2nd Pentecost in Jerusalem?

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I hear the Bill Johnson crowd, along with others, Cindy Jacobs, and some that call themselves apostles, and others are planning a second Pentecost in Jerusalem next year 2015.

I think I got it right, I was half asleep listening to the TV show, so if anyone has info it would be great. There were others involved too, according to the show. Correction is welcome, but I think I got it pretty straight. I would be interested in names too, there were more mentioned, so if you know, please feel free to share.

On a reflex, all I can say is it sounds like a move of the flesh, to think a predestined God ordained act, like the original one in the Bible, can be duplicated, and put on a man made set calendar date. That is my opinion, and I am entitled to feel that way.

But hey, that is just me, nowadays in Charismatic circles I never know what to expect, life has suprises.:)
 
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When the brethren gather in unity the Lord is there…

World Ready for a Second Pentecost Outpouring? - Inside Israel - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com
JERUSALEM, Israel - Could the world experience a second Pentecost? That's the hope of a global movement called Empowered 21, with organizers setting their sights on Jerusalem, where the first Pentecost took place.

Recently, Christian leaders came from around the world to Jerusalem to worship, pray, and plan for what they call E-21.

"It's amazing to see how many wonderful leaders God has raised up to partner with this goal of seeing every individual touched by a real encounter with the Holy Spirit by the year 2033. It's stunning," Bill Johnson, from Bethel Church, said.

Oral Roberts University President Billy Wilson, director of E-21, spoke at a recent event for global movement.

"Tonight we stand on history and we come to worship the King of Jerusalem who is our Lord Jesus," Wilson said.

"Our big, big vision is bigger than all of us. It comes out of Habakkuk 2:14 that the knowledge of the glory of the Lord will cover the earth as the waters cover the sea. And the big vision is that every person on earth will have an authentic encounter with Jesus Christ through the power and presence of the Holy Spirit by Pentecost 2033," he continued.

The first Pentecost recorded in the book of Acts took place on Mount Zion in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago. During the next Pentecost, May 24, 2015, organizers of E-21 are inviting Christians from around the world to pray for a fresh Pentecost on a new generation.

"You know in Acts chapter 1:8 Jesus said after the Holy Spirit comes on you, you'll be my witnesses in Jerusalem first, Judea, sort of where we are right now, Samaria and to the ends of the earth. So the theme of the conference is to the ends of the earth," Wilson explained.

"We're calling on believers from around the world to converge back on Jerusalem to celebrate the Holy Spirit, to look at what it means to be Spirit-filled in the 21st century and to pray for a new generation to experience God," Wilson said.

As they prepare to pass the spiritual baton to a new generation, some leaders say they already see God at work.

"Thank God E-21 is doing transformation among the leaders in India. Unity has been the key," Al Hollingsworth said.

"I see Empowered 21 as the Body coming together again. So important. So necessary," Dr. Paul Dhinakaran predicted. "When brothers dwell together in unity, the Lord commands a blessing. And I believe the blessing of the end time is the outpouring of the Holy Spirit."

The leaders represent the spectrum of charistmatic and pentecostal groups.

"It's really end time stuff. I mean to have all these streams come together in the mountain of the Lord is, you know, something we dreamed of," Cindy Jacobs said.

Their next dream is Pentecost 2015.

"To experience a fresh Pentecost in our generation will be life changing so your life will never be the same if you come," Wilson promised.
 
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When the brethren gather in unity the Lord is there…

World Ready for a Second Pentecost Outpouring? - Inside Israel - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com
JERUSALEM, Israel - Could the world experience a second Pentecost? That's the hope of a global movement called Empowered 21, with organizers setting their sights on Jerusalem, where the first Pentecost took place.

Recently, Christian leaders came from around the world to Jerusalem to worship, pray, and plan for what they call E-21.

"It's amazing to see how many wonderful leaders God has raised up to partner with this goal of seeing every individual touched by a real encounter with the Holy Spirit by the year 2033. It's stunning," Bill Johnson, from Bethel Church, said.

Oral Roberts University President Billy Wilson, director of E-21, spoke at a recent event for global movement.

"Tonight we stand on history and we come to worship the King of Jerusalem who is our Lord Jesus," Wilson said.

"Our big, big vision is bigger than all of us. It comes out of Habakkuk 2:14 that the knowledge of the glory of the Lord will cover the earth as the waters cover the sea. And the big vision is that every person on earth will have an authentic encounter with Jesus Christ through the power and presence of the Holy Spirit by Pentecost 2033," he continued.

