Just wondering if Islam is a pagan religion AND if/when some "Christian" groups are?

AJCServant · May 24, 2014

Just wondering if/when some groups within Islam are a pagan religion AND if/when some "Christian" groups are?

Originally Posted by SolomonVII

According to Open Doors, 100 million Christians in 65 countries are being persecuted.
Radical Muslims are the main perpetrators in 36 of these countries.
What would it even mean then, to say that we are of the same God?
How can Satan out Satan; nay, how can God cast out God?

Originally Posted by Keachian

The persecution of Christians by Muslims is demanded by their view of our religion being Shirk, especially when the Christians under persecution used to be Muslim, some radical sects of Islam believe that the natural religion of all men is Islam and so anyone who is not a Muslim has committed Shirk and the retribution for Shirk is death. This in no way invalidates that Islam is an Abrahamic religion or that the Muslim can rightfully say that their God is the God of Abraham, we would say that they err in how they understand God and would probably also consider them having committed Shirk by following the wrong understanding, however we don't have room in our religion "these-days" to demand death for Shirk.
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Hi all,

In continuing with a thought from a previous thread, I also had the thoughts below that I felt "might" someday "encourage" some others with good-hearts that may soon need encouragement to rise up and stand against the Mystery Babylons that Beelzebub has set up within "all" of our religions in our world today.

The persecution of many Christians by other "Christians" is also "demanded" by their own view of our religion, especially when the Christians under persecution used to be sinners, as Paul and everyone was at one time or other, and their "universalist" views to work and mentor anyone with a good heart into a "godly" walk via an accurate understanding of the eternal nature and character and vision of the Trinity are now much more radical than a particular "mindset" in a particular Mystery Babylon cultural group. Some radical sects of Christianity believe that the natural religion of all men is their own particular viewpoint they have been taught by men et.al. rather than by God's Comforting Spirit; And so anyone who does not promote the same views that were taught by their mentors have committed heresy or blasphemy. For which these teachers "righteously" feel the "Biblical" retribution for heresy as blasphemy "should- be" death. (e.g. similar to how M.Servetus was "excommunicated" by J.Calvin for his (?)erred(?) views.) This in no way invalidates that the novice-seekers new-found "heretical" views are founded in an Abrahamic religion and a personal relationship with the Lord Christ Jesus, or that the new believer could rightfully say that their God is the God of Abraham; albeit their elder-teachers would say that they err in how they "view" God, and would probably also slander these newly converted "universalist" converts to a novice by saying they have committed "heresy" or "blasphemy" by voicing their wrong "understanding" to others. However we "should" have never had room in our Christian religion to demand death for heresy or blasphemy, since we "should" have been enlightened by God's Spirit that the original tenant of Moses, prior to the scriptures being added to and rewritten by wayward scribes before during and after the Babylonian exile, was that if anyone was guilty of "blasphemy" (i.e. slander) against the prudence and righteousness and longevity that God's Holy Spirit would promote, they should be cut-off-excommunicated until repentance was obvious for their slanders, but should NOT have ever been "stoned", as the rewritten scriptures had promoted into the Hebrew culture of 70AD.

Jesus Himself "corrected" this slanderous addition to the scriptures, (that was "obviously" never promoted by Moses), by His own teachings whenever He was accused of blasphemy, (albeit the scribes were the true blasphemers), as well as concerning being stoned for "working" on the Sabbath day or for someone being "seduced" by Beelzebub's minions to commit an act of adultery. But few will uphold the simple truth of this view of the "obvious" errant fallibility of today's rewritten scriptures within our own generation's Mystery Babylon churches of today, for fear of ever being tagged with the label of having been "excommunicated" for ones views. Which is eerily similar to how the Hebrews of 70AD were also in fear of being excommunicated. (e.g. similar to how M.Servetus was "excommunicated" by J.Calvin for his (?)erred(?) views.) At which time in 70AD the "believing" Hebrews had continually hardened their heart against speaking-out to promote the "obvious" truth about the eternal nature and character and "vision" of our "Holy" God, and subsequently stiffened their necks towards "doing" His righteous will and ways, and towards "becoming" the "holy" [+] "peacemakers" and "reconcilers" that His chosen people as salt and light were "supposed" to become in their own "pivotal" generation.

