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Aviela · May 8, 2014

I came across this news story today regarding Christian twin brothers and HGTV. I thought it would be interesting to have a civil conversation regarding this issue. Personally, I found this story concerning since I still like to think it's possible to stand up for Christian morals and still be seen as doing the right thing.

HGTV's Benham brothers: 'If our faith costs us a television show then so be it'
May 8, 2014, 2:29 PM EST
By L.A. Ross

HGTV's Benham brothers: 'If our faith costs us a television show then so be it' - MSN TV News

BryanW92 · May 8, 2014

As we rush headlong into the End Times, we will all get to choose whether we support our faith or support the worldly culture. It will get worse. These guys lost a TV show. Not a big sacrifice. Soon, they'll demand allegiance to the gay cause for all of us.

Aviela · May 8, 2014

BryanW92 said:
As we rush headlong into the End Times, we will all get to choose whether we support our faith or support the worldly culture. It will get worse. These guys lost a TV show. Not a big sacrifice. Soon, they'll demand allegiance to the gay cause for all of us.

I understand what you are saying but they did lose a fair bit of their livelyhood and any negative publicity can do further harm in that regard as well. When it comes to the issue of standing up for what is right, I often think that the world can try and control this life life or destroy my body but they cannot determine what happens to my soul. ..thankfuly.

However, I, myself, have encountered a fair amount of hurt for standing up for what is right and it has not been easy.

SaltwaterHeart · May 8, 2014

I'm not concerned about it, honestly, in any aspect.

Aviela · May 8, 2014

SaltwaterHeart said:
I'm not concerned about it, honestly, in any aspect.

I guess it would probably depend on ones view regarding the morality of the issue.

JesusFo11ower · May 8, 2014

Hopefully this gets support like duck dynasty did

Aviela · May 8, 2014

JesusFo11ower said:
Hopefully this gets support like duck dynasty did

How so? I'm not famililiar with the issues regarding Duck Dynasty.

tturt · May 9, 2014

agree JesusFo11ower We need to support them

Aviela · May 10, 2014

tturt said:
agree JesusFo11ower We need to support them

It seems that one of the Duck Dynasty members has received flack for the same issue... So do you think this show / these 2 fellows will receive the same support from Christians?

tturt · May 11, 2014

You can contact HGTV or #FlipThisDecision - Faith Driven Consumer. The voice of those who oppose being able to speak Biblical values is being heard, why not ours?

Aviela · May 11, 2014

tturt said:
You can contact HGTV or #FlipThisDecision - Faith Driven Consumer. The voice of those who oppose being able to speak Biblical values is being heard, why not ours?

Thanks for the link. Personally, I have already contacted HGTV and have expressed my view and my decision to boycott them. I have also stated I would be discussing this with others as well.

BryanW92 · May 11, 2014

Aviela said:
Thanks for the link. Personally, I have already contacted HGTV and have expressed my view and my decision to boycott them. I have also stated I would be discussing this with others as well.

There are so many gays on HGTV that I just call it the "Gay Channel". I wouldn't surprise me to find that they offered these guys who never hid their faith or position on homosexuality as a sin a show just so they could create a media firestorm like A&E got from the Duck Dynasty controversy.

tremble · May 12, 2014

bryan said:
These guys lost a TV show. Not a big sacrifice. Soon, they'll demand allegiance to the gay cause for all of us.

aviela said:
I understand what you are saying but they did lose a fair bit of their livelyhood

I found this exchange to be quite interesting. Bryan, would you forsake your job in order to follow Jesus? I dunno, maybe you already have, but I'm assuming, based on the tone of your comment, that you probably have not.

I'm referring to some teachings from Jesus about this very issue. In Matthew 6:19-34 he gives extensive instructions on "living by faith". He says that we cannot serve God and mammon (money and the things money can buy) at the same time without cheating on one or the other.

When we work for love, we show our contempt for the worldly system of forcing people to pay us for our help. When we work for money we show our contempt for love, where we help each other regardless of payment.

He tells us to consider the birds and flower specifically because they do not have jobs working for money and yet God takes care of them.

He tells us that all the pagans of the world chase after money but that we should not be like them. Our new job is to work to build the Kingdom of Heaven full time.

If Jesus ever did have a carpentry job, he forsook it to preach full time. When he said "follow me" to Matthew the tax collector, Matthew forsook his job to follow Jesus. When he said follow me to a group of fishermen, at least four of them forsook their paid employment to become "fishers of men", their NEW job. They could not work both jobs at the same time without cheating on one or the other.

It's a fantastic testimony for the Kingdom of Heaven that the brothers decided to help those 6 families anyway, regardless of the financial payoff from the show. I believe that is how God wants it for us all the time; a willingness to help one another regardless of payment.

He told us not to let fear about paying the bills stop us from showing this kind of love to others, because God can take care of us.

BryanW92 · May 12, 2014

tremble said:
I found this exchange to be quite interesting. Bryan, would you forsake your job in order to follow Jesus? I dunno, maybe you already have, but I'm assuming, based on the tone of your comment, that you probably have not.

