In Arminianism, God excludes some people from salvation

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And your response is making less sense to me.

I was replying to:

Originally Posted by cygnusx1
Sin isn't created , it's the absence of the created .
My response to cygnusx1 as OZ was: Try telling that to Adam and Eve. I'm using 'created' in the sense of an action done.

Now I say it again: For Adam and Eve, sin was created because it was a response in which they did evil - a creation or DOING/ACTION by Adam & Eve.

I have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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I have no idea what you are talking about.
So my giving you the complete (though brief) details has confused you. I'm sorry about that.

It was cygnusx1 who stated that sin was 'the absence of the created'. I said that that was not so with Adam and Eve as they 'created' the first sin by doing it.

Have I clarified it or not?
 
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So my giving you the complete (though brief) details has confused you. I'm sorry about that.

It was cygnusx1 who stated that sin was 'the absence of the created'. I said that that was not so with Adam and Eve as they 'created' the first sin by doing it.

Have I clarified it or not?

Yes. I've just never heard of sin being created before.
 
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I have no idea what you are talking about.
But you were blaming me for incoherent response to you when I was replying to cygnusx1 who stated that sin was created. I was affirming that it was not created - but I got the blame from you. Why?
 
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Now I say it again: For Adam and Eve, sin was created because it was a response in which they did evil - a creation or DOING/ACTION by Adam & Eve.
This is why Paul's reply to the jailer was a correction. The jailer was essentially asking Paul how create his salvation. The jailer said, "What must I do to be saved." The word do means "to create" or "to make." Paul disaffirmed the jailer's notion that he must do something by saying, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved."
 
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This is why Paul's reply to the jailer was a correction. The jailer was essentially asking Paul how create his salvation. The jailer said, "What must I do to be saved." The word do means "to create" or "to make." Paul disaffirmed the jailer's notion that he must do something by saying, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved."
That's not dealing with the issue I raised:
Now I say it again: For Adam and Eve, sin was created because it was a response in which they did evil - a creation or DOING/ACTION by Adam & Eve.
Did Adam and Eve DO anything to commit the first sin of original sin?
 
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But you were blaming me for incoherent response to you when I was replying to cygnusx1 who stated that sin was created. I was affirming that it was not created - but I got the blame from you. Why?

I don't believe I blamed you for anything. I just said I didn't understand it.
 
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That's not dealing with the issue I raised:
Now I say it again: For Adam and Eve, sin was created because it was a response in which they did evil - a creation or DOING/ACTION by Adam & Eve.
Did Adam and Eve DO anything to commit the first sin of original sin?

Adam did. Eve was deceived.
 
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So is deception not an active thing that Eve did?

No. It was an active thing Satan did. Eve was deceived. If Eve had sinned, Jesus would be the second Eve, not the second Adam.
 
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It would be so much more helpful, and pleasant, if these discussions could proceed without all the jockeying for position and trying to capitalize on "gotcha!" moments. Is it so hard to accept that someone else doesn't see things the same as you (generic word, not aimed at anyone in particular)? The blind men and the elephant comes to mind. Is it so difficult to accept that no one here is tasked with "defeating", "destroying", or otherwise damaging a differing theological viewpoint that makes no difference to the salvation of anyone?
 
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And your response is making less sense to me.

I was replying to:

Originally Posted by cygnusx1
Sin isn't created , it's the absence of the created .
My response to cygnusx1 as OZ was: Try telling that to Adam and Eve. I'm using 'created' in the sense of an action done.

Now I say it again: For Adam and Eve, sin was created because it was a response in which they did evil - a creation or DOING/ACTION by Adam & Eve.

So my giving you the complete (though brief) details has confused you. I'm sorry about that.

It was cygnusx1 who stated that sin was 'the absence of the created'. I said that that was not so with Adam and Eve as they 'created' the first sin by doing it.

Have I clarified it or not?

But you were blaming me for incoherent response to you when I was replying to cygnusx1 who stated that sin was created. I was affirming that it was not created - but I got the blame from you. Why?


You might wish to amend your last quoted post , it doesn't match the other two.
 
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You might wish to amend your last quoted post , it doesn't match the other two.
That's your view. It was not mine. I might not have stated it as well as you would have liked, but the meanings were meant to be consistent with what I meant.

The intention of synonymous meaning was from me.
 
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That's your view. It was not mine. I might not have stated it as well as you would have liked, but the meanings were meant to be consistent with what I meant.

The intention of synonymous meaning was from me.

Why did you ask me who created sin?

Agreed that God created the human race and everything else as 'good'. However, who created the first sin in your Reformed understanding?
 
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This is why Paul's reply to the jailer was a correction. The jailer was essentially asking Paul how create his salvation. The jailer said, "What must I do to be saved." The word do means "to create" or "to make."
It also infers simply doing something. Like believing, which was Paul's answer.

Paul disaffirmed the jailer's notion that he must do something by saying, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved."
Which affirmed the jailer's question. What the jailer MUST DO is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved.

We see the exact same concept in a number of verses:
Mark 16:16
16 " He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.

Luke 8:12
12 "Those beside the road are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not believe and be saved.

Acts 4:12
12 "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."

Acts 11:14
14 and he will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.'

Acts 16:31
They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

Rom 10:9, 10
9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

Rom 1:16
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

2 Tim 3:15
15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

1 Peter 1:5
5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

1 Peter 1:9 obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.

2 Thess 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

All of these verses clearly link believing with being saved or obtaining eternal life.
 
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Because I sought your answer to the question? Isn't it a fair enough question to ask on a Christian forum?

Okay. It was just an odd question.
 
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That's your view. It was not mine. I might not have stated it as well as you would have liked, but the meanings were meant to be consistent with what I meant.

The intention of synonymous meaning was from me.

How does this ,

"I was replying to cygnusx1 who stated that sin was created. I was affirming that it was not created - "

Make sense , when you already affirmed ,

I was replying to:

Originally Posted by cygnusx1 "
Sin isn't created , it's the absence of the created ."
 
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