The end result was that most of the prodigal Hebrew culture continued to attend their "required" ritualistic festival gatherings even while the Roman armies continually encircled Jerusalem after seven (7) years of war. So sad the Hebrews were so so blinded to the destructions their errs were about to cause within their culture, which was due to their own "insensitivity" towards "how" God's Spirit was continually working throughout the earth AND within their own culture without favoritism with all of "His" might by being holy [+] in His nature, and their "reciprocating" by working in concert with "His" Holy Spirit with all of "their" heart, mind, soul and might with enough virtue and courage that would "dramatically" change their culture for the better.

So that it would cease to execute-stone sinners for being "seduced" to sin against God's prudent will for their lives, and their conversion-repentance to become lovingly holy [+] towards "all" men could then triumph
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Due to the work of The Devil Beelzebub and his minions these same religious/ political cult influences that occurred prior to the holocaust of 70AD has oftentimes happened in a more subtle way within many American Churches today, which was why the Holy Spirit compelled to me to write my first post about: [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Why[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]" Revelation was "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]initially[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]" written during Nero's reign before 70AD.[/FONT]

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God forbid that our own culture would not very "soon" repent of its own apostasy towards the good-news-gospel of Christ Jesus i.e. the Anointed Savior, and rise up and slay the giants that the Beast Beelzebub has set up within our own culture's Mystery Babylon communities.[/FONT]

[*: Whereby "mercy 'could' triumph over 'impending' judgements", i.e. James 2:13 - - Because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. [Albeit] mercy triumphs over judgment. ...]

[+: Holiness defined via scripture is - - "set apart for service" to "all" of mankind, and the Trinity does this without favoritism so that eventually 1 John 3:8b would be fulfilled in the earth as more "believers" would become "HOLY" disciples of Jesus.][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Originally Posted by AJCServant

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]So I encourage you to "worship" God with your life and He will make His presence known in a deeper more relational and covenantal way every day you will be in His service during your short sojourn here.

I hope I have encouraged some of you a little today and whoever might someday read this post in the future.

God bless.

Into Jesus' love - we should "all" put our trust eternally,
AJCServant
John 10 & 15 & 17 & Revelation 21
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*: Colossians 1:20 - - And, having made peace through the blood of His cross, by Him to reconcile all things unto Himself; by Him, I say, whether they be things in earth, OR things in heaven.

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.

Marana tha, INSHALLAH, Amen.

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Keachian · May 24, 2014

This thread is as silly as the one you split it from, you are working with a malformed definition of 'pagan' the closest we can say about a 'Christian' group to what you are asking is identifying Mormonism as a non-Abrahamic religion as it has a completely different conception of God relegating him to the creation as opposed to being uncreated.

AJCServant · May 24, 2014

Keachian said:
This thread is as silly as the one you split it from, you are working with a malformed definition of 'pagan' the closest we can say about a 'Christian' group to what you are asking is identifying Mormonism as a non-Abrahamic religion as it has a completely different conception of God relegating him to the creation as opposed to being uncreated.

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Hi all,
and Hi Keachian,

Perhaps "Pagan" was a silly use of the word in this venue. We "all" miss the mark and ere sometimes. Yet if the goal is to "strive" to be holy as God is and to bear only good fruit from one's further efforts, those further efforts should become our eternal testimony and inheritances when we are finished here and graduate upward.

I likely should edit and use a synonym like "idolatrous" or "heathen" instead of "pagan", but to me these words conveyed very similar meanings.

Perhaps I will someday edit the original post if the word "Pagan" would be considered "offensive" to anyone here, but hopefully this apology will suffice.