The first Pentecost recorded in the book of Acts took place on Mount Zion in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago. During the next Pentecost, May 24, 2015, organizers of E-21 are inviting Christians from around the world to pray for a fresh Pentecost on a new generation.

"You know in Acts chapter 1:8 Jesus said after the Holy Spirit comes on you, you'll be my witnesses in Jerusalem first, Judea, sort of where we are right now, Samaria and to the ends of the earth. So the theme of the conference is to the ends of the earth," Wilson explained.

"We're calling on believers from around the world to converge back on Jerusalem to celebrate the Holy Spirit, to look at what it means to be Spirit-filled in the 21st century and to pray for a new generation to experience God," Wilson said.

As they prepare to pass the spiritual baton to a new generation, some leaders say they already see God at work.

"Thank God E-21 is doing transformation among the leaders in India. Unity has been the key," Al Hollingsworth said.

"I see Empowered 21 as the Body coming together again. So important. So necessary," Dr. Paul Dhinakaran predicted. "When brothers dwell together in unity, the Lord commands a blessing. And I believe the blessing of the end time is the outpouring of the Holy Spirit."

The leaders represent the spectrum of charistmatic and pentecostal groups.

"It's really end time stuff. I mean to have all these streams come together in the mountain of the Lord is, you know, something we dreamed of," Cindy Jacobs said.

Their next dream is Pentecost 2015.

"To experience a fresh Pentecost in our generation will be life changing so your life will never be the same if you come," Wilson promised.
but to be honest... how many of these types of things been done...?
i see man in it.
 
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You know though, the tragic thing about this is many people will undoubtedly attend because of the big names associated with it, and leave believing God did something great, even if He did or not.

Then years from now we will have to listen to tales of another Brownsville or Toronto like that is what we are to strive for. :doh:
 
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I believe that Bill Johnson of Bethel is the church that experiences the gold dust falling in the church and whose congregants sometimes get the gold tooth miracle. Seems like this is all over Youtube. Interesting way to spread the gospel, Youtube miracles.

I was looking into this ICA (International Coalition of Apostles) and did you know that the founder and producer of the Elijah List is on the board of the ICA? I would think that would be a serious conflict of interest in the real world, but in the Christian world it is a real no no.
 
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but to be honest... how many of these types of things been done...?
i see man in it.

I see man involved in every church service, that is when the Holy Spirit shows up. I wonder if the Holy Spirit is wondering around a big empty room looking for people to fill?? hmmm… Sorry couldn't resist.

Think about when we are told the Holy spirit shows up and tell me these people are wrong to have a prayer meeting where thousands of people will come to worship the one true God. It is never wrong to glorify God, do we get it wrong sometimes, yes… He doesn't. Good thing we know about His grace. :clap:

Do I believe this is Pentecost like nearly 2000 years ago. NO. I pray it would be and I'm not sure how I feel about these people except that they love the Lord. I don't know if their doctrine is sound, I know mine is not and neither is yours. Or anyone else posting on these boards…. I've said many times, after getting to know many Christians, the Lord will not allow us to be right and saved. He wouldn't be able to stand us… we are already so 'holier than thou' we need more love and grace not more doctrine. 2000 years of arguing over doctrine has produced a new church on every block all around the world… where the pastor interprets the scriptures for you…. uh oh… maybe thats God's plan all along….:clap: Get a sense of humor folks, God has one… make a plan, watch God laugh.:D

God bless, andrea
 
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I agree that none of this seems wrong. I mean, how can praising God be wrong? Right? It does seem odd that it could be.

This is what bothers me, it is the 'reasoning' behind what they do and are doing.

For instance, we know that C Peter Wagner started the NAR and the ICA. C. Peter Wagner was also a Professor of Church Growth at Fuller for 30 years, as was John Wimber. This is fact.

Together, C. Peter Wagner and John Wimber co-created and taught a course in Signs and Miracles, that was controversial even at Fuller and only lasted for three years or so. But after, many of C. Peter Wagner's books were based off the same principles as the course.

I'm not saying for sure, but it seems odd to me that two Professors (and later Chairs of Church Growth) would go on to create two of the largest spirit filled denominations. How does one 'teach' the Holy Spirit and being spirit filled?

Also, C. Peter Wagner was the mentor and professor who taught Rick Warren and Rick did his master thesis on Church Growth under Wagner.

Then add the dominion, we must create a political (think Sarah Palin) and social structure of Christianity being dominant before Jesus can return for the second coming and it makes me weirded out.

When did Jesus or anyone in the bible ever do politics? The Pharisees did politics and Jesus knocked down all their tables in the temple.

