the GIFT of tongues

michaelmynameIs said:

I enjoy looking at Daniel and the writing on the wall.

mene, mene, tekel, parsin.

so the mockers would call that babble....
yet see how Single phrase of this unknown tongue
is so FULL of interpretive meaning..

Mene: God has numbered the days of your reign and brought it to an end.

Tekel: You have been weighed on the scales and found wanting.

Peres: Your kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians.
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4 little words written by the spirit
interpret into 30+ words with absolute authoritative meaning...

be encouraged every one.. pray in the spirit and don't be hindered by a naysayer...

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Yes, years ago I read a teaching about how tongues have ceased and what we have today is satanic. It was very frightening... I was discussing it on another forum and I told the person what I kept speaking ... she said she had the interpretation... it was an announcement for the King... at that time I was writing something for someone about Revelations and how the beginning chapters are written in the same form that was used when they were making a formal announcement that a King was coming into a town... after that I had no doubts. I began to listen to my own language and familiarize myself with it and have heard it from other people.

I do find it troubling that so many will risk insulting the Holy Spirit to put forth their view that it is not of God. I understand the cessationist argument and have read what J.MacArthur had to say about before he completely went off on the deep end... and I understand if someone has been in a church where they tell you its demonic tongues, that's a heavy thing to get past.

I don't understand the disrespect for other believers.... and unfortunately think J.M. has fallen off onto the dark side.

God bless, andrea

posted: no need for humans to Babble forth to get the point across.

Let’s face it - If the manifestation of speaking in tongues was a halo appeared instead, - no, that wouldn't be acceptable to some. Or if an angel appeared, well no, some folks definitely wouldn't like that either. Okay, if there was a manifestation that was acceptable to every believer - we weren't have most of these discussions about speaking in tongues.

It doesn't take very much for our image of Yahweh or our image of how believers should behave to be violated. I've seen one tear and on another occasion, one spoken amen offend.

None of the gifts have ceased.

spiritandtruth2 said:

Surely true followers of Jesus Christ should speak from their hearts and minds, not with babbling that they or others do not understand.

Christians should use speech that will reach the mind and heart, so that those hearing will be able to say, not because of sensationalism or from mere emotion, but intelligently, “God is really among you." 1Cor. 14:24, 25.

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So praying in silent is offensive to you or a waste of time if no one else can hear? Bc praying in tongues allows us to pray God's will and not our own. Why does God want us to pray at all, He already knows what we need? Must have something to do with obedience and edification.Would you be obedient enough to pray in tongues if the Lord asks. Would you be willing to pray out loud in church if the lord prompted you.... guess not huh?

Andrea411 said:

Is it your interpretation that the bible is the "perfect" that is being spoken of in this scripture?

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Just perfect, the Bible speaks volumes, we don't have to listen to people speaking in tongues for getting insight into the scriptures.


Psalm 19:7-8

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

7 The law of the Lord is [a]perfect, restoring the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.
8 The precepts of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart;
The commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.

2 Timothy 3:16-17

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

16 All Scripture is [a]inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

About two months I went to a "youth" all-day fasting service and it was absolutely precious. I say "youth" because only about 5 youths and 3 adults showed up so, yeah, there were about 8 of us.

It was beautiful. We were in praise and worship and the music stopped and everything but there was just this urgency in the air to keep praising and after a while we were all just speaking in tounges. Some were at the altar, others on their knees at their seat, others standing, but everyone was speaking in tounges. I just remember that day the presence was so strong, the air literally felt thick. I kept thinking of when Solomon was dedicating the temple and when the presence of the Lord descended they couldn't even minister . . . that's how it felt. We were all just in this state of intense spiritual worship, crying praising and speaking in tounges.

It was beautiful, and something everyone should experience. If you don't have the gift of tounges, beg God for it, it's available for you and the power it has on your life is amazing.

They the Apostles did not teach them because of the tongues they received. The did not understand the language they had received. Those who did hear their own language spokin by the apostle understood. There was no teaching, they simply heard the apostles giving praises to God in their language, which the apsostles had never learned. You seem to have no comprehension of what this gift is or what it is for. I would suggest a total reading of the NT, you continue to miss the message, and continue to debate on a thing that you are clueless to.

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I am sorry that you are unable to understand the power of God within you, Jesus born within YOU!!! It is wonderful... and there are no words to describe the glory and majesty of our Lord and Savior, no language that holds His beauty. No words that can do Him justice and sadly, you haven't understood that.... only a heart, speaking with an unknown tongue can express the riches of our love for our Lord.
IDK why some people don't get this gift, I don't like to compare bc the Lord gives for His own reasons. Maybe I am a weaker vessel and in need of more edification than you. But I consider myself most fortunate to have this gift. The Lord had told me to not use it was as if I was laying the weapons of my warfare down. He has given this to me to strengthen me and I have been told to use it and for no one to forbid it... but this can only be understood by someone who is filled with the Spirit....

