There certainly is, but just not on Christian Forums. Anti-catholic posts are not allowed regardless of the forum in which they are posted.
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There certainly is, but just not on Christian Forums. Anti-catholic posts are not allowed regardless of the forum in which they are posted.
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Well like I say, we ran into very few, but we did run into a few... on the other hand, we only visited say 12-15 churches before deciding on which was best for us... we have since left that church and now go sporadically into town to the messianic church or the like... we did leave a church I really liked because one of the youth pastors was extremely harsh with my daighter, who was only 6 at the time... my kid was crying, literally, about the way that woman treated her (and I loved the pastor of that church btw) so we left. Nothing worse than sending your kid to a christian school, only to get hurt.. the kid was only 6, what can a 6 year old do that is so bad?
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It's pretty widespread, there are lawyers who devote their practices to it, should tell you something:
http://www.clergyabuselawyer.com/
http://www.church-sexual-abuse-lawyers.com/
http://www.clergyabuselawyer.com/
http://www.church-sexual-abuse-lawyers.com/
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Today at 10:49 AM Reformationist said this in Post #10
I think if this were an honest attempt to determine whether the Catholic church fit into this description then it would be fine and the motive of this thread would clearly be one of seeking unity and understanding. Even if the original posters motive was one of edification this topic is one that probably cannot be discussed without stumbling our brethren. It would be too easy to be offended or respond in an ungodly way. This is a face to face discussion at best. Online is not the place for this.
For what it's worth, I don't believe the Catholic church fits into that catagory at all. While I may not agree with many of the interpretations that church adheres to I think, for the most part, it is filled with wonderful Christians seeking to please God.
God bless
My post was an honest attempt to see if people have experienced this kind of church. No denominations needed to be mentioned. Live4Jesus knows better than to reply like they did.
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Today at 09:40 AM 4Jesus said this in Post #27
My post was an honest attempt to see if people have experienced this kind of church. No denominations needed to be mentioned. Live4Jesus knows better than to reply like they did.
Just so you know I did not mean to sound like you were looking for ways to insinuate anything about the Catholic church. I apologize if I came across that way. I was just saying that a thread of that nature is, I think, too volatile to be addressed online. As honest as your motive might have been there are too many people here with an alterior agenda.
God bless,
Don
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I am more like you 4Jesus, very wary.
Even though my faith is real strong, I have seen soo very much...
Which is exactly why since we left our last church, we only go sporadically... it is hard to find a really good church, a free church shall we say...
I actually like fellowshipping here with you more than anything
You haven't binded me into any doctrines, and even though we disagree on our views of the word here and there... I think we both learn as we go, new things just by discussing whatever, that we wouldn't/couldn't if we were siting in front of a tv all day, or even just home alone.
Even though my faith is real strong, I have seen soo very much...
Which is exactly why since we left our last church, we only go sporadically... it is hard to find a really good church, a free church shall we say...
I actually like fellowshipping here with you more than anything
You haven't binded me into any doctrines, and even though we disagree on our views of the word here and there... I think we both learn as we go, new things just by discussing whatever, that we wouldn't/couldn't if we were siting in front of a tv all day, or even just home alone.
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Today at 11:40 AM 4Jesus said this in Post #27
My post was an honest attempt to see if people have experienced this kind of church. No denominations needed to be mentioned. Live4Jesus knows better than to reply like they did.
4 Jesus- go back and read post 2, she says "like the Pope"? That was uncalled for as Ref says in a public Christian forum this is not the place.
How would any one like it if I said 'like Luther, Calvin, Pat Swaggart or Billy Ghram?
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Don, Every post that comes across this forum has the potential to be abusive but I see an unfair practice of deleting whole threads just because someone decided to be a religion basher. The fairer practice would be to delete the offensive post and leave the thread.
My thread is very necessary. We've already had one person that said they have experienced this kind of abuse.
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This looks like an interesting page... beware I have not read it fully, just now found it..
http://www.caic.org.au/zabusive.htm
From what I can tell, the motives behind abuse in the church usually head in a few distinct directions:
Sex, money, power over followers, claims of being 'the prophet' etc.