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pa·gan

(n.) One who worships false gods; an idolater; a heathen; one who is neither a Christian, a Mohammedan, nor a Jew.
(n.) Of or pertaining to pagans; relating to the worship or the worshipers of false goods; heathen; idolatrous, as, pagan tribes or superstitions.

synonyms: heathen, infidel, idolater

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]God bless.

Into Jesus' love - we should "all" put our trust eternally,
AJCServant
John 10 & 15 & 17 & Revelation 21
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The following scriptures are rightly divided by those whose hearts are not hardened by sin.

Isaiah 55:8-9 - - "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the LORD. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts."

1 John 4:8 - - He one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

If any souls are ever "confused" about the nature and character and efforts of our Shekhinah God in our behalf to eventually see the works of the Devil Beelzebub annihilated in our world, I would admonish them to pray and obey and they will "see" and be "converted".

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When everyone of us "Christians" would all quit feeding "The Beast" mentioned in "The Book of Revelation", that Beelzebub has set up within our world, it will crumple and fall to ashes.

This is Jesus' hope for us all during this pivotal hour.

Marana tha.

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I only wish to see Jesus glorified and the gates or hell and the works of Beelzebub annihilated during this pivotal hour. [1John 3:8b]

God bless you.

Into Jesus love - we should all put our trust eternally,
AJCServant
John 10 & 15 & 17 & Revelation 21
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Albion · May 24, 2014

They are similar terms, but because Islam is largely copied from Judaism and Christianity, the term usually isn't applied in this case.

drjean · May 24, 2014

Pagan? Hmmm I would think the current proper term is apostasy...what do you think?

The most recent "Christian" group now is Chrislam... it was formed and fed by Rick Warren, whom everyone thinks is a wonderful Christian, and it removed the crosses from the churches, the podiums, the words Son of God in Arabic etc "Bibles" (this was done by 3 of the top Bible publishers) and celebrates all the "similarities" of Islam and Christianity. Now that's apostasy!

Anything that perverts the Word of God is apostasy. But before one can judge they have to know the Word of God--the Holy Bible. And it helps to realize that before Christ was crucified and resurrected that he preached the old covenant to the Jews only (except for the two Gentiles with great faith--the woman and the Centurian). After His resurrection He instituted the New Covenant of grace and extended it to Gentiles as well.

Regarding Islam, of course it stems back to Sarah's sin of disbelief and Ishmael etc., but mohammed was illiterate and only was taught by Jewish / Hebrew followers (which is why the beginning of the q'ran is peaceful) but then he went off on his own (which is why there's all the hatred of infidels and perversion of God's Word vs Allah) for the rest of it.

Albion · May 24, 2014

To be an apostate, however, it's necessary to have been a Christian and then gave it up.

drjean said:
Pagan? Hmmm I would think the current proper term is apostasy...what do you think?

The most recent "Christian" group now is Chrislam... it was formed and fed by Rick Warren, whom everyone thinks is a wonderful Christian, and it removed the crosses from the churches, the podiums, the words Son of God in Arabic etc "Bibles" (this was done by 3 of the top Bible publishers) and celebrates all the "similarities" of Islam and Christianity. Now that's apostasy!

Anything that perverts the Word of God is apostasy. But before one can judge they have to know the Word of God--the Holy Bible. And it helps to realize that before Christ was crucified and resurrected that he preached the old covenant to the Jews only (except for the two Gentiles with great faith--the woman and the Centurian). After His resurrection He instituted the New Covenant of grace and extended it to Gentiles as well.

Regarding Islam, of course it stems back to Sarah's sin of disbelief and Ishmael etc., but mohammed was illiterate and only was taught by Jewish / Hebrew followers (which is why the beginning of the q'ran is peaceful) but then he went off on his own (which is why there's all the hatred of infidels and perversion of God's Word vs Allah) for the rest of it.

