Do Conservatives Have Any Empathy At All?

USincognito said:

Those were tweets. He is, as of right this minute, posting more gems.

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If Richard Martinez gets to blame his son's death on the NRA and what he calls "craven, irresponsible politicians," in other words, everyone who didn't shoot his son but does fall into the category of allowing a political agenda to be advanced over the back of his dead son, then guys like Joe Wurzelbacher and Todd Kincannon get to call him out on it.

Sistrin said:

If Richard Martinez gets to blame his son's death on the NRA and what he calls "craven, irresponsible politicians," in other words, everyone who didn't shoot his son but does fall into the category of allowing a political agenda to be advanced over the back of his dead son, then guys like Joe Wurzelbacher and Todd Kincannon get to call him out on it.

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Which demonstrates again the lack of empathy on the part of those offended by the man's words.



Clearly, he is distraught over the death of his son, and right now he is crying out, and lashing out. Give the man a break, if you can.

iluvatar5150 said:

I did not denigrate anyone in the military. I said that you can buy a plaque on the internet, and I provided evidence of such. That guy's displaying a plaque on the wall is no more evidence he's in the military than does my wearing a set of fatigues I picked up at Goodwill suggest that I'm in the army.

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You just keep proving my point, that in this particular instance you understand nothing of what you are talking about.

iluvatar5150 said:

For the umpteenth time, the hashtag campaign was not directed at Boko Haram; it was directed at politicians...

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As I stated before this point is completely irrelevant. When the First Lady posed for and then published that photo it sent a message to the world, not just a group of politicians. And that message was one of weakness.

iluvatar5150 said:

Related to #2, your Ranger buddies don't go anywhere unless a politician tells them to.

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You don't understand how a chain of command works nor how an organization such as JASOC conducts operations.

iluvatar5150 said:

If that politician isn't convinced about taking action, you don't get to lead the way. Er go, if that hashtag campaign moves a politician to do something, your Ranger buddies are effectively responding to it.

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I kind of like the "13 year old girl" analogy made by another member here. If a politician makes such a serious decision based on a hastag campaign, that politician is just as deficient as those who have promoted the supposed value of that hashtag campaign.

JustOneWay said:

Which demonstrates again the lack of empathy on the part of those offended by the man's words.

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Wurzelbacher expressed sympathy for Martinez's son and for the loss the family is suffering. Then he made his political comment. What you are advocating is he, and by extension everyone else, should be prohibited to make a comment in opposition to whatever Martinez says because he is grieving.

Incidentally, you know how you deal with a man who is screaming? The same way you deal with a woman who is crying. You acknowledge the source of the anguish but then keep making your point.

JustOneWay said:

Clearly, he is distraught over the death of his son, and right now he is crying out, and lashing out.

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Right. Just like Cindy Sheehan he is using the death of his son to advance a political agenda. I certainly sympathize with his loss, but that doesn't mean I am going to remain silent when he uses that loss in a disingenuous attempt to blame people who had nothing to do with his son's death.

Sistrin said:

Incidentally, you know how you deal with a man who is screaming? The same way you deal with a woman who is crying. You acknowledge the source of the anguish but then keep making your point.

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I bet crying women love being around you.

Sistrin said:

Wurzelbacher expressed sympathy for Martinez's son and for the loss the family is suffering. Then he made his political comment. What you are advocating is he, and by extension everyone else, should be prohibited to make a comment in opposition to whatever Martinez says because he is grieving.

Incidentally, you know how you deal with a man who is screaming? The same way you deal with a woman who is crying. You acknowledge the source of the anguish but then keep making your point.



Right. Just like Cindy Sheehan he is using the death of his son to advance a political agenda. I certainly sympathize with his loss, but that doesn't mean I am going to remain silent when he uses that loss in a disingenuous attempt to blame people who had nothing to do with his son's death.

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No empathy. This thread is about you.

JustOneWay said:

No empathy. This thread is about you.

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What would you have him say in this thread?

USincognito said:

TEA Partier Todd Kilcannon shows his empathy wrt the UC Santa Barbara shootings. He tweeted this after Richard Martinez spoke out about the killin of his son Christopher.

{bleep} him. He is a piece of {bleep}. His tragedy {"stinks"}, but he blamed me for it and wants to take away my rights. The guy is trying to take away my rights to protect my family. {bleep} him every day of the week and twice on Sunday.​

Then he kicked the empathy up a notch.

No idea how my son will die, but I know it won't be cowering like a {bleep} at UC Santa Barbara. Any son of mine would have been shooting back.​

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As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh.

I finally got a chance to actually read the article.

The author is bent on making this a racial issue. Thus, I can't take her seriously.

PreachersWife2004 said:

The author is bent on making this a racial issue. Thus, I can't take her seriously.

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PreachersWife2004 said:

I do believe that if it had been 100 white Christian girls kidnapped...there'd be no sign.

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You made it racial before you thought it was racial. Well done.

JustOneWay said:

You made it racial before you thought it was racial. Well done.

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True, except I didn't try to make anyone's statements to be racist when they weren't, which is what I was referring to about the author. I was not clear there, so my bad.

