Does anyone else in our forum discern-sift doctrines of men in this way?

AJCServant · May 26, 2014

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Does anyone else in our forum discern-sift doctrines of men in this way?[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Hi all,[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I thought I would carry across this post from another forum to see what the views within this forum are on this subject.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Does anyone else in our forum discern-sift doctrines of men from doctrines of God in this way?

Especially concerning end time apocalyptic doctrines but all doctrines of men are equally important to discern IMO? [/FONT]

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A “first” test by which some have learned to “discern” doctrines- of- men from doctrines- of- God is that someone's doctrines- from- God, (although “sometimes” "imperfect" in grammar, style, history, and even towards God's perfect omniscient viewpoint), would always be “taught” by a converting person in an infallible way which would always mentor holiness* in their adherents, [**] AND doctrines- of- men are systematically taught in a “dogmatic” and “harsh” way and so are invariably “erred” and would never promote holiness* in any adherent, who would become similarly “dogmatic” in their "enforcement" [+] of their “dogma” upon others. (+: Note: for an example see the history of the valid disagreements concerning the doctrinal errs between M.Servetus and J.Calvin.)

[*: Holiness defined via scripture is - - "set apart for service" to "all" of mankind, and the Trinity does this without favoritism so that eventually 1 John 3:8b would be fulfilled in the earth as more "believers" would become "Holy" disciples of Jesus.]

[**: e.g. see the writings of the early church leaders in the Epistles and the Gospels and their own struggles in these areas]

So does anyone else in our forum discern-sift doctrines of men from doctrines of God in this way and if not what method have others been taught by God how to "discern"?

I know that Paul was continuously seeking God on ably discerning and confronting "all" of the various "gospels" and doctrines in his day, by what those doctrines or "gospels" promoted in their adherents, and something- like the "first- test" given above must have been his primary measure. This is why during the earliest times of his writing his epistles he wrote to the Galatians as strongly as he did, because he saw the end result of their errs could be a holocaust similarly to what occurred to the "religious" and the "Christian" Judaizers in 70AD Jerusalem.

When they and their "Doctrines- of- Men" had caused them to cease being any salt or light towards the world and they were subsequently trampled under the feet of men.

God forbid this should happen in our generation and cultures.

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We are all in training to be a little more like Jesus every day, one day and one step at a time, and ultimately in each generation we are all being “sifted” and “pruned” to be more and more fruitful than previous generations, and will either rise to the challenges or will fall- away with the chaff.

May our God empower each of us to “become” the “blessings” we have been “called” to become, as we would each learn to pray and obey the still small voice of Jesus with faith, grace and faithfulness in our pursuit of holiness*.

Into Jesus' love - we should all put our trust eternally,
AJCServant
John 10 & 15 & 17 & Revelation 21
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Albion · May 26, 2014

Naa. I don't think there's anything to that theory.

doctrines- from- God...would always be taught by a converting person in an infallible way which would always mentor holiness* in their adherents

IMO, there's no reason whatsoever to assume that a newly converted person is going to either speak "infallibly" thereafter on doctrine or "always mentor holiness."

AJCServant said:
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Does anyone else in our forum discern-sift doctrines of men in this way?[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Hi all,[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I thought I would carry across this post from another forum to see what the views within this forum are on this subject.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Does anyone else in our forum discern-sift doctrines of men from doctrines of God in this way?

Especially concerning end time apocalyptic doctrines but all doctrines of men are equally important to discern IMO? [/FONT]

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We are all in training to be a little more like Jesus every day, one day and one step at a time, and ultimately in each generation we are all being sifted and pruned to be more and more fruitful than previous generations, and will either rise to the challenges or will fall- away with the chaff.

May our God empower each of us to become the blessings we have been called to become, as we would each learn to pray and obey the still small voice of Jesus with faith, grace and faithfulness in our pursuit of holiness*.