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I used to go to a church where people talked just like you. That church had some nice, godly people there, but let me tell you, that church had no new permanent members the whole time I was there. There were no healings, no miracles like the first century church experienced through the power of the Holy Ghost (God doesn't change right?) You know why none of these things occurred? That church lacked POWER and ANOINTING because instead of taking into account the scriptures on spiritual gifts they instead continued to blindly follow the traditions of their forefathers. Because they never saw them, never understood them and never experienced them, they reject spiritual gifts as heresy.

Do you not see what's happening in this debate? We accept and cherish the verses you are throwing at us as beautiful manifestations of the Spirit in the Bible. We love the Word, we want more of it and we want ALL of it. You, on the other hand, reject what we're saying to you and place a big ole hand over all the verses we're showing you as if they didn't exist. Newsflash: Pentecostals use the same Bible as all other Christians. We speak in tounges, gibberish no one understands, because if you look down at your Bible in 1 Corinthians it will tell you that yes people filled with the Holy Spirit can do that! The Bible calls utterances in tounges MYSTERIES that only God understands! It's so simple - it sounds like gibberish because it is gibberish. In the spirit he who speaks in tounges speaketh MYSTERIES.

Please, stop covering so many important Bible verses with your hand and pretending they don't exist!!! Pray to God you can understand them!

posted: not having a wonderful experience. Get the point?

There's a lack of understanding about the process and the gift.

Prefer to put my energies in another direction - Great testimony, FuegoPentecostes. Thanks for post 40 particularly.

That's not what this thread is about.

Tongues
Andrew Wommack has a great message on this:
http://downloads.awmi.net/teaching/awm_1078b_tongues.mp3

Mahesh Chavda is an outstanding author and I highly respect what he writes. I have not read this book but it's on my Amazon wish list.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005SZ449U...TF8&colid=1KN7JYF45HNS9&coliid=I2FPMMWX0V8NPH

by the way, I have over 50 books on my wish list. And what book do I read next. For answers like these I will pray in tongues and the answer that comes to mind could be the Holy Spirit. After testing these answers I will go with them.

michaelmynameIs said:

But what think you....
Is there a trend making it "Untrendy" to encourage seeking this (and all) gift.??

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Getting back to the point. Why not start your own trend of promoting the gifts of the Spirit especially tongues. I think the best way to to do this is by presenting clear Bible study and giving positive testimony of how God directs and helps you by speaking in tongues.

spiritandtruth2 said:

So listening to what you are saying when you say submitting to the Holy Spirit and allowing Him to pray through you, you also think the Holy Spirit is a person?

Can you explain why would the Holy Spirit want to pray through us in a language no one can understand, what would be the point of that?

Confusion is not what the Holy Spirit promotes is it?

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It doesn't confuse us... when you get it, the Holy Spirit gives you the peace that passes understanding. I could come back at you and ask Why? on everything the lord gives. Why the gift of healing? Why doesn't God just do it? Why doesn't everyone? Why does He allow us to get sick if He is going to heal us... why pray He already knows what we need..... you see... why is not a conversation.
The scriptures say you will pray for your own edification and NO MAN can understand bc you speak the mysteries of God... WHY? I simply am not God... IDK. I do it and I am grateful for the gift. It allows me to pray for people I don't know, when I pray, that is what I ask, Lord pray for them bc I don't know what they need or what is best... it is to build up the inner man. What is the inner man... we know its to do with our spirit... but exactly what that is IDK. I do it out of obedience to His word and that is why you should too. Paul gave a lot of instruction on it. Obviously for a reason. I tell you the truth. It is a language, it is not gibberish... which would be random sounds. There are words and phrases I recognize every time I pray... and of course some I won't recognize but it's a very familiar language to the person who prays.

If you heard someone speak Chinese it too would sound like gibberish but it is not. Honestly, I know this for certain, I really suggest you ask the Lord to Baptize you in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of tongues... wait on Him and then open your mouth and allow the Holy Spirit to pray for you.
I know many people whose lives were really changed... their walk in the Lord deepened, bc with the Baptism comes a heart for God and the desire to praise and share Him.
God bless, andrea

spiritandtruth2 said:

So listening to what you are saying when you say submitting to the Holy Spirit and allowing Him to pray through you, you also think the Holy Spirit is a person?

Can you explain why would the Holy Spirit want to pray through us in a language no one can understand, what would be the point of that?

Confusion is not what the Holy Spirit promotes is it?

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The Holy Spirit is indeed a person.

The reasons for praying in tongues are laid out in the New Testament.