Zec 12-13, Bringing the Jews home to Christ

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then you've misunderstood Paul's answers in Rom 9-11. He is dealing with the question, why don't more ethnic Jews believe? The answer is that neither faith nor Israel has ever been connected to an ethnos. All his examples of not matching any ethnos are from the OT! 9:26 says the "we" or "elect" or "remnant" of God is those who believe, not matter what background. He gives past, present and future examples of this in Rom 11:1-4.

Because of that, it now makes sense why the land does not figure anywhere in the NT view of restoration of Israel or Israel's fortunes or its destiny. God's Israel is anyone who believes the resurrection for their justification from sin, Acts 13's sermon says.
 
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then you've misunderstood Paul's answers in Rom 9-11. He is dealing with the question, why don't more ethnic Jews believe? The answer is that neither faith nor Israel has ever been connected to an ethnos. All his examples of not matching any ethnos are from the OT! 9:26 says the "we" or "elect" or "remnant" of God is those who believe, not matter what background. He gives past, present and future examples of this in Rom 11:1-4.

Because of that, it now makes sense why the land does not figure anywhere in the NT view of restoration of Israel or Israel's fortunes or its destiny. God's Israel is anyone who believes the resurrection for their justification from sin, Acts 13's sermon says.
What verse or verses in Paul's sermon in Acts 13 does he say that "God's Israel is anyone who believes the resurrection for their justification from sin"? I don't seem to be able to find it.
 
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So the Church is not yet His Body?

Rom_7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
 
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I'm sorry... was that directed to me?...I though you and I were finished...I guess not. ;)

You seem like you needed help.

Here is some more..

Its clear that while I can certainly help you, you are beyond helping me..

1Co 12:27 Now you are Christ's body, and individually members of it.

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware.
1Co 12:2 You know that when you were pagans, you were led astray to the mute idols, however you were led.
1Co 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
1Co 12:4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons.
1Co 12:7 But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.
1Co 12:8 For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit;
1Co 12:9 to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,
1Co 12:10 and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues.
1Co 12:11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.
1Co 12:12 For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
1Co 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.
1Co 12:15 If the foot says, "Because I am not a hand, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body.
1Co 12:16 And if the ear says, "Because I am not an eye, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body.
1Co 12:17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were hearing, where would the sense of smell be?
1Co 12:18 But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired.
1Co 12:19 If they were all one member, where would the body be?
1Co 12:20 But now there are many members, but one body.
1Co 12:21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you"; or again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you."
1Co 12:22 On the contrary, it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary;
1Co 12:23 and those members of the body which we deem less honorable, on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable,
1Co 12:24 whereas our more presentable members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked,
1Co 12:25 so that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another.
1Co 12:26 And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.
 
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Yup!!!!

It's even more simple than that.

One today is either "In Christ" or "in Adam"

Being Jew or Gentile has no bearing on either group.

Jews and Gentiles today are all regarded equally by God and are simply part of the many ethnic classes in the family of man (Eph. 3:15), and There is not one ethnic group (or "race") of men today that is in any sense rejected by God or favored by God over others, but all are freely accepted in Christ.
 
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Rom 11:1 I ask, then, has God rejected His own people, the nation of Israel? Of course not! I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham and a member of the tribe of Benjamin.

Rom 11:2 No, God has not rejected His own people, whom He chose from the very beginning. Do you realize what the Scriptures say about this? Elijah the prophet complained to God about the people of Israel and said,

Rom 11:7 So this is the situation: Most of the people of Israel have not found the favor of God they are looking for so earnestly. A few have—the ones God has chosen—but the hearts of the rest were hardened.

Rom 11:11 Did God's people stumble and fall beyond recovery? Of course not! They were disobedient, so God made salvation available to the Gentiles. But He wanted His own people to become jealous and claim it for themselves.

Rom 11:15 For since their rejection meant that God offered salvation to the rest of the world, their acceptance will be even more wonderful. It will be life for those who were dead!

Rom 11:18 But you must not brag about being grafted in to replace the branches that were broken off. You are just a branch, not the root.

Rom 11:23 And if the people of Israel turn from their unbelief, they will be grafted in again, for God has the power to graft them back into the tree.

Rom 11:25 I want you to understand this mystery, dear brothers and sisters, so that you will not feel proud about yourselves. Some of the people of Israel have hard hearts, but this will last only until the full number of Gentiles comes to Christ.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel will be saved. As the Scriptures say, "The One who rescues will come from Jerusalem, and He will turn Israel away from ungodliness.

Rom 11:27 And this is My covenant with them, that I will take away their sins."
 
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You seem like you needed help.
Nope. Thanks anyway.


Here is some more..

Its clear that while I can certainly help you, you are beyond helping me..

1Co 12:27 Now you are Christ's body, and individually members of it.

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware.
1Co 12:2 You know that when you were pagans, you were led astray to the mute idols, however you were led.
1Co 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
1Co 12:4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons.
1Co 12:7 But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.
1Co 12:8 For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit;
1Co 12:9 to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,
1Co 12:10 and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues.
1Co 12:11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.
1Co 12:12 For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
1Co 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.
1Co 12:15 If the foot says, "Because I am not a hand, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body.
1Co 12:16 And if the ear says, "Because I am not an eye, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body.
1Co 12:17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were hearing, where would the sense of smell be?
1Co 12:18 But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired.
1Co 12:19 If they were all one member, where would the body be?
1Co 12:20 But now there are many members, but one body.
1Co 12:21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you"; or again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you."
1Co 12:22 On the contrary, it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary;
1Co 12:23 and those members of the body which we deem less honorable, on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable,
1Co 12:24 whereas our more presentable members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked,
1Co 12:25 so that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another.
1Co 12:26 And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.
I find nothing to disagree with here, nor was I making any claims of disagreement, so I'm curious why you have invented the notion that I disgaree with any of this?

I was addressing another posters apparent contention that only AFTER the wedding of Christ and the Church would the Church be "the Body of Christ".

Not my position at all.

And sorry, you don't get to dictate that our future interactions be a one way conversation. This is a debate/discussion board, not a dictation board.

If you truly don't want to interact with me, by all means don't... but if you say you "are finished with me", but keep addressing me, you should expect that I will respond when I sense that you are in need of correction and reproof.
 
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You haven't posted anything in 4 days bro....While I take weekends off, you can do a quick search and find Monday - Friday I post consistently and have been doing so since 2002.

... nobody has taken over the forum, LOL
 
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