*This* is the problem with "New CF"

And "thanks" to Codger for reminding us that this one was offered later in another vain hope of getting something conservative as a statement so that we could get our forum going. It's the same one, but as per AV1611's attempt, shorter, since one complaint was that we didn't need something broad. And this is taken from a different time in our discussion just to show that we kept working and trying.

Conservative Christians Forum


Conservative Christianity is defined by its allegiance to the Holy Scriptures and the traditional beliefs and teachings of the Christian Church on issues of theology and morality.

JimfromOhio said:

Sounds good but still pretty broad.

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OK Jim. Here's what we got back from Talitha in reply to AV1611's somewhat briefer statement intended to meet the objections of those who called Simon's statement too broad:

"Albion, I believe that the meaning of the word "conservative" needs to be broader "

On July 25, on the Liberal Trollers thread, Ragged Robin attempted to approach it from the impartial dictionary direction. I supported it, but again, opposition

Conservative

A person whose political or religious beliefs are centered on tradition and keeping things the way they are.

Antonyms leftist, liberal, progressive

Christianity

1 : the religion derived from Jesus Christ , based on the Bible as sacred scripture, and professed by Eastern, Roman Catholic, and Protestant bodies
2 : conformity to the Christian religion

Albion said:

On July 25, on the Liberal Trollers thread, Ragged Robin attempted to approach it from the impartial dictionary direction. I supported it, but again, opposition

Conservative

A person whose political or religious beliefs are centered on tradition and keeping things the way they are.

Antonyms leftist, liberal, progressive

Christianity

1 : the religion derived from Jesus Christ , based on the Bible as sacred scripture, and professed by Eastern, Roman Catholic, and Protestant bodies
2 : conformity to the Christian religion

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Bible study, discipleship, and others are the heartbeat of conservative evangelicalism. Many of us within the conservative circle would not deny the importance of biblical truths, worship, fellowship, or evangelism in the Christian life. Are we going to be "ultra-conservative"?

With the concept of the primary definition of conservative is "Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change." The more I am "conservative" in my convictions, but more liberal and flexible in my opinions. On the topics of theology and salvation doctrine, I will always hold those convictions with gaining depth in understanding, but not changing as I get older. As I grow, my comments can be considered "liberal" in some areas, others perceive me as "hard line" biblically. It is clear that the bible do not use labeling except: "only those with Christ or without". One Christian's conservative is another Christian's liberal. I am very conservative because I desire for the Gospel and sticking to my core biblical beliefs.

JimfromOhio said:

My question is this: "traditional beliefs and teachings of the Christian Church" .......

Is it based on our denominational tradition?

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No. The forum is not titled that way.

We do submit to the Church's authority as long as they are following according to the Word of God, Tradition and Denomination's (or local Church's) membership rules.

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When the word "tradition" or "traditional" have been used in proposed statement, it has meant the customary or standard, not a theological meaning about how doctrine might be set.

Before Holy Scriptures came along, traditions were relied on.

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See the above.


Jim, we have to have a statement or we have no forum. It has in some way to refer to conservative beliefs and values. At least you are driving in that direction if it could be explained satisfactorally to you, I think. On any issues where there is a divide between the denoms that is longstanding, both have their place here.

But if someone says, "The Holy Spirit just told me that Mary was the Mother of Pontius Pilate," we'd have BENCHMARKS, STANDARDS, etc. to go by in deciding if that is a valid point of debate. The Church, nor any significant number of Chrstians ever held to that idea so no, it is not, conservative Christianity, even if the speaker could put together two verses from scripture with a big speculation and say that it's his view of the scriptures, like it or not.

JimfromOhio said:

Bible study, discipleship, and others are the heartbeat of conservative evangelicalism. Many of us within the conservative circle would not deny the importance of biblical truths, worship, fellowship, or evangelism in the Christian life. Are we going to be "ultra-conservative"?

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Look, we're being denied the ability to be conservative. Are we now going to worry about "how" conservative one is--moderately conservative, ultra conservative, etc.? I don't even know how to define those terms or if there really is such a definition, but we're not hoping to lock people out with a hypernarrow definition. As it is, NO ONE is locked out from debating at length, including Liberals. Is that better?

With the concept of the primary definition of conservative is "Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change." The more I am "conservative" in my convictions, but more liberal and flexible in my opinions.

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The definition has nothing to do with flexibility or the person doing the posting. It is about ideas.

On the topics of theology and salvation doctrine, I will always hold those convictions with gaining depth in understanding, but not changing as I get older. As I grow, my comments can be considered "liberal" in some areas, others perceive me as "hard line" biblically. It is clear that the bible do not use labeling except: "only those with Christ or without". One Christian's conservative is another Christian's liberal. I am very conservative because I desire for the Gospel and sticking to my core biblical beliefs.

