Do Conservatives Have Any Empathy At All?

PreachersWife2004 said:

#racialdesperation

No it doesn't, actually. It just mocks the sign. I mock the sign, but it's got NOTHING to do with race. Yes, I realize Michelle is black. The mere fact that someone is black does not mean that any and all criticism towards that person is racist.

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I disagree.

It will be an OP-ED day when Coulter figures out the determination folks have about the girls:

Exactly which part of that did you disagree with? Are you saying that any criticism leveled at a black person is racist?

PreachersWife2004 said:

Exactly which part of that did you disagree with? Are you saying that any criticism leveled at a black person is racist?

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I value constructive criticism. The answer is no to your second question.

I disagree that Coulter only mocked the sign.

wintermile said:

I value constructive criticism. The answer is no to your second question.

I disagree that Coulter only mocked the sign.

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Okay, let me clarify something, because I think you're a bit confused. Yep, she mocked Michelle, too. What I was trying to say was that she wasn't making some coded racial statement to Michelle. She was just mocking the sign.

Here's what she did:



Exactly WHAT coded racial message is there in this picture?

RenegadeGhost said:

The Fascists will always accuse their opponents of being racists no matter what. It is an extremely childish and stupid game of theirs but then again...they are childish and stupid people through and through. They have no redeeming personal qualities whatsoever.

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I've read your other posts. You're not much better.

iluvatar5150 said:

Then please educate me, because I have yet to see anything of substance from you on this particular point.

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Which of these two people are displaying the most courage?

The First Lady, presenting an image she knew beforehand the Obama loyalist would instantly rally around and never waver in their support of:



Or an Army Ranger putting his image out on the internet displaying a message which would instantly place him in a hostile environment as the target of those very same Obama loyalist?



The Obama faithful do not tolerate criticism of the first couple. Two things are true about this particular Army Ranger putting his image out there. If he were not an Army Ranger nor a recipient of the CIB the Obama loyalist would have discovered that by now. Internet forums would be ablaze with denunciations of this guy by every democrat/liberal/progressive left of G. Gordon Liddy. But this particular Ranger knew that and posted his picture anyway, because the potential of being placed in a hostile environment is not a deterrent to Army Rangers. The second truth is as an Army Ranger this guy is of course the potential target of retribution through channels pushed by some Obama loyalist up the Chain. He could face discharge for exercising one of the very freedoms he has actually done something to preserve because he dared to criticize something promoted by Michelle Obama. Because the Obama faithful do not tolerate criticism of the first couple.

I have far more respect for the guy in the second picture, and would even if I hadn't served in the same type of unit. I know what he has been through and what he is risking, and he is displaying far more courage than the First Lady sporting a pouty look.

iluvatar5150 said:

You claim that the award is special; I haven't denied that. All I've said is that having a plaque on the wall doesn't prove anything, because you can buy these plaques online, just like I can buy fatigues at Goodwill. I don't know why you're so insulted by my pointing that out.

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These two situations are not equatable. Someone wearing a set of fatigue pants and someone wearing a CIB who did not earn one are no where near the same thing. One is socially acceptable, the other is punishable by law. Your suggestion the display of the CIB proved nothing was, again, only an effort to score an internet point by refusing to break from your original claim he probably wasn't really a Ranger.

iluvatar5150 said:

That's your opinion. Given that the campaign has had some measure of success; it would seem that your opinion on the weakness of this image doesn't completely jive with reality.

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Where are these girls again?

iluvatar5150 said:

Then educate me, because as far as I understand things, the military doesn't get to decide for itself when to enter a conflict.

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No, but politicians don't order the 1/75th around either. JASOC does that.

iluvatar5150 said:

If you want to argue that a hashtag campaign is stupid and juvenile, fine; that's your business. I'd point out that you can't honestly make that argument...

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Of course I can.

iluvatar5150 said:

...without also labeling every other petition and protest as stupid and juvenile, unless you can demonstrate some real, substantive difference between a hashtag campaign and these other forms of public protest. I've yet to see anyone describe that sort of substantive difference.

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Hashtag campaign:



Political protest:

iluvatar5150 said:

I would start by having him engage in an actual discussion instead of acting like he's some great oracle of military knowledge too good for the rest of us civvies...

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I know what I know, and therefore when someone who talks about it doesn't.

wintermile said:

Coulter approves of the CoCCs Statement of Principles. She even made a sign about it in her mocking biz.

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What is in the Statement of Principles of Central Oregon Community College?

wintermile said:

Using the First Lady's sign in a counterfeit manner, as Coulter did when she appealed to her own CoCC supporting audience, reeks of racial pity.

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No, it reeks of satire and mockery. And well deserved satire and mockery at that.

wintermile said:

I disagree that Coulter only mocked the sign.

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Agreed, Coulter mocked the sign, the message, and the First Lady. But as stated, all of it was well deserved.

