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Deuteronomy 22:5
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.


What do you think this Bible verse means? Does it mean a woman should not wear pants and a man a skirt? In the Bible men wore long tunics that if worn today it would look like a woman's clothes.

What do you think?
 

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No, I do not think this applies how you dress so much as why you dress that way. This would apply to those who wish to emulate the opposite gender by what they wear. Crossdressing, in other words, is against God's will as it seeks to change what He fundamentally ordained you to be as a man or woman.
 
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Deuteronomy 22:5
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.


What do you think this Bible verse means? Does it mean a woman should not wear pants and a man a skirt? In the Bible men wore long tunics that if worn today it would look like a woman's clothes.

What do you think?

It means exactly what it says. Of course, this verse has to be read according to a specific time and place.

What clothing is assigned to each gender will differ from one time and place to another. Fashions and styles are not fixed. They change. Christians are called to be moderate in all things, including our clothing choices. If we go with what is widely expected of each gender, we can't go wrong.

And today it is widely accepted that women can wear pants. In fact, there is specific pants for women that differ from those made for men. It would be a sin for a man to wear blue jeans made for a woman and vice versa.
 
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I believe it really pertains to homosexual and transgender-type behavior as opposed to the actual dress. In Scotland, men wore kilts which is a type of skirt women don't wear. In the West, women wear pants fitted to their bodies and is not intended to make them appear masculine. Men wearing dresses and high heels is an entirely different matter, though. Same goes for girls getting crew cuts and wearing baggy jeans and caps on sideways.
 
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Having grown up with gender dysphoria myself, and once believing that transition would be wrong, since that was the prevalent assumed view, I undertook a very long and determined search through the Scriptures to determine exactly what God had to say about what I was going through. I spent over 5 years searching, and read through the entire Bible 2 or 3 times to justify that which I, and most of you, believe. I also took it upon myself to learn and follow the main tenets of apologetics in that search. I learned a great deal, not only from the Scriptures, but from many other commentaries that I found. The ancient Jewish rabbis wrote great lengthy commentaries on the entire Law and Prophets. They did not share the interpretation already posted by several of you. Most of them viewed this verse as a condemnation of religious sexual practices that were commonplace in that day. A few interpreted this as a condemnation of a practice to include, or else exclude, one from military duty. A woman that dressed as a man in order to fight in battle was not permitted. Also, a man dressing as a woman to stay out of battle was not allowed. The interpretation that this applied to transgender individuals is a rather recent notion historically. I'd also like to point out the rest of the chapter in order to keep it in context. There are numerous prohibitions listed in this chapter. Many of them are being violated by just about everyone, including most who read this post. Including things such as the commandment to build a parapet around your roof, or to not wear clothes of mixed fabrics. The vast majority of those prohibitions are viewed as not pertaining to modern society. You cannot pick and choose which parts of a particular context are in force and which ones are not. That is solely the prerogative of the Holy Spirit. One other point to keep in mind is the context of the entire book of Deuteronomy and its purpose. God viewed the nation of Israel as essentially His wife, and the Jewish people understood this. The book of Deuteronomy was, in essence, the marriage ceremony where God and the Israelites were enjoined. This is clearly seen by reading the first chapter and the thirtieth chapter, where Moses concludes the assembly. Everything between chapter 1 and 30 was spoken to the nation at a single assembly. Take special note of Deut 30:16. This verse is basically the marriage declaration. Now, having pointed out Deuteronomy as the marriage contract between God and Israel, it is obvious that the requirements spoken within were elements of that marriage contract and do not necessarily apply to those outside the nation. That marriage was broken when the Jews rejected Christ, the bridegroom. It is because of Deuteronomy being a contract between God and the Israelites that the prohibitions apply to them alone, just as the vows spoken by any of you at your own marriage do not apply to me or anyone else, but the participants in that marriage alone.
As a side note, let me point out another interesting thing I learned about the apologetic principle of context. Context is not simply the words involved in a particular verse, chapter, or book. There is a context of time, of place, of individuals speaking or spoken to, historical, and cultural. Focusing on the context of culture leads to some interesting discoveries concerning the topic of transgenderism. Culture includes way of life, language, mode of dress, diet, and even ideological common thought. The Jews are unique in the world as probably the most effective at the preservation of their culture. Most of their attitudes and ideological perspectives remain unchanged from biblical times. Even God attested to their propensity to resist change when He referred to them as a always rebellious and stiffnecked people. With that in mind, it's interesting to find that in modern days the Jews refer to transgender individuals as "eunuchs". This is also alluded to by Christ himself in His discussions with His disciples about marriage in Matthew 19. "Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”" I am primarily referring to those who were "born that way". I realize that many, if not most, have great difficulty accepting my decision to transition, and it does hurt me to feel the rejection of my brothers and sisters in Christ. However, I also realize in Christ's own words which I referred to that apparently most will be unable to accept it. In recognition of this fact and in light of Paul's advice to not "cause a brother to stumble" by practices that may disturb them and lead them to a judgmental spirit, I have chosen to remain celibate since regardless of who I were to choose to bond with I could foresee someone taking issue with it. Transsexuality is greatly misunderstood. Most equate it with homosexuality, which is entirely different. I believe the mistake is caused by the "sexuality" syllables within each term. This is regrettable, since transsexuality is not a sexuality issue whatsoever. Rather, it is an issue of internal nature in conflict with external nature. It's all about identity, and has nothing to do with who I'd prefer to pair with.
I find it sad how common it is for people to hold opinions which they may have thought about, but not given any research into to form that opinion. As I have indicated, I once agreed with the general belief that transition was wrong, and I spent a great deal of effort to prove that supposition. The lack of biblical evidence caused me to look deeper into it. Having done so, I then realized why God, who had been incredibly faithful to answer every other prayer and request I had ever made, was so silent with me whenever I begged Him, (for decades), to remove my dysphoria and its underlying cause from me. Effectively, I was asking Him to remove parts of my person that He had created. I was wrong.
 