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What YOUR own beliefs are is not the issue, nor is the perception of others who may well be totally wrong. To conserve the faith and values of Christianity is all that we are hoping to include in the definition. Why that is so impossible to get done, I am not sure. An uneasiness about some group taking over? Right now, they are all invited to try, since we don't say anything about conservative Christianity in our official statements.

Well, Jim, you asked, and I tried to accomodate you. I''m worn out now.

I just recieved a report of a link to a personal web site promoting traffoc there. This is a direct violation of 3.1 and no changes to the wiki will chnage that.

Wiki rules can not be in disagreement with CF forum wide rules.

Anymore of these links will be removed as they are direct violation and are subject to debate.

See this report for referance

http://www.christianforums.com/t579...ians-raggedrobin-07-29-2007.html#post37164301

GreenMunchkin said:

It's still there. Along with threads supporting paedophilia and inappropriate behavior with animals and a world of blasphemy. We actually share members and mods. If anyone can explain how that's not an affront to God, I'd be grateful, but as things stand, am thinking up ways to destroy the internet.

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Thanks for the warning.

I've no desire to even know about what goes on there and will avoid it entirely. Thanks.

In Him,

GreenMunchkin said:

There is a forum that people refer to as ~E~ which, for people who don't know, stands for IIDB; Internet Infidels. It's a horrible, horrible place, and I've only ever managed to spend a few minutes there about 3 times.

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Oh yes. I'm a member there. Quite a few people here at CF post in ~E~ about yours truly, the CC forum. They bash, ridicule and trash-talk members here behind their backs. Since last night I've been in a fight with some of them over there and here at CF over just that sort of trash-talking. They love to talk about people and threads in this forum, often posting links to the discussions so they can all gossip-monger about it there.

IIDB members reading this and not like being called out on it? Deal with it.

Mind you, there are some truly nice and sincere people there... I'm not trying to lump them all in one basket. However, there is a signifcant number who's only reason for existence seems to be for the purpose of ridiculing and maligning CC members.

GreenMunchkin said:

No, granted, there are some lovely people there who tend not to get involved in the two-faced gossip-mongering. I saw your posts, though, about people using IIDB to attempt to black-ball Aadiya. Their sheer lack of integrity and Christian kindness is woeful.

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Yes, they were very shameful.... and unlike them I say that at IIDB and here at CF.

GreenMunchkin said:

No, granted, there are some lovely people there who tend not to get involved in the two-faced gossip-mongering. I saw your posts, though, about people using IIDB to attempt to black-ball Aadiya. Their sheer lack of integrity and Christian kindness is woeful.

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Notice the number of ~E denizens now on FOUR.MS staff?
Not surprising.

I was interested to see this thread still active. There is a wealth of CF history here.

Holy thread necromancy! Wow - this brought back some memories! It was a crazy time at CF when this thread was active. Many people at CF were very unhappy with the way CF was being moderated. Other people liked the way it was being moderated. The unhappy felt they had nowhere to discuss their unhappiness. So they found a home at the Internet Infidels ~Elsewhere forum to air their grievances. Some of the cross-posters also used the ~Elsewhere forum to complain about other posters at CF.

Erwin (the former owner) was also a member of IIDB - but really only so he could talk to the IIDB administration. He petitioned us to close the CF thread in ~Elsewhere because it was causing so much trouble. We declined his request - but from time to time we would do favors for Erwin (covertly).

All the drama around moderation here eventually led Erwin to try the failed "Rule by Wiki" experiment, where the users would create the rules. It was like throwing a bunch of angry cats in a bag and telling them to work it out

Eventually Erwin sold ChristianForums, and things returned to relative calm. Although we did lose the General Apologetics forums here at CF. Too many Christians were deconverting because of their experiences in that forum.

It was interesting times.

PS. And Tas - I have not seen you around in an EON! How are you doing?

PSS. Whoa - I just noticed that this thread is now in a forum that I am no longer welcome in. I shall cease and desist posting here. My apologies.

Yes They sure were amazing times

Hey...familiar names here. How goes it, Tas?

Grizzly said:

PS. And Tas - I have not seen you around in an EON! How are you doing?

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Joykins said:

Hey...familiar names here. How goes it, Tas?

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Yep Fine Still posting

Wow.
Hey Grizzly, Tas and Joykins!

Annabel!

Joykins said:

Hey...familiar names here. How goes it, Tas?

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Annabel Lee said:

Wow.
Hey Grizzly, Tas and Joykins!

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