Why does Paganism scare Christians?

TheImmaculateSlaveOfGod said:

What are the perceptions you have on the Neo-Paganism movement?

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That it is rooted in the terrible scholarship of Leland and Murray, the deviant sexual proclivities of Gardner, the Hermetic ritual magic that Crowley brought it out of Freemasonry, and the abundance of nylon-wearing playgans who spout on about "gaia" and "nature" whilst wearing clothes that will take millennia to rot but who spit blood at the thought of wearing fur.

Did I miss anything out?

Inkfingers said:

That it is rooted in the terrible scholarship of Leland and Murray, the deviant sexual proclivities of Gardner, the Hermetic ritual magic that Crowley brought it out of Freemasonry, and the abundance of nylon-wearing playgans who spout on about "gaia" and "nature" whilst wearing clothes that will take millennia to rot but who spit blood at the thought of wearing fur.

Did I miss anything out?

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Apart from the ad-hom bit I would tend to agree from what I have discovered recently.

Inkfingers said:

That it is rooted in the terrible scholarship of Leland and Murray, the deviant sexual proclivities of Gardner, the Hermetic ritual magic that Crowley brought it out of Freemasonry, and the abundance of nylon-wearing playgans who spout on about "gaia" and "nature" whilst wearing clothes that will take millennia to rot but who spit blood at the thought of wearing fur.

Did I miss anything out?

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ContraMundum said:

Apart from the ad-hom bit I would tend to agree from what I have discovered recently.

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Have either of you considered that making broad generalizations about members of a religion based on stereotypes of that religion might not be the best way to interact with the real men and women who are members of that faith?

I'd like to point out that you've also conflated Gardnerian Wicca with the entirety of Neo-Paganism with your references to Leland, Murray, Gardner, and Crowley.

ContraMundum said:

Is Baha'i a recognized religion for legal purposes?

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No, but neither is Christianity. The United States does not define what is or is not a legal religion. There is no legal requirement.

The government isn't in the business of determining which religions receive first amendment protections, and which do not. All religions do.

theophilus777 said:

I realize you may prefer to constantly move the goalposts, but let's take them one at a time instead. You made a claim, I addressed that. Christian resistance to the idea is not due so much to your claim, but to this idea that marriage is a blessing bestowed by God. And even you as an atheist married via JoP inherit that Blessing.

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So god endorses the marriages of two people who actively deny his existence and do not include him in any part of the marriage at any time but he doesn't endorse (according to you) any marriage if the couple is of the same gender, even if they are Christians? Well I won't get in trouble with the mods by telling what I think about that.

What you have in the gay legal action to insist on marriage is as classic a definition of ramming down your throat as is possible. What makes you think this will advance any causes, or do anything other than stir up trouble? Its a strategy guaranteed to do exactly that. What makes that a good idea?

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It secures the same rights, benefits, and privileges for same sex couples as heterosexual couples. Those couples being tax paying, American citizens.

Why mess with that? Aren't Court records clearer? How many people do you think your tactics represent? How many people do you think will be duped by such things?

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Haha. No, it court the arguments are typically tame and political (which is why they keep losing). Outside of court, we have countless audio and video of Christians saying how same sex marriage will destroy civilization, how gay people are diseased and possessed by demons and are all pedophiles who want to recruit children. They blame storms and mass shootings on gay people just because they exist.

No, you're being completely unreasonable. Let me count the ways ... OTOH, forget it.

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It's a very easy question, and I find it interesting that you continue to dodge it.

Sorry Bub but you're completely wet behind the ears. What else could I expect from a duck? If you can't think before you write, you're just too boring.

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I'll just leave that here...you know, for the record.

ContraMundum said:

God Blesses even non-believer marriages. Just like He causes the rain to fall on both the righteous and the wicked. He loves you regardless.

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Then what's the problem?

You seem to be contradicting yourself here, unless I am mistaken- or don't get your points or the laws you live under.

You have all the rights your civil union (or "marriage" - a primarily religious term) bestows and yet you don't feel equal? While there might be a formal distinction (the term "marriage" vs "civil union") there is no material distinction (eg. the same civil and legal rights apply to both), so why all the complaining?

Am I missing something?

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To clarify, I'm a heterosexual male and my wife is a heterosexual female. I'm arguing that civil unions are not equivalent to civil marriage. There are still many differences and we all remember how "separate but equal" worked out.

morningstar2651 said:

Have either of you considered that making broad generalizations about members of a religion based on stereotypes of that religion might not be the best way to interact with the real men and women who are members of that faith?

I'd like to point out that you've also conflated Gardnerian Wicca with the entirety of Neo-Paganism with your references to Leland, Murray, Gardner, and Crowley.

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Much of Neo-paganism sprang from Gardner, and thus Wicca, with the whole "calling the quarters" elemental magic circle phenomenon being something from Crowley. It has nothing to do with the magical and religious traditions of northern european countries, but is treated as if its what our ancestors would have done.

So I've not conflated anything. I've simple recognised the 'heritage' of Neo-paganism. The only one that does not fit this pattern is Germanic paganism (Asatru) which seeks to draw on its historic roots rather than the garbled mishmash that came out of Crowley's and Gardner's sexual depravity.

TheImmaculateSlaveOfGod said:

Yeah, that stuff sounds really really gross. I am an asexual so I will be staying as far away from that stuff as possible.

Sprinkle a little bit of pepper on them and they may taste good haha

Sure.

LaVeyan Satanism, biggest troll religion for an atheist. How on earth can you be a LaVeyan Satanist? This really makes me doubt that you know anything. Considering that LaVey was an atheist(anti-theist) I find it ludicrous that you were a practitioner of it.

FYI, I am a Satanist I just like to use the term pagan because it sounds more friendly. All religions are essentially pagan so I prefer to use the term pagan so I won't lie to myself. But yeah, I am a Luciferian Satanist

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Why and on what principle are you a Satanist?

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