AJCServant · May 26, 2014

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drjean said:
The most recent "Christian" group now is Chrislam . . . it was formed and fed by Rick Warren, whom everyone thinks is a wonderful Christian, and it . . .

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Hi all,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and Hi DrJean,[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I sincerely appreciated “some” of what you mentioned that was very appropriate and very poignant.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Albeit, some of what you said is a learning-opportunity that for everyone's sake who would ever read this thread I hope to help you towards correcting your “words” towards a particular individual you mentioned via the use of my original post.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Gossip-slander is a terrible terrible thing, especially towards many men who are truly striving to be holy and to love God with all their heart, mind, soul and strength.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the further consequence of this grievous sin that can only be resolved with ones repentance and “restitution”, as occurred with Paul, before one would again be accepted into Heaven's beloved, since Jesus said “forgiveness” is not appropriate for this grievous a sin.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]May we all strive to “truly” love God with our all, and evil-non-edifying-slanders will be eliminated in the earth along with all the works of the devil that only cause unfocused “confusion” and thereby steal, kill and destroy Jesus' inheritances within our fallen world.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For those with ears to hear and hearts that can receive it, let me start with a definition and end with scriptures. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]BTW - My view of the scripture Matthew 18:15 that is given below is that if this was a “private” matter that was not yet known to any others, it should be first discussed privately, but since it is a public matter it should be discussed in the same public forum it was brought up in.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Paul did this to Peter's err when he was becoming a Judaizer for a short season. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]BTW - Peter repented openly before others when he was “confronted”. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]May we “all” have the similar character of Peter to “openly” repent of our own sins before God and man.[/FONT]

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slan·der
ˈslandər/

noun
Law
noun: slander

1. the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation. A false and malicious spoken statement.

Synonyms:
defamation (of character), character assassination, calumny, libel; More - - scandalmongering, malicious gossip, disparagement, denigration, aspersions, vilification, traducement, obloquy;
lie, slur, smear, false accusation;
informal mudslinging, bad-mouthing, smack talk;
archaic contumely
"he could sue us for slander"

verb
verb: slander; 3rd person present: slanders; past tense: slandered; past participle: slandered; gerund or present participle: slandering

1. make false and damaging statements about (someone).

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Proverbs 6:16-19 (AKJV)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]16 These six things doth the Lord hate:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]yea, seven are an abomination unto him:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]17 a proud look, a lying tongue,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and hands that shed innocent blood,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]18 an heart that deviseth wicked imaginations,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]feet that be swift in running to mischief,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]19 a false witness that speaketh lies,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and he that soweth discord among brethren.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Leviticus 19:17-18 (AKJV)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. 18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Matthew 18:15-18 (AKJV)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. 18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. [/FONT]

1 Corinthians 5:11 (NIV)
But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

Colossians 3:8 (NIV)
But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.

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So DrJean, as seen via my own words I pray that you would clarify and also retract some of what you said via your post.

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I hope I have en-couraged “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]some[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” of you a little today and whoever might someday read this post into the future, to love our Shekhinah God with “all” of your heart, mind, soul and strength; so that the works of the devil would “soon” become obliterated [+] in our world via Jesus' soon appearing, after the Day-Star would arise previously within many people's hearts, and the subsequent transformations of our thoughts and views and words that would rapidly occur after that “glorious” event.
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God bless.

Into Jesus' love - we should "all" put our trust eternally,
AJCServant
John 10 & 15 & 17 & Revelation 21
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[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]*: Colossians 1:20 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] And, having made peace through the blood of His cross, by Him to reconcile all things unto Himself; by Him, I say, whether they be things in earth, OR things in heaven.
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AJCServant · Jun 2, 2014