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If we go with what is widely expected of each gender, we can't go wrong.

Although I understand your intention, I don't look to societal expectations for direction in how I live because their expectations are not always wise or godly. I seek to please Christ.
 
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Stephanie ... thanks so much for sharing what you learned in your study.

When I studied that topic a number of hears ago, I came to see the purity laws of Israel as laws that weren't about right and wrong or good and evil but about their idenity as Israel. Today we have our citizenship that tells which tribe we belong to. 3 thousand years ago it was the customs that told those around which tribe one belonged to. If one wear clothes that confused people if you were an Israelite or a Canaanite it was an abomination. meaning they had committed a taboo not of sin but of not being faithful to the tribe or to the covenant God made with Israel to be a people set apart from the nations around them. I think that is just another way of wording what you said.

Today our purity is defined in Christ. Purity as I see it isn't what clothes I wear but do I identify my self as Christian, a follower of Jesus, or not.
So like you I don't see being transgender as sinful or not. Sorry you have had to stay away from love interests for fear of causing a brother or sister to fall.

HUGZ
 
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Sorry you have had to stay away from love interests for fear of causing a brother or sister to fall.

HUGZ

I appreciate your sentiment. However, I recognize whatever is done for the name of Christ is worth far more than anything I might desire in this life. I consider it gain. I'd just wish I could find more welcome within local assemblies than I have seen thus far. I have always deeply loved corporate worship, and I miss it.
 
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So God is divorced. Interesting.

Jeremiah 3:8 ... And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
 
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Deuteronomy 22:5
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.


What do you think this Bible verse means? Does it mean a woman should not wear pants and a man a skirt? In the Bible men wore long tunics that if worn today it would look like a woman's clothes.

What do you think?
consider this ,some wont like it but there you have it..

No one had trousers, in that time a man, when working wore a robe that ended at the knee ..think Scottish kilt without the pleats...
soldiers also wore shorter skirts...for practical reasons...

now.... apply the verses...

makes you think huh? ;)
 
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The problem with this is when we look at the professional workforce and women dress in pants. They look professional but still wear pants as men do. Is this really a sin? What are women in the business elite and tight economic circles supposed to do if they want to be seen and respected by their male counterparts?
 
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The problem with this is when we look at the professional workforce and women dress in pants. They look professional but still wear pants as men do. Is this really a sin? What are women in the business elite and tight economic circles supposed to do if they want to be seen and respected by their male counterparts?
now go back ,read what I pointed out and then re-read the verse with that in mind .
 
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No, I do not think this applies how you dress so much as why you dress that way. This would apply to those who wish to emulate the opposite gender by what they wear. Crossdressing, in other words, is against God's will as it seeks to change what He fundamentally ordained you to be as a man or woman.

Yes. In the first century, men and women wore basically the same items of clothing that differed between males and females in types of fabrics, colors, trim, and the way they were fitted to the body.

In other words, the difference between male and female clothing then was about the difference between a man's business suit and a woman's business suit today. They were easily able to tell whether a man was wearing a woman's toga, just as we can easily tell whether a man is wearing a woman's pants suit.
 
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Yes. In the first century, men and women wore basically the same items of clothing that differed between males and females in types of fabrics, colors, trim, and the way they were fitted to the body.

In other words, the difference between male and female clothing then was about the difference between a man's business suit and a woman's business suit today. They were easily able to tell whether a man was wearing a woman's toga, just as we can easily tell whether a man is wearing a woman's pants suit.
a study of ancient art shows men had long robes or coats that were removed for work .the more practical clthing for labor (also soldiers)was a robe that stopped at the knee .mens attire.the verse is stating this was not acceptable for woman to wear....
 
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a study of ancient art shows men had long robes or coats that were removed for work .the more practical clthing for labor (also soldiers)was a robe that stopped at the knee .mens attire.the verse is stating this was not acceptable for woman to wear....

Women wore the same sort of tunic under their own robes. No, you won't see much "art" of women in only those robes because it wasn't very "artful" (lovely) and women certainly didn't go out in public in only their tunics. You have to go into the literature for that.
 
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if there was no difference in male /female apparel,then the verse is senseless.
even today in the middle east the distinction is clear.

i think the test is in ones heart reaction to being told.

ie- tell a western woman in church Dont wear short skirts and what reaction do you get...?

rebellion is the word that comes to mind....
 
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My wife is currently employed at a department store. She spends most the day climbing ladders and getting stock. It would be completely inappropriate for her to wear skirts to work. When you really think about it, this verse just isn't practical at all (in its literal interpretation) for a modern society. I think the moral behind the verse, though, had to do with "womans clothing" and "mens clothing." Fact is, pants today are made for women, not just men. If people are going to take this verse to its most literal interpretation and say women can only wear skirts because of it, then there are many more items of clothing than pants that were originally made for men that women should avoid.
 
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if there was no difference in male /female apparel,then the verse is senseless.
even today in the middle east the distinction is clear.

i think the test is in ones heart reaction to being told.

ie- tell a western woman in church Dont wear short skirts and what reaction do you get...?

rebellion is the word that comes to mind....

As I said earlier:

Yes. In the first century, men and women wore basically the same items of clothing that differed between males and females in types of fabrics, colors, trim, and the way they were fitted to the body.

In other words, the difference between male and female clothing then was about the difference between a man's business suit and a woman's business suit today. They were easily able to tell whether a man was wearing a woman's toga, just as we can easily tell whether a man is wearing a woman's pants suit.
 
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