PreachersWife2004 said:

Okay, let me clarify something, because I think you're a bit confused. Yep, she mocked Michelle, too. What I was trying to say was that she wasn't making some coded racial statement to Michelle. She was just mocking the sign.

Here's what she did:

Exactly WHAT coded racial message is there in this picture?

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I am put off by the fact that Coulter aggressively imposes an idea to the masses that the First Lady should be unapproachable and that Coulter has an approachable message with the backing of the CoCC--formally known as the White Citizens Councils.

That's the racial message in the image.

wintermile said:

I am put off by the fact that Coulter aggressively imposes an idea to the masses that the First Lady should be unapproachable...

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Wait, so the First Lady should be unapproachable? What is that supposed to mean?

wintermile said:

...and that Coulter has an approachable message with the backing of the CoCC--formally known as the White Citizens Councils.

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You should really post some link or background to this CoCC you keep citing so that we can verify the connection you are attempting to make. There was no mention of the mysterious CoCC in the sign Coulter held.

wintermile said:

That's the racial message in the image.

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I suppose we have to look really hard...

Sistrin said:

Which of these two people are displaying the most courage?

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I would argue neither one of them.

The First Lady, presenting an image she knew beforehand the Obama loyalist would instantly rally around and never waver in their support of:

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While conservatives threw a typical temper tantrum about how terrible a person she was for doing it. Including yourself.

Granted. The tantrum itself did nothing for the girls either.

Or an Army Ranger putting his image out on the internet displaying a message which would instantly place him in a hostile environment as the target of those very same Obama loyalist?

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Which Obama loyalists have targeted him? Have conservatives not rallied in his defense?

I have far more respect for the guy in the second picture, and would even if I hadn't served in the same type of unit.

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Of course you would, because he's criticizing someone you don't like.

I know what he has been through and what he is risking, and he is displaying far more courage than the First Lady sporting a pouty look.

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What is he risking by criticizing the First Lady?

Sistrin said:

Wait, so the First Lady should be unapproachable? What is that supposed to mean?



You should really post some link or background to this CoCC you keep citing so that we can verify the connection you are attempting to make. There was no mention of the mysterious CoCC in the sign Coulter held.



I suppose we have to look really hard...

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I did post a link to the CoCC. It is called Statement of Principles.

Sistrin said:

Which of these two people are displaying the most courage?

The First Lady, presenting an image she knew beforehand the Obama loyalist would instantly rally around and never waver in their support of:

Or an Army Ranger putting his image out on the internet displaying a message which would instantly place him in a hostile environment as the target of those very same Obama loyalist?

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Neither of them are displaying any courage. Your concern over this guy being placed in a "hostile environment" and being targeted by "Obama loyalists" is laughably absurd and speaks more to your own sense of paranoia and self-importance than anything. If anything, I'd worry about him being reprimanded for making political statements while representing himself as a member of the armed forces, which you happen to bring up here:

The Obama faithful do not tolerate criticism of the first couple. Two things are true about this particular Army Ranger putting his image out there. If he were not an Army Ranger nor a recipient of the CIB the Obama loyalist would have discovered that by now. Internet forums would be ablaze with denunciations of this guy by every democrat/liberal/progressive left of G. Gordon Liddy. But this particular Ranger knew that and posted his picture anyway, because the potential of being placed in a hostile environment is not a deterrent to Army Rangers.

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Goodness, your chest-beating is off the charts.

The second truth is as an Army Ranger this guy is of course the potential target of retribution through channels pushed by some Obama loyalist up the Chain. He could face discharge for exercising one of the very freedoms he has actually done something to preserve because he dared to criticize something promoted by Michelle Obama. Because the Obama faithful do not tolerate criticism of the first couple.

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If it's against the rules to publicly criticize the First Lady in this fashion (my understanding of the UCMJ is rusty, so I'll assume that this is against the rules), then what he did is not courageous; it's stupid. There was nothing noble to gain by making this statement; he was merely one dude on the internet telling off some other people on the internet. It's about as courageous as flipping off your CO.

I have far more respect for the guy in the second picture, and would even if I hadn't served in the same type of unit. I know what he has been through and what he is risking, and he is displaying far more courage than the First Lady sporting a pouty look.

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They're both sporting pouty looks. One is also trying to act like an arrogant, self-absorbed jackass.

These two situations are not equatable. Someone wearing a set of fatigue pants and someone wearing a CIB who did not earn one are no where near the same thing. One is socially acceptable, the other is punishable by law.

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Not quite. It's only illegal to wear an un-earned CIB (or any other medal) if you're attempting to profit by it (i.e. defrauding someone by claiming that you earned it). It's not illegal to just wear it around or hang it on the wall.