There is more, but I will stop here.
 
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I just try to steer clear of the ones that have questionable practices, such as the gold dust or even the "glory cloud"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y_B8tJCjt0

Here is a teenager in love with Jesus… its a beautiful thing that he knows Jesus loves him… don't fear glory clouds, fear men who fake them or your own heart that can't receive them. You see the lord won't do it to you bc you can't receive it. I went to a church that during a prayer service had the Fire Dept called three times, bc the neighbors kept calling saying the building was on fire… it was pouring rain outside. This same church had 'gold'dust (actually dissolved so not gold) once during a service and another time, there was this blessed smell that fell over the place…

I personally have seen the glory cloud fall during worship…. so the Lord manifests in ways that are different in some places for His own reasons. IDK. I just know that it brings a deep and abiding awesome love into you, when you see the physical manifestation of the presence of the Lord. Words can never express what the heart feels for an overflowing ever-loving God… :bow:
 
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This is why I am happy to be a good old fashioned Charismatic, not NAR, glitter dust, gold teath, feathers, fake gems, dominionism, angel worship, all of this stuff that is finding it's way into Charismatic churches.

I hople it fails, their man, made pentecost, then maybe people will stop thinking these so called apostles are so wonderful.

Despair can do good for the soul, it disillusions.


Everyone got all hyped up at the red moon thing too.:D
 
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This is why I am happy to be a good old fashioned Charismatic, not NAR, gliiter dust, god teath, feathers, fake gems, dominionism, angel worship, all of this stuff that is finding it's way into Charismatic churches.

I hople it fails, their man, made pentecost, then maybe people will stop thinking these so called apostles are so wonderful.

Despair can do good for the soul, it disillusions.


Everyone got all hyped up at the red moon thing too.:D

I do not think it is foolish to know what they are doing however, because they are very powerful. They kind of stay in the background to a certain degree, but that's what makes it scary.

I will say that this apostle thing would not be so scary if they planned on being apostles over their own churches, but the plan is to have apostles over sections of cities and then cities, and states and geographic sections.

This is not a small thing and they are organized, very powerful and very serious. There will be little freedom. IMO and we should all seek information on this for ourselves. I believe this will play out more and more in the future. What if Sarah Palin had become Vice-President? Whoo hooo. Yup. Yup.
 
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Well the "glory cloud" in the Bible represented God's presence. Such as when He filled the Temple:

And when the priests came out of the Holy Place, a cloud filled the house of the Lord, so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the Lord filled the house of the Lord. (1 Kings 8:10, 11 ESV)

And the glory of the Lord went up from the cherub to the threshold of the house, and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was filled with the brightness of the glory of the Lord. (Ezekiel 10:4 ESV)

As he was saying these things, a cloud came and overshadowed them, and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. (Luke 9:34 ESV)

And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight. (Acts 1:9 ESV)

We have God living in us, what need is there for a "glory cloud"?

I mean it is what it is, if you're into that type of thing then good for you. I'm not and I don't see any need for it. The element of faith is believing without seeing....
 
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This is why I am happy to be a good old fashioned Charismatic, not NAR, gliiter dust, god teath, feathers, fake gems, dominionism, angel worship, all of this stuff that is finding it's way into Charismatic churches.

I hople it fails, their man, made pentecost, then maybe people will stop thinking these so called apostles are so wonderful.

Despair can do good for the soul, it disillusions.


Everyone got all hyped up at the red moon thing too.:D
 
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Then throw the prophecy element in there. If you think I'm exaggerating look at the Elijah List and how much prophecy Cindy Jacobs and C. Peter Wagner have published. They do a yearly prophetic thing. Every year.

Now maybe C. Peter Wagner retired and is not doing it anymore, but who is the guy that took his place. It's on the tip of my tongue.

This is big. This whole thing.
 
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I do not think it is foolish to know what they are doing however, because they are very powerful. They kind of stay in the background to a certain degree, but that's what makes it scary.

I will say that this apostle thing would not be so scary if they planned on being apostles over their own churches, but the plan is to have apostles over sections of cities and then cities, and states and geographic sections.

This is not a small thing and they are organized, very powerful and very serious. There will be little freedom. IMO and we should all seek information on this for ourselves. I believe this will play out more and more in the future. What if Sarah Palin had become Vice-President? Whoo hooo. Yup. Yup.

True, and the very nature to dominate, is born of flesh, because in the end, they seek to be center, instead of Christ. This is my test verse with people, and thier "teachings".

John 7:18 The one who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory; but the one who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, and in him there is no falsehood.
 
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