Let no man deceive you by any means...

Interplanner · May 15, 2014

OT wrote:
Who might want to steal away any hope at all concerning our future day of redemption when these vile bodies shall be transformed into an immortal glorious body like His?

You're wrong. The item just mentioned is not Judaic. It is part of the 2nd coming and it is my hope. The thing(s) I'm objecting to is: a further episode of Judaism that was distant future from the apostles. The truth is that prophecy as handled by the apostles was either immediate and pertaining to Judaism, or distant and universal. No passage in ordinary language mentions anything particular to Judaism in the distant future.

Old Timer · May 15, 2014

Interplanner said:
OT wrote:
Who might want to steal away any hope at all concerning our future day of redemption when these vile bodies shall be transformed into an immortal glorious body like His?

You're wrong. The item just mentioned is not Judaic. It is part of the 2nd coming and it is my hope. The thing(s) I'm objecting to is: a further episode of Judaism that was distant future from the apostles. The truth is that prophecy as handled by the apostles was either immediate and pertaining to Judaism, or distant and universal. No passage in ordinary language mentions anything particular to Judaism in the distant future.

1. Are you DENYING the literal bodily resurrection of the dead in the future?

2. Are you DENYING that DAY is coming or claiming that it already has come?

NOW we know that you can't stand Israel.. that's ok for now.. but what about the DAY OF THE LORD? Past, Present or Future?

And the future bodily resurrection of the dead.. do you DENY that also?

OH, and most important.. what SCRIPTURE do you base the second coming (which you mention) upon?

Old Timer · May 15, 2014

Hands down... the absolute last thing that the deceivers of this present evil world want any man to believe is this...

Israel being delivered in that Day..

at the revelation of Jesus Christ...

Old Timer · May 15, 2014

Did you ever notice that when you ask any preterist for their scriptural basis for the coming of Christ there is nothing but silence...

Gee whiz they're tricky...

Old Timer · May 15, 2014

Did you ever notice how that preterists say that you're wrong and then can't back up a single word they say?

parousia70 · May 15, 2014

Old Timer said:
Did you ever notice that when you ask any preterist for their scriptural basis for the coming of Christ there is nothing but silence...

We have provided MYRIAD of scriptural evidence for Christ's many post ascension comings.

Here's a few more

Christ Came to Saul/Paul on the road to Damascus
(Acts 26:12-18)

Christ Came to Stephen at His stoning
(Acts 7:55-56)

Christ, the Lord of the Vineyard and Chief Cornerstone, Came and destroyed the wicked vinedressers, ground them to powder, at the siege and destruction of Jerusalem in 66-70 AD
(Matt 21:39-45, Luke 20:15-19)

That you don't agree they mean what we say they mean is evident, but to say we never provide any is just plain false.

parousia70 · May 15, 2014

Old Timer said:
Did you ever notice how that preterists say that you're wrong and then can't back up a single word they say?

Nope. Never.
I do notice that the opposite of what you say is true however..

Old Timer · May 15, 2014

parousia70 said:
We have provided MYRIAD of scriptural evidence for Christ's many post ascension comings.

Here's a few more

Christ Came to Saul/Paul on the road to Damascus
(Acts 26:12-18)

Christ Came to Stephen at His stoning
(Acts 7:55-56)

Christ, the Lord of the Vineyard and Chief Cornerstone, Came and destroyed the wicked vinedressers, ground them to powder, at the siege and destruction of Jerusalem in 66-70 AD
(Matt 21:39-45, Luke 20:15-19)

That you don't agree they mean what we say they mean is evident, but to say we never provide any is just plain false.

And not a single verse to show a future coming of Christ or the Day of the LORD..

You're not even allowed to post here although that doesn't stop you now does it.. you just pretend that you believe in a future coming of Christ without a shred of biblical evidence to support your lies.

Typical and pathetic..

parousia70 · May 15, 2014

Old Timer said:
And not a single verse to show a future coming of Christ or the Day of the LORD..

Nope. I don't need any.

Asking me for that is like me saying "notice how Old Timer cant provide one shred of scriptural evidence to Show Jesus was Married and had Kids."