The Stolen Valor Act of 2005 was overturned:
Stolen Valor Act of 2005 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was replaced by the Stolen Valor Act of 2013:
Stolen Valor Act of 2013 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In that photo, he's not claiming to have won the medal or even of being a soldier. He's merely hanging a plaque on the wall.

Your suggestion the display of the CIB proved nothing was, again, only an effort to score an internet point by refusing to break from your original claim he probably wasn't really a Ranger.

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I didn't say that he "probably" wasn't a real Ranger. I said that we have no way of knowing.

Where are these girls again?

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Where was Bin Laden circa 2007?

No, but politicians don't order the 1/75th around either. JASOC does that.

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Who orders around JASOC?

Hashtag campaign:

Political protest:

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I'd always heard that the guys in the more elite military units were typically smarter and more thoughtful than your average grunt, but this argument tactic of yours isn't doing much to promote that perception. That hashtag campaign you posted was designed to sell stuff. That political protest was a bunch of signs designed to inspire politicians to act.

This bunch of signs is designed to sell things:


The Bring Back Our Girls campaign was designed to move politicians to act. They're both communication devices that can be used for a variety of purposes. I'm still failing to see what the substantive difference between them is that makes one a legitimate form of protest and the other just stupid. Perhaps if you'd used words to describe your position instead of pasting a couple pictures, I could better understand your point.

I know what I know, and therefore when someone who talks about it doesn't.

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So you like to tell everyone, but you haven't been very forthcoming when it comes to actually sharing this information beyond throwing around some acronyms here and there. It's been my experience that people who spend a lot of time claiming to posses a lot of knowledge/experience without disseminating that knowledge/experience are often guilty of inflating the amount of knowledge/experience they possess.

iluvatar5150 said:

So you like to tell everyone, but you haven't been very forthcoming when it comes to actually sharing this information beyond throwing around some acronyms here and there. It's been my experience that people who spend a lot of time claiming to posses a lot of knowledge/experience without disseminating that knowledge/experience are often guilty of inflating the amount of knowledge/experience they possess.

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I have addressed your points and made mine. What exactly is it you want me to talk about?

Sistrin said:

I have addressed your points and made mine. What exactly is it you want me to talk about?

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For one thing, you keep beating around the bush on the point of where orders ultimately come from. You've told me a couple times that I don't know how JSOC works. School me.

As an aside - I looked at the picture again and it appears that he's in some kind of office building (note the drop ceiling, florescent lighting, commercial linoleum, and what looks like a warehouse door in the background). It may not even be his plaque on the wall. It could belong to a co-workers or the boss.

iluvatar5150 said:

Goodness, your chest-beating is off the charts.

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I have thought about this comment and have to admit you got me there. I have been a bit...forceful...and it is largely a function of pride. Marines are the same way. I suppose the difference is while I was on active duty I didn't talk much at all about what we did or what we believed. There was little need as typically we were surrounded by other Rangers so it served no purpose. Time and age, I suppose, makes one nostalgic.

Anyway fair point.

I wanna hug you Sistrin.

wintermile said:

I am put off by the fact that Coulter aggressively imposes an idea to the masses that the First Lady should be unapproachable and that Coulter has an approachable message with the backing of the CoCC--formally known as the White Citizens Councils.

That's the racial message in the image.

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streeeeeeeeeeeeeetch.....

Wow. That was quite a feat. A failure, of course, but still...

Obama had the backing of Jeremiah Wright. Boy did the lefties get up in arms when anyone even slightly mentioned that he might espouse some of the teachings of this angry preacher. How the left screamed when it was suggested that Obama could possibly be racist because of his association with the reverend.

You keep stretching though. Oh, here's a ridiculous theory (yet equal to your theory): you MUST hate white women because of how you rail against Ann Coulter, a successful white woman.

PreachersWife2004 said:

streeeeeeeeeeeeeetch.....

Wow. That was quite a feat. A failure, of course, but still...

Obama had the backing of Jeremiah Wright. Boy did the lefties get up in arms when anyone even slightly mentioned that he might espouse some of the teachings of this angry preacher. How the left screamed when it was suggested that Obama could possibly be racist because of his association with the reverend.

You keep stretching though. Oh, here's a ridiculous theory (yet equal to your theory): you MUST hate white women because of how you rail against Ann Coulter, a successful white woman.

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I stand by my statement.

In the dictionary, hate is not used to define the word racial. (of, relating to, or based on race; existing or occuring between races). When Coulter made racial remarks about arabs during the chemical weapons attacks--not just the ones about death, she was asserting a racial attitude.

In replies to me, you write I must hate. I do not sneer or want ill harm done to others. I respect creation.

I wanted to add, Coulter can cool off by spending time in Lydia Cacho's and Amory Starr's research quarters.

PreachersWife2004 said:

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#ItsNot*Your*Country

ThisBrotherOfHis said:

Your Marxist "president."

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Oh, so someone that exists only in your imagination.

Gotcha.