In his book, "Churches That Abuse" by Dr. Ronald Enroth, he says:
Has anyone ever encounter a church like this?
Has anyone ever encounter a church like this?
Churches That Abuse
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You are in the wrong forum chelc, here are the rules for you:
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I do know the catholic church and the pope would fit into that description real well 4Jesus, though there are others too...
interesting.
interesting.
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You need to check the rules yourself. You cannot make these kinds of posts regardless of what forum it is in. I have reported your post to the moderators.
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really right here is this thread even. Must be a good book.
Aside from that area in the catholic church though, I haven't run into very many myself... I know there have been events like Waco, where it seems like that is what was going on.. We've visited (and stayed a number of weeks at each) baptist churches - they were some Ok, Charisamtic churches - they were some ok (some of this in there I think), a Messianic church - they were OK, Churches of God - they were some OK, and a few other little denoms in there, mostly ok, didn't experience anyything of that nature in any of them, the closet might be one little charismatic church out in the boonies here in VA that had a woman pastor who was real controlling,, took a few weeks to really see it... at first you can't be sure you know, we don't stay anywhere where the pastor or anyone has to be the ultimate top dog and no matter what they do they are right right right. ... so we didn't stay there... she had some funny ideas I must admit... she would spend equal time discussing Jesus as discussing why she wasn't married and how many marriage proposals she had had that month... hoy veh...
It's my impression that when a church leader can't be fully open, he's hiding something... if the only way he can maintain his authority is by saying BECAUSE well.. that says a lot.
I have seen a couple other pastors here and there who treated people like that (don't question me attitudes) end up in a pretty bad way, adultery, divorce etc... they continue on nonetheless so beware... also ran into a congregation of masons within the baptist church... if they can't be questioned about anything,, well, it may often be because they can't justify the answer...
my 2 cents worth.
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What kind of posts Kern? We can't discuss this book here? What are you saying? Our opinions are illegal?
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I think if this were an honest attempt to determine whether the Catholic church fit into this description then it would be fine and the motive of this thread would clearly be one of seeking unity and understanding. Even if the original posters motive was one of edification this topic is one that probably cannot be discussed without stumbling our brethren. It would be too easy to be offended or respond in an ungodly way. This is a face to face discussion at best. Online is not the place for this.
For what it's worth, I don't believe the Catholic church fits into that catagory at all. While I may not agree with many of the interpretations that church adheres to I think, for the most part, it is filled with wonderful Christians seeking to please God.
God bless
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So bashing the Pope is allowed in this forum...interesting indeed.
Do tell, how does one know that the author of the text that was quoted knows this to be fact? Where is his evidence that would support his claim?
iow, who is he?
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I have only seen a very little bit of it, but considering that here for instance, poeple show up claiming to be christian, yet are real lost... have to wonder what they've been taught, they're angry and everything...
4Jesus I do know has some issues, she got them somewhere too... she is real wary of anything Charismatic, why is that 4Jesus? i would like to know what you saw too.
Anyway I found what looks to be a decent a book review of the title:
http://www.csj.org/pub_csj/csjbookreview/csjbkrev92churches.htm
If things cannot be discussed openly, we are nowhere. I am sorry that catholics feel they have to defend any statement about catholicism that doesn't fit their own worldly or personal view, but there are people who have experienced many things within not just other churches, but the catholic church as well. if it were not so, the church would not be facing numerous lawsuits concerning abuse, documented facts and cases some of which are quite well known. to say it only happens elsewhere would be to just throw icing on a cake and try to deceive ourselves that it's a lemon meringue pie.
4Jesus I do know has some issues, she got them somewhere too... she is real wary of anything Charismatic, why is that 4Jesus? i would like to know what you saw too.
Anyway I found what looks to be a decent a book review of the title:
http://www.csj.org/pub_csj/csjbookreview/csjbkrev92churches.htm
If things cannot be discussed openly, we are nowhere. I am sorry that catholics feel they have to defend any statement about catholicism that doesn't fit their own worldly or personal view, but there are people who have experienced many things within not just other churches, but the catholic church as well. if it were not so, the church would not be facing numerous lawsuits concerning abuse, documented facts and cases some of which are quite well known. to say it only happens elsewhere would be to just throw icing on a cake and try to deceive ourselves that it's a lemon meringue pie.
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Today at 10:49 AM Reformationist said this in Post #10
I think if this were an honest attempt to determine whether the Catholic church fit into this description then it would be fine and the motive of this thread would clearly be one of seeking unity and understanding. Even if the original posters motive was one of edification this topic is one that probably cannot be discussed without stumbling our brethren. It would be too easy to be offended or respond in an ungodly way. This is a face to face discussion at best. Online is not the place for this.
For what it's worth, I don't believe the Catholic church fits into that catagory at all. While I may not agree with many of the interpretations that church adheres to I think, for the most part, it is filled with wonderful Christians seeking to please God.
God bless
Thanks Ref.
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There are two things you are doing here, one of which is not allowed, the other of which is just dishonest.
1. Saying that the Catholic Church is abusive because of the Pope's qualities. This is not allowed.
2. You are posting misinformation about the Catholic Church. This is not forbidden by the rules, but it is a dishonest tactic to do so in a forum where Catholics may not respond to the accusations.
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I still would like to know the reason why anyone should listen to what this guy, who wrote the book has to say? What gives him the authority to say that about any Chrsitian?
This thread is about judgeing other Christians, it is disgraceful.
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Catholics are not suppose to debate in this forum. thats why its here, for non-catholics to debate, discuss.
You have a forum, please use it. No matter where any of us go around this webboard, there are 2 or 3 of you who pop in to disdredit everyone, everyone, with accusations, insinuations. This is not a catholic forum. We are free to discuss our experiences with that church and other churches as well here.
You go into every forum doing this, including this one, which is not a catholic forum. Is there a place kern and chelci where the rest of us can discuss the issues of our hearts without having you to tell us exactly what to discuss and how?
You have a forum, please use it. No matter where any of us go around this webboard, there are 2 or 3 of you who pop in to disdredit everyone, everyone, with accusations, insinuations. This is not a catholic forum. We are free to discuss our experiences with that church and other churches as well here.
You go into every forum doing this, including this one, which is not a catholic forum. Is there a place kern and chelci where the rest of us can discuss the issues of our hearts without having you to tell us exactly what to discuss and how?
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I don't think any denomnination has to be mentioned. All someone has to say is yes or no, aunt Tilly got mixed up with a church like that blah, blah, blah and what happened.
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I dobut very seriously if a church that operates under these guidelines is Chrisitian. It sounds more like a cult to me.
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