A powerful letter from the wife of a inappropriate content addict...

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There exist addiction levels, so there must then also exist parameters of severity, or which one is worse. Nobody has argured that inappropriate content isn't as addictive as cocaine or heroin. The claim that it is was made but not supported. I am skeptical that it is correct.

I wouldn't say that I've studied inappropriate content addiction with any sort of academic rigor, but I have observed it and am certainly aware that it exists and is not something you would want a loved one falling victim to. Again, I am not saying that inappropriate content is less addictive than heroin or cocaine. I am saying that I think that a person that says it isn't in the headline of an article has a duty to back that statement up with something more than "inappropriate contentography can ruin relationships".

I don't think I've been nasty here and I don't get the accusation. I'm not being cruel. You don’t have to debate me on this topic. You could have merely said "Yeah, that isn't a defensible statement. Bad article." and moved on. We need to be very careful about the image we sell.
Right. That would had worked. Anybody that can read can see how the thread unfolded. Whatever.
 
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There exist addiction levels, so there must then also exist parameters of severity, or which one is worse. Nobody has argued that inappropriate content isn't as addictive as cocaine or heroin. The claim that it is was made but not supported. I am skeptical that it is correct.
Gurney is wrong. There have been scientific attempts to measure the addicitiveness of various substances. A simple Google search for "addicitveness scale" brings up a wiki page for "Substance dependence" and section "Addictive potential" describes how a group of scientists came up with a
scale from 0 to 3 for physical addiction, psychological addiction, and pleasure to create a mean score for addiction.
Heroin is at the top. inappropriate content isn't on the list. It's anyone's guess where it would land on that scale but beating heroin in pleasure, psychological dependence and physical dependence seems unlikely.
I wouldn't say that I've studied inappropriate content addiction with any sort of academic rigor, but I have observed it and am certainly aware that it exists and is not something you would want a loved one falling victim to. Again, I am not saying that inappropriate content is less addictive than heroin or cocaine. I am saying that I think that a person that says it isn't in the headline of an article has a duty to back that statement up with something more than "inappropriate contentography can ruin relationships".

I don't think I've been nasty here and I don't get the accusation. I'm not being cruel. You don’t have to debate me on this topic. You could have merely said "Yeah, that isn't a defensible statement. Bad article." and moved on. We need to be very careful about the image we sell.
Yeah, you and Antigone have argued about the necessity for moral highground in the fight against inappropriate content addiction. The rest of the thread considers this notion quaint but unnecessary? :confused:
 
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Where does the Bible address inappropriate content?

Besides lust - which The Bible does talk about - perhaps there are verses on using your talents to please God? After all, back then, inappropriate content was created through different means, like painting, sketching, and writing. Keep in mind that I'm not saying that filming isn't a talent; nor am I calling inappropriate content a talent. But, in general, all of them are different, artistic mediums. (Painting, writing, sketching, making movies... etc.)
 
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Gurney is wrong. There have been scientific attempts to measure the addicitiveness of various substances. A simple Google search for "addicitveness scale" brings up a wiki page for "Substance dependence" and section "Addictive potential" describes how a group of scientists came up with a Heroin is at the top. inappropriate content isn't on the list. It's anyone's guess where it would land on that scale but beating heroin in pleasure, psychological dependence and physical dependence seems unlikely.
Yeah, you and Antigone have argued about the necessity for moral highground in the fight against inappropriate content addiction. The rest of the thread considers this notion quaint but unnecessary? :confused:
No we do not think it is unnecessary. This issue is still being studied. But the majority of studies so far point in a very bad direction. Some do indicate that for some people this can be as addictive as a hard drug. Which I assume is why the author chose the title he did. But OBOB has a history of not seeing the forest for the trees. OP's are lost on nitpicking things like titles, a site they do not like, & arguments ensue. Same old stuff.