I read somewhere a while back about a priest who was telling kids that he was the second coming of Christ, then he would sexually abuse them. boys if I remember correctly. It's one of thsoe well known cases you may have heard of it... but little kids, even adults, new christians, when they hear this from a high up memeber of the church they attend, what are they suppose to think? These guys wear the robes, have the degrees and the positions of power, the people look behind and say 'how can all these people be mislead it just cannot be..,'
it's a difficult situation at best.
The bible does say beware of false teachers, it's in there for a reason, people really do need to heed it. they see signs and wonders, they go running, but the bible says distinctly, beware of that.
Maybe it's God determining those who desire signs and wonders above Him alone, and obedience to His word. I have considered that often. The signs and wonders are out there, I would be hard pressed to tell they are all from God, quite the opposite... so in there is the devil at work too...
Kind of dampens the credibilty on things like theological doctorates for sure... a man should be led of God, not the ideas of men (or himself). Anyone can get a college degree if they have the money and time.
http://www.caic.org.au/zabusive.htm
From what I can tell, the motives behind abuse in the church usually head in a few distinct directions:
Sex, money, power over followers, claims of being 'the prophet' etc.
I read somewhere a while back about a priest who was telling kids that he was the second coming of Christ, then he would sexually abuse them. boys if I remember correctly. It's one of thsoe well known cases you may have heard of it... but little kids, even adults, new christians, when they hear this from a high up memeber of the church they attend, what are they suppose to think? These guys wear the robes, have the degrees and the positions of power, the people look behind and say 'how can all these people be mislead it just cannot be..,'
it's a difficult situation at best.
The bible does say beware of false teachers, it's in there for a reason, people really do need to heed it. they see signs and wonders, they go running, but the bible says distinctly, beware of that.
Maybe it's God determining those who desire signs and wonders above Him alone, and obedience to His word. I have considered that often. The signs and wonders are out there, I would be hard pressed to tell they are all from God, quite the opposite... so in there is the devil at work too...
Kind of dampens the credibilty on things like theological doctorates for sure... a man should be led of God, not the ideas of men (or himself). Anyone can get a college degree if they have the money and time.
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When people can't speak their mind and disagree without being put down for it, that is a good sign they are involved with an abusive church. That is a point my original post made.
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The one youth pastor at our church too, really, my daughter would come home crying almost every day because of her, we had to quit that church.
I don't really care who was wrong or right, you don't do that to a six year old.
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catch you later 4jesus girl, I have to get some stuff done here today, back later, probably after dinner...
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See, now I don't understand this. You just got done saying that the behavior was uncalled for. Why would you mimic it, even to make a point? It was wrong to say, "like the Pope." I think your question of "how would any one like it..." was rethorical and best left unasked. I think you know quite well how we'd feel.
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Believe me, I truly see your point, and I agree. I just don't subscribe to the theory that just because a question can be asked and dealt with in a godly way that we should disregard the possibility of trouble that it could cause.
I think, and this is an odd thing to say on a discussion/debate MB, that we often look at topics as, "Hey, this is a valid question" and fail to see that it is more important to strive to keep our brother from stumbling than it is to make a point, even a valid one.
4Jesus, I think your idea of deleting the offending post only would be a much better method of dealing with inappropriate posts which would give any who were exhibiting self-control an opportunity for learning and growth. Maybe you could suggest that to one of the mods?
God bless
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Today at 12:25 PM Reformationist said this in Post #38
See, now I don't understand this. You just got done saying that the behavior was uncalled for. Why would you mimic it, even to make a point? It was wrong to say, "like the Pope." I think your question of "how would any one like it..." was rethorical and best left unasked. I think you know quite well how we'd feel.
To reinforce the point and to give some insight into just why we would view this as offensive. It's called asking someone to have emphathy.
I do it with my kids, I ask how would you like it if so and so said this about you? You wouldn't so you should not do the same to another.
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