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Matt 16:18-20 is malice and deceit?
No, that be Jesus, but it could ALS be PETER...
What's the question?
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Who was the first pope?
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Amen! Yes, we know Christ is front and center and accept what He says in all respects and domains. It's you folks that limit that to what's in the Bible.I am blunt too. So forgive me.
There can be NO COMMONALITY until the Lord Jesus is front and center and accept what HE says in.. all ...respects and domains.
Why are you relying on something outside of Scripture to interpret Scripture?As to differences? There is ONE aspect of that very term we MUST observe:
Phil 1:10 That ye may approve things that are... excellent.....that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;
Strong's Greek Definition for # 1308 1308 // diaferw // diaphero // dee-af-er'-o // from 1223 and 5342 ; TDNT - 9:62,1252 AV - be better 3, be of more value 2, differ from 2, should carry 1, publish 1, drive up and down 1, misc 3; 13 1) to bear or carry through any place 2) to carry different ways 2a) to carry in different directions, to different places 2a1) of people who are carried hither and thither in a ship, driven to and fro
Other than the Ark of the Covenant...
After Acts 28 our sights are set on theHeaven far above ALL Heavens for the very first time!
Thank God for Paul...AND...Martin Luther!
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The Scriptures are NOT leavened. It would be to your advantage to eliminate the chaff you cast about.
FYI the Scriptures were NOT originally in the English. The words the Holy Ghost teacheth are in the Greek and Hebrew.
Jesus Christ was the...MEDIATOR... of covenants
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Well it does, pretty much, as far as Roman Catholicism is concerned. The primacy of Rome means that it's voice is the most authoritative. That's basically what the papacy is- primacy.
The Pope is the highest human priest, which dictates that he is the harbinger, ultimately, of God's will.
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Mary is the New Ark of the Covenant. Literally.
Marinate on that, protestants
Matt 12:35-37
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That ....every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.......
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
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Do you understand what the Pope is, other then being a successor of Peter in Roman dogma?
He is the highest human priest; the direct subordinate of Christ.
That much needs to be illustrated before I can continue this debate- that is what the papacy is.
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Huh? Let me ask you a question...are all words written?
But if you want to go by the Bible alone, why do you rely on outside sources to explain it to you?
Yes, but the Ark of the Covenant is real...We see it in heaven in Revelation...
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The NATION failed to be priests as promised for they could NOT hold their end of the bargain so the priesthood was given to the LEVITES. There WILL be a day, as seen in Revelation, they will be suitable for that position. THAT position will be under the NEW COVENANT.
There ARE no comparisons to the Levitical priesthood. Those comparisons are manufactured to suit...YOUR...need and not mine.
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Well, we certainly can't "debate" the issue that's before us if we're all required first to affirm your theory about the bishop of Rome being the "direct subordinate" of God--whatever that means. But we'll try to carry on without your colorful input. I especially loved your explanation that Mary is, literally, an ark.
Sorry, no. "Primacy" means being first in standing in some way, not "most authoritative." The primacy that was given to the bishop of Rome was a primacy of honor--a position that he still claims and many Protestants are willing to accord him merely because of the prominence of the city of Rome and the bishopric of Rome in history.
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Not affirm.. simply recognize what we see the papacy as.
Mary being the New Ark is deduced in Roman dogma. She gave birth to the New Covenant.
Standing in some way.. as in primary. The primary standing.
There you go grinding semantics again. What does it matter if the Church is who assigned those words? It's in their context, and the dogmas are what they are.
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Well, they were on my boat to begin with, so there wouldn't be any jumping needed
Part of being Roman Catholic is that we all agree on dogma.. that's sort of the underlying principle of- dogma.
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Would you like 16 of us to hit the quote button and say "Yeah! What he said!"?
Yeah! What he said.
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Are you doing the twist here to say that your priesthood is an extension of ole Mel? I hope not.... for HIS priesthood is DIRECTLY related to Christ Himself. Leave it alone.
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