In the meantime...while we are worried about impressions in this tiny forum that other people write... people get the impression that he actual topic is no importance. As Rhamiel said, we talk everything to death. We nitpick. Tangents fueled by the subject while avoiding the subject. It's really not about taking any moral high ground as far as I can see. I posted the NPR article that basically said the same thing & that was never addressed either. Instead we get comparison on symptoms of withdrawl, etc. Well, it is still being studied!

OBOB history repeating itself.
 
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Besides lust - which The Bible does talk about - perhaps there are verses on using your talents to please God? After all, back then, inappropriate content was created through different means, like painting, sketching, and writing. Keep in mind that I'm not saying that filming isn't a talent; nor am I calling inappropriate content a talent. But, in general, all of them are different, artistic mediums. (Painting, writing, sketching, making movies... etc.)

Art comes in all forms but I have issues calling the type of inappropriate content the OP discusses that ruins lives art.
 
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Yeah, that Gurney's a real weasel! And heaven knows that Google searches that turn up Wikis are always super reliable and scientific!

Gurney is wrong. There have been scientific attempts to measure the addicitiveness of various substances. A simple Google search for "addicitveness scale" brings up a wiki page for "Substance dependence" and section "Addictive potential" describes how a group of scientists came up with a Heroin is at the top. inappropriate content isn't on the list. It's anyone's guess where it would land on that scale but beating heroin in pleasure, psychological dependence and physical dependence seems unlikely.
Yeah, you and Antigone have argued about the necessity for moral highground in the fight against inappropriate content addiction. The rest of the thread considers this notion quaint but unnecessary? :confused:
 
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Art comes in all forms but I have issues calling the type of inappropriate content the OP discusses that ruins lives art.

And I am agreeing with you on that. I don't think that inappropriate content is art.
But, I do think that filmmaking, in general, is an artistic gift. A person who films inappropriate content could be using their God-given gifts to make movies for The Lord instead. Hence why I asked if there are Bible verses pertaining to using your gifts to please God, or not.
 
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Speaking as a person that had a inappropriate content addiction for over 20 years I can say that it was one of the hardest things to break away from, and it took something even more horrible than that to take me away from it but thank The Lord I've been inappropriate content free for 5 years and God willing I will never go back to it again.

For anyone that says it isnt that addictive , you won't truly know until your in that addiction, and I don't wish it upon anyone.
 
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Speaking as a person that had a inappropriate content addiction for over 20 years I can say that it was one of the hardest things to break away from, and it took something even more horrible than that to take me away from it but thank The Lord I've been inappropriate content free for 5 years and God willing I will never go back to it again.

For anyone that says it isnt that addictive , you won't truly know until your in that addiction, and I don't wish it upon anyone.
God bless you. Prayers you remain free of it.:crossrc:
 
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Thanks be to God. Glory to Him and we're proud of YOU for accepting His grace and blessings of strength! Way to go!:thumbsup:

Speaking as a person that had a inappropriate content addiction for over 20 years I can say that it was one of the hardest things to break away from, and it took something even more horrible than that to take me away from it but thank The Lord I've been inappropriate content free for 5 years and God willing I will never go back to it again.

For anyone that says it isnt that addictive , you won't truly know until your in that addiction, and I don't wish it upon anyone.
 
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Again, point them out & prove them wrong. I posted it.

I did, in some detail. I pointed out the sources, the lack of peer-reviews, the post hoc ergo propter hoc, the faulty conclusions. You never replied to that particular post. Aside from actually going out into the field and perfoming a study myself, I'm not sure what else you want me to do.

We need to be very careful about the image we sell.

This, one hundred times over.

Michie, again I ask you: do you think it is okay to spread lies to get the message across? I've asked you three times and you haven't answered me yet, as far as I can tell.

Right. That would had worked. Anybody that can read can see how the thread unfolded. Whatever.

I don't think I've been rude to you. I've just been questioning the validity of what you posted. You seem to have taken this very personally for some reason, but you're being unnecessarily hostile.

No we do not think it is unnecessary. This issue is still being studied. But the majority of studies so far point in a very bad direction. Some do indicate that for some people this can be as addictive as a hard drug. Which I assume is why the author chose the title he did. But OBOB has a history of not seeing the forest for the trees. OP's are lost on nitpicking things like titles, a site they do not like, & arguments ensue. Same old stuff.