Into Jesus' love - we should all put our trust eternally,
AJCServant
John 10 & 15 & 17 & Revelation 21
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AJCServant · May 26, 2014

Albion said:
Naa. I don't think there's anything to that theory.

IMO, there's no reason whatsoever to assume that a newly converted person is going to either speak "infallibly" thereafter on doctrine or "always mentor holiness."

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Hi all,

In response to the above post, from the definitions below for a converting person, these simply elaborate that a convert is undergoing a "visible" change from the norm.

So that even a novice can infallibly promote the gospel, due to their visible change from the norm.

Because the gospel is a simple message that oftentimes children can promote infallibly in ways that will evoke holiness in those who would hear it, when some might not hear it from others who were obviously more arrogant-prideful or religious and were not discernably changed from the norm.

My view is that many Christians forget that "how" the gospel is presented is oftentimes what rightly-divides doctrines from men that can NOT evoke any holiness from anyone, from doctrines from God that would infallibly kindle holiness from a receptive person with a good heart.

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]con·vert (kən-vûrt&#8242[/FONT]
v. con·vert·ed, con·vert·ing, con·verts

Verb
v.tr.
<1. To change (something) into another form, substance, state, or product; transform: convert water into ice.
<2. To change (something) from one use, function, or purpose to another; adapt to a new or different purpose: convert a forest into farmland.
<3. To persuade or induce to adopt a particular religion, faith, or belief: convert pagans to Christianity; was converted to pacifism by the war.
<4. To exchange for something of equal value: convert assets into cash.
<5. To exchange (a security, for example) by substituting an equivalent of another form.
<6. To express (a quantity) in alternative units: converting feet into meters.
<7. Logic To transform (a proposition) by conversion.
<8. Law
a. To appropriate (another's property) without right to one's own use.
b. To change (property) from real to personal or from joint to separate or vice versa.
<9. Sports
a. To complete (a conversion, penalty shot, or free throw) successfully.
b. To score (a spare) in bowling.

Verb
v.intr.
<1. To undergo a conversion: We converted to Islam several years ago.
<2. To be converted: a sofa that converts into a bed; arms factories converting to peacetime production.
<3.
a. Football To make a conversion.
b. Sports To shoot and score a goal, especially immediately after receiving a pass or gaining control of a rebound.

Noun
n. (kŏn′vûrt&#8242
One who has been converted, especially from one religion or belief to another.

[Middle English converten, from Old French convertir, from Latin convertere, to turn around: com-, intensive pref.; see com- + vertere, to turn; see wer-2 in Indo-European roots.]

Synonyms: convert, metamorphose, transfigure, transform, transmogrify, transmute

These verbs mean to change into a different form, substance, or state: convert stocks into cash; misery that was metamorphosed into happiness; a gangling adolescent who was transfigured into a handsome adult; transformed the bare stage into an enchanted forest; a boom that transmogrified the sleepy town into a bustling city; impossible to transmute lead into gold.

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]We are all in training to be a little more like Jesus every day, one day and one step at a time, and ultimately in each generation we are all being sifted and pruned to be more and more fruitful than previous generations, and will either rise to the challenges or will fall- away with the chaff.May our God empower each of us to become the blessings we have been called to become, as we would each learn to pray and obey the still small voice of Jesus with faith, grace and faithfulness in our pursuit of holiness+.

Into Jesus' love - we should all put our trust eternally,
AJCServant
John 10 & 15 & 17 & Revelation 21
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+: Holiness defined via scripture is - - "set apart for service" to "all" of mankind, and the Trinity does this without favoritism so that eventually 1 John 3:8b would be fulfilled in the earth as more "believers" would become "Holy" disciples of Jesus.][/FONT]

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Albion · May 26, 2014

FWIW, your clarifications are good to have, but it doesn't change the answer I gave before. No human is infallible, period.

However, your second point is actually so unspecific that perhaps you want to say more about that. "Always mentor holiness in their adherents?"