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<>PS There are several key scriptures that continually govern my thoughts, hopes and prayers for these threads, of which some are given below:[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]John [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]8:31-32[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]- - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]To the Judeans who had believed him, Jesus said, [/FONT]“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]If you [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]hold to my teaching[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], you are really my disciples. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].”[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Timothy[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]3:16-17[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]- - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]All ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Holy[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]) scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: that the man of God may become perfect ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]mature[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]), [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]thoroughly furnished unto all [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]good works[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Timothy [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2:15-16[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]- - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]a workman that needeth not to be ashamed[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]rightly dividing the word of truth.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]16 But [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]shun[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ungodliness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. (KJV) (ESV) 16 But [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]avoid[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ungodliness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Titus 2:13[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]- - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Looking for that [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]blessed hope[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], and the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]glorious [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]i.e. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]fruitful[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]) [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Peter [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]3:10&18[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]- - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. . . . Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]error [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]of the lawless [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ones [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and fall from your secure position[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But grow in the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]grace[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] and [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]knowledge[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.[/FONT]

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"the grace of God always co-operates with our will for its advantage, and in all things assists, protects, and defends it" -- John Cassian, Conference 13
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"What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but do not have works? Can faith save you?"
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Answer: No. Faith alone can not save you.

"A person is justified by works and not by faith alone."
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Now He that raised Him from the dead will raise us also; IF we do His will and walk in His commandments and love the things which He loved, abstaining from all unrighteousness, covetousness, love of money, evil speaking, false witness; not rendering evil for evil or railing for railing or blow for blow or cursing for cursing; -Polycarp

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"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot the missionary.

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Matthew 4:19 - - Come, follow me, Jesus said, and I will send you out to fish for men.

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MKJ · Jun 2, 2014

If you want to use a fairly good academics definition of paganism, you would only really apply it to classical religion, so Greeks, Romans, and maybe a few others.

Some people might use it for all forms of natural religion, especially if it is polytheistic.

But it has never just meant "non-christian".

A heterodox twisting of Christianity would be a heretical sect - so something like Mormonism say. Islam was considered a heretical sect by some when it first appeared, but is large enough and exists entirely on its own terms apart from Christianity, so it would be better today to call it a heretical Abrahamic religion - as is modern Judaism for that matter.

I don't know why you are so obsessed with labeling things as pagan. Who cares?

AJCServant · Jun 2, 2014

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A more lengthy response to the above post should be forthcoming.
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For those who have not read any of them, each of my threads including this original post have been for one (1) purpose, which is to promote holiness [+] that would reduce sufferings resulting from our corporate ignorance to the eternal- vision, nature, character and infinite love of the Trinity of God; and especially His eternal vision for us "all" in spite of this veil of tears we are all "enduring" due to the Chief Prince Beelzebub's wiles working in concert with Gog and Magog and their many many minions.
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[/FONT][*: Ezekiel 28:18]

[+: Holiness defined via scripture is - - "set apart for service" to "all" of mankind, and the Trinity does this without favoritism so that eventually 1John 3:8b would be fulfilled in the earth as more "believers" would become "HOLY" disciples of Jesus.]

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My fear for our wayward "Christian" cultures is that we would be severely chastened in these last days, as scripture fortells "could" occur IF repentance does not occur concerning the obviousness of ones hardened hearts towards other cultures, who have been falsely-slandered via the writings and teachings of non-born-again non-converted and fallible scribes and teachers. And due to ones stiff-neck to be "unwilling" to repent from their "obvious" errs after the Holy Spirit enlightened these scribes and teachers of their erred ways. God will forever be perfectly righteous in His ways of eternal justice towards each of His children in order that James 2:13 would soon be fulfilled for each of us. [#]

Even so the ultimate goal of our Eternally Loving Creator, who is warring in our behalf against the devil's wiles, is for Him to be glorified by the "continual" repentance and eternal conversion of each of His children, as Paul was our example, towards being "fruitful" hope-bearing ambassadors towards "all" of His inheritances world wide. In order that all would be born-again to begin-again to train up His many many children wherein His Spirit might someday continually choose to reside.

[#: Luke 12:47 & James 4:7][/FONT]

http://biblehub.com/luke/12-47.htm

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