That's the point -these studies do not say it can be as addictive as a hard drug, which has been pointed out to you several times. And it's not matter of needlessly nitpicking stuff just because you happen to be the one who posted it. As Mike said, we need to guard the image we create. We do not want to come across as a group who aren't interested in the truth, only in what we want the truth to be.

Yeah, that Gurney's a real weasel! And heaven knows that Google searches that turn up Wikis are always super reliable and scientific!

They are if they're cross-referenced, and most Wikis these days are.
 
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Addiction is varied and different for each person. People can become psychologically dependent upon any number of things, so it is not surprising to me that some personalities can become addicted/psychologically dependent on inappropriate content.

Even while the science rates inappropriate contentography as low on the addiction scale, that doesn't mean that there are not a whole lot of people who are dependent upon it. Even if said people do not show classic signs of addiction, they can still be dependent - like I said, I've encountered a TON of men who are dependent on inappropriate content for arousal. (Most of them shared their stories on the internet. I don't go around asking people about their sex lives.) Indeed, there have been small studies released within the last few years warning against a trend toward erectile dysfunction for men in their 20s - and it was inappropriate content-related. Too much inappropriate content, real life can't live up to it.

Oh, and I forgot to mention - inappropriate content consumption is also responsible for the popularity of certain sexual acts as well. It also encourages fetishes.
 
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Oh, and I forgot to mention - inappropriate content consumption is also responsible for the popularity of certain sexual acts as well. It also encourages fetishes.

My main problem with inappropriate content is that it is so incredibly dehumanising and demeaning towards woman. So much of it is about subjection and pain. I think it gives young people - men and women alike - who watch inappropriate content before they actually have sex the wrong idea. Very few women (and not that many men, either, I'm guessing) enjoy the pounding and spitting and slapping of your average internet inappropriate content.
 
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I did, in some detail. I pointed out the sources, the lack of peer-reviews, the post hoc ergo propter hoc, the faulty conclusions. You never replied to that particular post. Aside from actually going out into the field and perfoming a study myself, I'm not sure what else you want me to do.



This, one hundred times over.

Michie, again I ask you: do you think it is okay to spread lies to get the message across? I've asked you three times and you haven't answered me yet, as far as I can tell.



I don't think I've been rude to you. I've just been questioning the validity of what you posted. You seem to have taken this very personally for some reason, but you're being unnecessarily hostile.



That's the point -these studies do not say it can be as addictive as a hard drug, which has been pointed out to you several times. And it's not matter of needlessly nitpicking stuff just because you happen to be the one who posted it. As Mike said, we need to guard the image we create. We do not want to come across as a group who aren't interested in the truth, only in what we want the truth to be.



They are if they're cross-referenced, and most Wikis these days are.
I think you have to define addictive, and I'm not sure it can be so clearly defined. The problem with inappropriate content is that it is very self-centered-the person you're trying to please is you. And self-pleasure, as someone noted-can be addictive, in that eventually that particular thrill gets numb, and you have to go more extreme to find the same level of pleasure. In this regard, the same is true with drugs. For me, all my addictions were to me. I wanted to do what I wanted to do, and I'd find any way to do what I wanted to do. Whether it was smoking, consumerism, drinking, drugs or inappropriate content (all of which I've had addictions to, and none of which I've had to seek professional help to cure), the focus was on myself-being selfish. When I finally 'got over' myself, I was able to quit smoking, stop spending money needlessly, discipline myself with drinking, quit drugs, and discipline inappropriate content use. It is all about self-discipline.

Is inappropriate content chemically addictive? No. Probably not. Is it addictive though, psychologically? Absolutely.
 
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My main problem with inappropriate content is that it is so incredibly dehumanising and demeaning towards woman. So much of it is about subjection and pain. I think it gives young people - men and women alike - who watch inappropriate content before they actually have sex the wrong idea. Very few women (and not that many men, either, I'm guessing) enjoy the pounding and spitting and slapping of your average internet inappropriate content.