Statements such as:

But all Ann Coulter could see was an opportunity to launch a racially coded insult at the First Lady of the United States.

and then going on to misrepresent George Will's comment about the barbarians of Nigeria not understanding the whole hashtag thing. Here's what he says:
Are these barbarians in the wild of Nigeria are supposed to check their Twitter accounts and say, oh, Michelle Obama is very crossed with us, we better change our behavior.

and she adds in the word African and says "dissecting Will’s statement would require its own lengthy essay, but let’s just assume that by African 'barbarians,' Will is referring to the kidnappers"

I still stand by what I wrote about if it were white girls. There'd be no sign, and it would be almost non-covered in the media. But I'm not sitting here saying that Obama is racist for putting a hashtag sign up, either.

SO yeah...still not taking the article seriously. I don't think the author of the article even knows what empathy is.

PreachersWife2004 said:

True, except I didn't try to make anyone's statements to be racist when they weren't, which is what I was referring to about the author. I was not clear there, so my bad.

Statements such as:

But all Ann Coulter could see was an opportunity to launch a racially coded insult at the First Lady of the United States.

and then going on to misrepresent George Will's comment about the barbarians of Nigeria not understanding the whole hashtag thing. Here's what he says:
Are these barbarians in the wild of Nigeria are supposed to check their Twitter accounts and say, oh, Michelle Obama is very crossed with us, we better change our behavior.

and she adds in the word African and says "dissecting Will’s statement would require its own lengthy essay, but let’s just assume that by African 'barbarians,' Will is referring to the kidnappers"

I still stand by what I wrote about if it were white girls. There'd be no sign, and it would be almost non-covered in the media. But I'm not sitting here saying that Obama is racist for putting a hashtag sign up, either.

SO yeah...still not taking the article seriously. I don't think the author of the article even knows what empathy is.

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About KCW's statements, I haven't heard Coulter denounce the CoCC. She is a columnist at the CoCC. The CoCC has, reportedly, advertised on her sites. KCW was tactful when she classified Coulter.

Statement of Principles

wintermile said:

About KCW's statements, I haven't heard Coulter denounce the CoCC. She is a columnist at the CoCC. The CoCC has, reportedly, advertised on her sites. KCW was tactful when she classified Coulter.

Statement of Principles

"We also oppose all efforts to mix the races of mankind, to promote non-white races over the European-American people through so-called “affirmative action” and similar measures, to destroy or denigrate the European-American heritage, including the heritage of the Southern people, and to force the integration of the races."
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But this has nothing to do with KCW saying Coulter was sending a coded racial message to Michelle.

Coulter doesn't use code, by the way.

Sistrin said:

You just keep proving my point, that in this particular instance you understand nothing of what you are talking about.

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Then please educate me, because I have yet to see anything of substance from you on this particular point. You claim that the award is special; I haven't denied that. All I've said is that having a plaque on the wall doesn't prove anything, because you can buy these plaques online, just like I can buy fatigues at Goodwill. I don't know why you're so insulted by my pointing that out.

As I stated before this point is completely irrelevant. When the First Lady posed for and then published that photo it sent a message to the world, not just a group of politicians. And that message was one of weakness.

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That's your opinion. Given that the campaign has had some measure of success; it would seem that your opinion on the weakness of this image doesn't completely jive with reality.

You don't understand how a chain of command works nor how an organization such as JASOC conducts operations.

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Then educate me, because as far as I understand things, the military doesn't get to decide for itself when to enter a conflict.

I kind of like the "13 year old girl" analogy made by another member here. If a politician makes such a serious decision based on a hastag campaign, that politician is just as deficient as those who have promoted the supposed value of that hashtag campaign.

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If you want to argue that a hashtag campaign is stupid and juvenile, fine; that's your business. I'd point out that you can't honestly make that argument without also labeling every other petition and protest as stupid and juvenile, unless you can demonstrate some real, substantive difference between a hashtag campaign and these other forms of public protest. I've yet to see anyone describe that sort of substantive difference.

PreachersWife2004 said:

What would you have him say in this thread?

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I would start by having him engage in an actual discussion instead of acting like he's some great oracle of military knowledge too good for the rest of us civvies, or getting butthurt whenever anyone questions the opinion of someone (allegedly) in uniform.

PreachersWife2004 said:

But this has nothing to do with KCW saying Coulter was sending a coded racial message to Michelle.

Coulter doesn't use code, by the way.

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Coulter approves of the CoCCs Statement of Principles. She even made a sign about it in her mocking biz.

PreachersWife2004 said:

Coulter doesn't use code, by the way.

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Yeah, that's one thing Coulter really can't be accused of - being cryptic.

wintermile said:

Coulter approves of the CoCCs Statement of Principles. She even made a sign about it in her mocking biz.

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But that still has NOTHING to do with her rant about Michelle.

It was not a coded racial message. There was nothing racial about it.

KatAutumn said:

Yeah, that's one thing Coulter really can't be accused of - being cryptic.

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Precisely.

PreachersWife2004 said:

But that still has NOTHING to do with her rant about Michelle.

It was not a coded racial message. There was nothing racial about it.

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Using the First Lady's sign in a counterfeit manner, as Coulter did when she appealed to her own CoCC supporting audience, reeks of racial pity.

wintermile said:

Using the First Lady's sign in a counterfeit manner, as Coulter did when she appealed to her own CoCC supporting audience, reeks of racial pity.

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#racialdesperation

No it doesn't, actually. It just mocks the sign. I mock the sign, but it's got NOTHING to do with race. Yes, I realize Michelle is black. The mere fact that someone is black does not mean that any and all criticism towards that person is racist.