It's because there isn't any!

The Apostles and Nicene creeds are enough for me.

Both State "He will come again in glory to Judge the livign and the dead and his kingdom will have no end"
No millennium in that, no future Judaic temple sacrificial system... just Jesus, Lord of Heaven and Earth, Coming again to Judge the living and dead and inauguration of the eternal state.

I'm good with that.

You're not even allowed to post here although that doesn't stop you now does it..

If I'm not allowed to post here the Mods and admins would have stopped me.
As it stands today, my views on eschatology are entirely orthodox and acceptable and FULLY within the terms of service here at CF.

You are of course free to report any post of mine you feel is in violation of those TOS.

Knock yourself out.

Old Timer · May 15, 2014

parousia70 said:
Nope. I don't need any.

Asking me for that is like me saying "notice how Old Timer cant provide one shred of scriptural evidence to Show Jesus was Married and had Kids."

It's because there isn't any!

The Apostles and Nicene creeds are enough for me.

Both State "He will come again in glory to Judge the livign and the dead and his kingdom will have no end"
No millennium in that, no future Judaic temple sacrificial system... just Jesus, Lord of Heaven and Earth, Coming again to Judge the living and dead and inauguration of the eternal state.

I'm good with that.

If I'm not allowed to post here the Mods and admins would have stopped me.
As it stands today, my views on eschatology are entirely orthodox and acceptable and FULLY within the terms of service here at CF.

You are of course free to report any post of mine you feel is in violation of those TOS.

Knock yourself out.

There you have it folks..

Not a single verse of scripture with respect to the future.. and he calls himself a partial preterist...

He's so clever isn't he.

If it were not for the rulers of the darkness of this world spreading their lies.. you'd wonder why someone like you is even here in eschatology..

But then again we know how lonely the preterist section is..

Old Timer · May 15, 2014

So Parousia 70 automatically fits the bill of a deceiver.. because according to him everything in the bible is fulfilled..

The Day of the LORD..

The coming of Christ..

The resurrection of the dead..

You name it.. it's fulfilled..

Old Timer · May 15, 2014

But remember.. Christians can't actually be deceived... right..?

Old Timer · May 15, 2014

There are actually quite a few in CF who would say that the Day of the LORD has come...

But that's ok right.. what's a little leaven..

Old Timer · May 16, 2014

Let no man deceive you by any means..

What are the means of the deceivers today?

Old Timer · May 16, 2014

Ooooopppps... I almost forgot.. Christians can't be deceived..

It's perfectly fine to believe and teach that the Day of the LORD is all in the past.. or even here in the NOW..

What difference could that possibly make?

What difference does it make if the resurrection is past already and some are looking forward to the redemption of our body..?

What difference does it make if Christ already came and this is it..

Dunbar · May 16, 2014

Christians can be easily deceived. There are thousands who have been duped into worshipping Israel. They abandon the new covenant and the great commission and the gospel itself. The old covenant is alive and well. When they start telling me to give up my bacon it's gonna be on like donkey kong.

Old Timer · May 16, 2014

Dunbar said:
Christians can be easily deceived. There are thousands who have been duped into worshipping Israel. They abandon the new covenant and the great commission and the gospel itself. The old covenant is alive and well. When they start telling me to give up my bacon it's gonna be on like donkey kong.

I was just worshipping Israel today as a matter of fact, and yes, you must cut down on the bacon.

Old Timer · May 16, 2014

I'd bet that all men can be deceived except for themselves..

LOL

Dunbar · May 16, 2014

Old Timer said:
I was just worshipping Israel today as a matter of fact, and yes, you must cut down on the bacon.

That doesn't surprise me. So I take it you reject the new covenant and the great commission too. You could not pay me to step foot in these mega churches that teach this kind of rubbish. Christian in name only!!!

Old Timer · May 16, 2014

Dunbar said:
That doesn't surprise me. So I take it you reject the new covenant and the great commission too. You could not pay me to step foot in these mega churches that teach this kind of rubbish. Christian in name only!!!

I was wondering if you have any extra animals I could have.

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