I have a job where I used to work about 10 hours of overtime a week. I have the ability to decide when I work it and my job isn't physically demanding (industrial automation programming) so OT is literally just extra money for me. That 10 hours a week represents about $550.

When I became a Christian and became involved with church and my church family, I started dialing back my OT because it interfered with my church activities. After a few years, my OT has gone from 500 hours a year to less than 100. So, yes, I have sacrificed over $20k/yr for several years now to do things that I do for Christ.

Those brothers have other sources of income too. Losing this job will not have them living out of their car in a month.

Aviela · May 12, 2014

BryanW92 said:
There are so many gays on HGTV that I just call it the "Gay Channel". I wouldn't surprise me to find that they offered these guys who never hid their faith or position on homosexuality as a sin a show just so they could create a media firestorm like A&E got from the Duck Dynasty controversy.

I'm not as familiar with the Duck Dynasty dynamics so I can't really comment as much. I never knew it was the A&E network that was involved. Some of those channels 'may' be owned / co-owned. I would have to research that aspect of things more.

Aviela · May 12, 2014

tremble said:
I found this exchange to be quite interesting. Bryan, would you forsake your job in order to follow Jesus? I dunno, maybe you already have, but I'm assuming, based on the tone of your comment, that you probably have not.

I'm referring to some teachings from Jesus about this very issue. In Matthew 6:19-34 he gives extensive instructions on "living by faith". He says that we cannot serve God and mammon (money and the things money can buy) at the same time without cheating on one or the other.

When we work for love, we show our contempt for the worldly system of forcing people to pay us for our help. When we work for money we show our contempt for love, where we help each other regardless of payment.

He tells us to consider the birds and flower specifically because they do not have jobs working for money and yet God takes care of them.

He tells us that all the pagans of the world chase after money but that we should not be like them. Our new job is to work to build the Kingdom of Heaven full time.

If Jesus ever did have a carpentry job, he forsook it to preach full time. When he said "follow me" to Matthew the tax collector, Matthew forsook his job to follow Jesus. When he said follow me to a group of fishermen, at least four of them forsook their paid employment to become "fishers of men", their NEW job. They could not work both jobs at the same time without cheating on one or the other.

It's a fantastic testimony for the Kingdom of Heaven that the brothers decided to help those 6 families anyway, regardless of the financial payoff from the show. I believe that is how God wants it for us all the time; a willingness to help one another regardless of payment.

He told us not to let fear about paying the bills stop us from showing this kind of love to others, because God can take care of us.

I understand what you are saying and I'm not arguing that point the God takes care of us but God calls us in different ways and can ask different things of different people. God also provides according to our needs so that we can accomplish His will.

However, would you be just as supportive of these fellows if they chose to stand up and deal with this through the court system and tried to make a difference for Christians that way? Or would you be supportive of them regardless of their decision...trusting that they were following God's will. Not everything is this cut and dry and we can not expect that God will always ask all of us to do the same things in the same ways. He works in mysterious ways. I would support them in their decision regardless as long as I didn't see them hurting anyone.

Aviela · May 12, 2014

Here is another story regarding the mozilla organization regarding a similar issue:

#OpenZilla - Faith Driven Consumer

Aviela · May 12, 2014

One of the things that bothers me about this situation is gay rights activists are being a bit contradictory in their stance regarding this situation. One of the major arguments that they use is that people have the right to choose but it appears through their behavior regarding some issues, what they really are saying is that people only have the right to choose 'their' way / view. I see this as a major flaw in there argument.

seeingeyes · May 12, 2014

Aviela said:
One of the things that bothers me about this situation is gay rights activists are being a bit contradictory in their stance regarding this situation. One of the major arguments that they use is that people have the right to choose but it appears through their behavior regarding some issues, what they really are saying is that people only have the right to choose 'their' way / view. I see this as a major flaw in there argument.

There's not a contradiction there. If abortion or gay marriage or divorce is legal, you are not obligated to do any of those things.

But if abortion or gay marriage or divorce is illegal (these are the topics that the Benham's were politically lobbying), then everyone who is opposed is forced to change their actions at the end of the government's gun.

It's important to note the distinction between someone saying "you shouldn't do x" and "I want the government to stop making you do x".

But at any rate, the cancelling of this show was a financial decision based on the backlash from the consumers, not a political one (otherwise, these guys wouldn't have been hired in the first place).

Aviela · May 12, 2014

seeingeyes said:
There's not a contradiction there. If abortion or gay marriage or divorce is legal, you are not obligated to do any of those things.

But if abortion or gay marriage or divorce is illegal (these are the topics that the Benham's were politically lobbying), then everyone who is opposed is forced to change their actions at the end of the government's gun.

It's important to note the distinction between someone saying "you shouldn't do x" and "I want the government to stop making you do x".

But at any rate, the cancelling of this show was a financial decision based on the backlash from the consumers, not a political one (otherwise, these guys wouldn't have been hired in the first place).

We will have to agree to disagree regarding these two points. It is, imo, a contradictory stance of gay rights activists and these decisions are relevant to politics and societal implication. ..both for law and politics.

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