I'm completely wiped out (muscles AND breathing/heart rate) by the time I get home. I'm not complaining, it feels great, but I'm certainly "taxing" my cardio respiratory system.

We all need to bear in mind that effective exercise for a lean, lightweight athlete who's been working out for 20 years is not going to be identical as someone who's overweight, had a sedentary past, and isn't looking to be an athlete, just someone with an overall healthier lifestyle.

Cycling is not a weight bearing activity, I'm sorry, it just isn't.

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Inkachu · Jun 2, 2014

Go figure!!! I love walking better than biking, and walking is SO much easier lol. What gives?? I feel like I'm gonna have a heart attack sometimes on the bike, but I can walk for miles without feeling like I've done a whole lot. Irony!

bhsmte · Jun 2, 2014

Inkachu said:
Go figure!!! I love walking better than biking, and walking is SO much easier lol. What gives?? I feel like I'm gonna have a heart attack sometimes on the bike, but I can walk for miles without feeling like I've done a whole lot. Irony!

Try doing an interval workout, where you run for a couple minutes then walk a couple of minutes. See how your breathing does then. And the reason you struggle when you bike, is the only muscles doing any work are your quads and they give out. Walking and running involves much more muscle mass that contributes to the activity and because of this, you do not incur local muscle fatigue.

The difference in effort between walking a running is massive, in the energy requirements to propel your body.

Inkachu · Jun 2, 2014

I can't run due to asthma, but I looove a good walk. Good to know that I'm not "wimping out" and losing on health benefits if I opt to walk instead of bike.

bhsmte · Jun 2, 2014

Inkachu said:
I can't run due to asthma, but I looove a good walk. Good to know that I'm not "wimping out" and losing on health benefits if I opt to walk instead of bike.

If biking is so much harder for you as you claim, how can you bike with asthma?

Hetta · Jun 2, 2014

bhsmte said:
The difference in effort between walking a running is massive, in the energy requirements to propel your body.

Ah, young man, but wait until your bones begin to creak and running hurts more than it helps.

I have had injuries in the past, but I fear that I will be no longer able to run. Bah.

Walking must now be my friend and I am determined to love it. :hug:

bhsmte · Jun 2, 2014

Hetta said:
Ah, young man, but wait until your bones begin to creak and running hurts more than it helps. I have had injuries in the past, but I fear that I will be no longer able to run. Bah.

Walking must now be my friend and I am determined to love it.

I figured the other day, that I have run over 25,000 miles in my life and still have been able to avoid major issues and I am don't have your typical runners body at 6 feet 2, 220 pounds. I did a lot of weight training when I was younger, which I think helped prevent some of the imbalances that develop from logging a lot of miles.

But, there is a reason why they call running; the cardiovascular dream, but orthopedic nightmare.

Hetta · Jun 2, 2014

bhsmte said:
I figured the other day, that I have run over 25,000 miles in my life and still have been able to avoid major issues and I am don't have your typical runners body at 6 feet 2, 220 pounds. I did a lot of weight training when I was younger, which I think helped prevent some of the imbalances that develop from logging a lot of miles.

Wow on the miles. :clap:

And no, that is not a typical 'runner's body' but then, the body seems to learn and adapt to the workouts that we throw at it - so long as it is young and strong.

But, there is a reason why they call running; the cardiovascular dream, but orthopedic nightmare.

Indeed. But running is the best legal high ever! I was always thrilled before I began a run, kwim? Fastening up my shoe laces with a big grin on my face.

Hetta · Jun 2, 2014

I saw something that I wanted to respond to but perhaps on the other thread, which I now can't find ... so, I don't believe in all of those crash diets and 'gurus' releasing a book every week, but what is your take on the Biggest Loser thing? I admit to being hooked on this show and watch every time, and tell myself I watch from a psychologist's perspective i.e. whether individuals identify some particular moment in time when they began to overeat, or some particular trigger that causes them to overeat. After all, quite often, these are not merely overweight individuals, many are morbidly obese. It takes a lot to get to 350lbs! That's a lot of cookies and pies, you know?

Anyway ... they do lose a lot of weight, fast, that first week. Is this all water? Can anyone actually lose 15lbs of fluid?

I saw parts of the most recent season, and particularly the furor over the girl who won. Sadly, they were telling her when she came out - looking like a survivor of a concentration camp - that she was an "athlete." I'm sorry, but I have never seen an athlete who was skin and bone. Athletes that I have seen, whether swimmers or runners (this girl had been a competitive swimmer at one time) have muscle. This girl was scrawny.

In case you missed it.

'The Biggest Loser' Winner Rachel Frederickson Weighs 105 Pounds - ABC News

She looks much better now she regained some weight.

'The Biggest Loser' Winner Rachel Frederickson Gained 20 Pounds - ABC News

I've said this before and I'll say it again - nobody looks good with no fat on their body. And a woman who is 5ft 6 should not be 105lbs.

Hetta · Jun 2, 2014

Darn you ABC for making me see photos of a certain 'celebrity' wedding that took place recently. <shakes fist impotently>

Wren · Jun 2, 2014

I keep hearing and reading lately that running is so much better for fitness than walking, but those of us with arthritis will have to settle for walking. Though I don't do casual strolls. I walk as fast as I can while pushing a stroller and for about 4 miles at a time. That and my little strength training routine are working as far as weight loss (and toning) for me.

bhsmte · Jun 2, 2014

Hetta said:
I saw something that I wanted to respond to but perhaps on the other thread, which I now can't find ... so, I don't believe in all of those crash diets and 'gurus' releasing a book every week, but what is your take on the Biggest Loser thing? I admit to being hooked on this show and watch every time, and tell myself I watch from a psychologist's perspective i.e. whether individuals identify some particular moment in time when they began to overeat, or some particular trigger that causes them to overeat. After all, quite often, these are not merely overweight individuals, many are morbidly obese. It takes a lot to get to 350lbs! That's a lot of cookies and pies, you know?

Anyway ... they do lose a lot of weight, fast, that first week. Is this all water? Can anyone actually lose 15lbs of fluid?

I saw parts of the most recent season, and particularly the furor over the girl who won. Sadly, they were telling her when she came out - looking like a survivor of a concentration camp - that she was an "athlete." I'm sorry, but I have never seen an athlete who was skin and bone. Athletes that I have seen, whether swimmers or runners (this girl had been a competitive swimmer at one time) have muscle. This girl was scrawny.

In case you missed it.

'The Biggest Loser' Winner Rachel Frederickson Weighs 105 Pounds - ABC News

She looks much better now she regained some weight.

'The Biggest Loser' Winner Rachel Frederickson Gained 20 Pounds - ABC News

I've said this before and I'll say it again - nobody looks good with no fat on their body. And a woman who is 5ft 6 should not be 105lbs.

I can assure you, you can lose a lot of fluid weight quickly. The problem is, your body had that fluid for a reason and it needs to be replenished, unless muscle was lost, which is 70% fluid by weight, which is why muscle is so much heavier than fat.

I can lose 4-5 pounds of fluid in one strenuous workout, because one gallon of water weighs 8 pounds. The body is loaded with fluid and if one loses a lot of weight quickly, this is the majority of what they lost.

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