AJCServant · May 26, 2014

Albion said:
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]FWIW, your clarifications are good to have, but it doesn't change the answer I gave before. No human is infallible, period.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]However, your second point is actually so unspecific that perhaps you want to say more about that. "Always mentor holiness in their adherents?"[/FONT]

AJCServant said:
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. . . these simply elaborate that a convert is undergoing a "visible" change from the norm.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]So that even a novice can “infallibly” promote the gospel, due to their visible change from the norm.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Because the gospel is a simple message that oftentimes children can promote [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]infallibly[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] in ways . . . [/FONT]

that would infallibly kindle holiness from a receptive person with a “good” heart.

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Hi all,[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In response to the above post, sometimes our understanding of another person's semantics is fallible and we need to communicate further via a post like this one.

Albeit as evidenced from the “second” definitions given below whenever this [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]“second” [/FONT]definition would be applied to an “infallible” teaching or doctrine- from- God versus a doctrine- of- men, ones doctrine being “infallible” is in God's view “consistently” possible for any one of us whenever we would “promote” the good-news-gospel to others under the Christ-like anointing of His Holy Spirit.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Which “always” occurs when we ourselves are truly “converting” and being salt and light for our culture, which would show itself as a visible change from the norm.[/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]in·fal·li·ble[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]adjective[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] \(&#716in-ˈfa-lə-bəl\ [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: not capable of being wrong or making mistakes : not fallible[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: certain to work properly or succeed[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Full Definition of [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]INFALLIBLE[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]:[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] incapable of error [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]:[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] unerring <an [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]infallible[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] memory> [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]not liable to mislead, deceive, or disappoint [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]:[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] certain <an [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]infallible[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] remedy> [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]3[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]:[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] incapable of error in defining doctrines touching faith or morals [/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]So the good news “Gospel of the Kingdom” or the “Gospel of Christ Jesus” or the “Gospel of God” are each always about mentoring loving-holiness and good eternal-life choices into our fallen world, which would then bear eternal fruit in the building up of Jesus' inheritances as they would make better choices tomorrow than they did yesterday, because of ones contagious love for God and others.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]This would imply that those that had heard a “doctrine- of- God” from a “converting” person would then themselves begin on a path of their own conversion, even though as easily beguiled prodigal or seduce-able humans we oftentimes stray off that path, and sometimes turn backwards for a season, but this is where more “evangelists” like you and me are direly needed within our culture to encourage us all down the straight and narrow towards developing the virtues
[*] that Jesus wishes us to have matured “into” whenever we would see Him face to face.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]So my point being is that any converted person may never be omniscient or inerrant in their “theological” views, but can always be “infallible” in their presentation of the good news of God's eternal and immeasurable love for sinners and for our fallen world as John 3:17 and all other “holy” scripture inerrantly teaches.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]So the hope of this thread is to encourage holiness amongst those who would read and understand the definition of holiness presented below, especially during this last pivotal hour before Jesus will soon reveal His glory through the clouds for all to see.[/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]We are all in training to be a little more like Jesus every day, one day and one step at a time, and ultimately in each generation we are all being “sifted” and “pruned” to be more and more fruitful than previous generations, and will either rise to the challenges or will fall- away with the chaff. May our God empower each of us to “become” the “blessings” we have been “called” to become, as we would each learn to pray and obey the still small voice of Jesus with faith, grace and faithfulness in our pursuit of holiness+.

Into Jesus' love - we should all put our trust eternally,
AJCServant
John 10 & 15 & 17 & Revelation 21
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+: Holiness defined via scripture is - - "set apart for service" to "all" of mankind, and the Trinity does this without favoritism so that eventually 1 John 3:8b would be fulfilled in the earth as more "believers" would become "Holy" disciples of Jesus.][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][*: 2Peter 1:4-11 (AKJV) - - [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6 and to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7 and to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. 8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the "knowledge" of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11 for so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.][/FONT]

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AJCServant · Jun 2, 2014

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PPS - Any further "edifying", "wholesome" and helpful comments anyone?

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