I tend to agree with you that the single worst thing about inappropriate content is that in encourages people to objectify and dehumanise others. There is hope theough, there is recent evidence indicating that the kids who grew up with internet inappropriate content quickly tire of it as they enter adulthoood and long for the closeness and respect that cannot be found in inappropriate contentography. It might be that our kids are more robust than we give them credit for and that our generation, who found the internet as teens or adults, are the only ones who can't handle it on a grand scale. I hope so, anyway, becausse inappropriate content doesn't seeem to be going anywhere.

Interestingly, I've seen studies that show that women tend to gravitate toward inappropriate content which is considerably more aggressive an d less respectful than the sex that they pursue in their real relationship(s). Certainly there are men out there consuming some very nasty inappropriate content, but I don't think the phenomonon is unique to men. Lotts of women apparently fantasize about various types of abuse that they don't actually desire in real life.
 
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I think you have to define addictive, and I'm not sure it can be so clearly defined. The problem with inappropriate content is that it is very self-centered-the person you're trying to please is you. And self-pleasure, as someone noted-can be addictive, in that eventually that particular thrill gets numb, and you have to go more extreme to find the same level of pleasure. In this regard, the same is true with drugs. For me, all my addictions were to me. I wanted to do what I wanted to do, and I'd find any way to do what I wanted to do. Whether it was smoking, consumerism, drinking, drugs or inappropriate content (all of which I've had addictions to, and none of which I've had to seek professional help to cure), the focus was on myself-being selfish. When I finally 'got over' myself, I was able to quit smoking, stop spending money needlessly, discipline myself with drinking, quit drugs, and discipline inappropriate content use. It is all about self-discipline.

Is inappropriate content chemically addictive? No. Probably not. Is it addictive though, psychologically? Absolutely.

I agree with you, but biolochemically speaking it's very different from substance addiction.

Again, I don't contest that inappropriate content is bad, but I think it would serve us to look at the facts and not spin fanciful tales.
 
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Interestingly, I've seen studies that show that women tend to gravitate toward inappropriate content which is considerably more aggressive an d less respectful than the sex that they pursue in their real relationship(s). Certainly there are men out there consuming some very nasty inappropriate content, but I don't think the phenomonon is unique to men. Lotts of women apparently fantasize about various types of abuse that they don't actually desire in real life.

I think rape fantasies are very common among women, but of course few women actively seek out to be raped, whereas I don't think men have similar fantasies. Perhaps this says something very interesting about human sexuality in general, but I don't think we benefit much from seeing these apparently basal instincts confirmed on RedTube.
 
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I think rape fantasies are very common among women, but of course few women actively seek out to be raped, whereas I don't think men have similar fantasies. Perhaps this says something very interesting about human sexuality in general, but I don't think we benefit much from seeing these apparently basal instincts confirmed on RedTube.

Agreed in full. While the popularity of certain sexual trends probably have been influenced by inappropriate contentography, the common female fantasy of being taken by a powerful man, at least somewhat against her will, is likely something that is wired into her brain from thousands of years back. And you're right, no good comes from indulging in that in internet inappropriate contentography. Morality of inappropriate contentography and fornication and masturbation aside, giving our young men the idea that what women really want is a man who won't treat her with dignity is troubling.
 
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Morality of inappropriate contentography and fornication and masturbation aside, giving our young men the idea that what women really want is a man who won't treat her with dignity.
lol you do not need inappropriate content to get this idea
go to any club and you can see tons of people, men and women, getting black out drunk, wearing next to nothing, hooking up with strangers.

yes yes yes I know not EVERYONE does this
but there are no shortages of women who do not treat themselves with dignity, nor do they expect others too.
 
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lol you do not need inappropriate content to get this idea
go to any club and you can see tons of people, men and women, getting black out drunk, wearing next to nothing, hooking up with strangers.

yes yes yes I know not EVERYONE does this
but there are no shortages of women who do not treat themselves with dignity, nor do they expect others too.

No doubt.
 
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