Does the earth go 'round the sun or vice versa?

Do you believe the earth goes around the sun or vice versa?

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sculleywr

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I honestly believe the bible when it says the sun goes round the earth. Either way, it does not matter, so I don't really worry about it.

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Except it doesn't say the sun goes round the earth and we see the earth going around the sun. The geocentric belief is based on a dynamic equivalent translation of Hebrew/Greek statements about the beginning or end of the day.
 
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Except it doesn't say the sun goes round the earth and we see the earth going around the sun. The geocentric belief is based on a dynamic equivalent translation of Hebrew/Greek statements about the beginning or end of the day.

Wouldnt you say that regardless of what youve been shown, that the only way to truly know for yourself is to go to outer space and verify the claim objectively?

I mean, I dont exactly know whats going on in space, nor would I presume to, Ive never been.

Its not a matter of insecurity to think that satan through his agencies and those who would financially and logistically have the ability to pull off a 50 year hoax..

Heck, you never saw "ufo's" until after Israel reformed.. Then all of a sudden evolution makes a come back..


Man, to be honest.. I dont know what I believe, but I know God is true, at the end of the day no matter what, God is always true..


thats the intp talking perhaps..
 
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Personally if the bible says something, I will believe it. In my opinion, you can't trust any human on this earth. You never know when lies are about. But I can trust God and the Holy Bible to be true. I'm sure God created everything, so He defiantly knows everything about what He has made!

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Jos 10:13 So the sun stood still and the moon stayed in place until the nation of Israel had defeated its enemies. Is this event not recorded in The Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the middle of the sky, and it did not set as on a normal day.

Jos 10:14 There has never been a day like this one before or since, when the LORD answered such a prayer. Surely the LORD fought for Israel that day!

Ecc 1:5 The sun rises and the sun sets, then hurries around to rise again.

Psa 93:1 The LORD is king! He is robed in majesty. Indeed, the LORD is robed in majesty and armed with strength. The world stands firm and cannot be shaken.
 
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Wouldnt you say that regardless of what youve been shown, that the only way to truly know for yourself is to go to outer space and verify the claim objectively?

I mean, I dont exactly know whats going on in space, nor would I presume to, Ive never been.

Its not a matter of insecurity to think that satan through his agencies and those who would financially and logistically have the ability to pull off a 50 year hoax..

Heck, you never saw "ufo's" until after Israel reformed.. Then all of a sudden evolution makes a come back..


Man, to be honest.. I dont know what I believe, but I know God is true, at the end of the day no matter what, God is always true..


thats the intp talking perhaps..
The thing is, we can see what is out there. I have seen the sun. Yeshuasavedme, another user on here, exposed even more of what goes into Geocentrism: the sun (which I can look at myself just down the road through a very nice observatory funded by the University of Tennessee) is a giant electric lamp orbiting the earth.

This despite what we know about the sun, which is summed up pretty well in this very fun song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zbgul1NpEA8
 
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Psalms 19:4-6
yet their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes forth like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and like a strong man runs his course with joy. Its rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them; and there is nothing hid from its heat.

Bout all I can find..
 
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Personally if the bible says something, I will believe it. In my opinion, you can't trust any human on this earth. You never know when lies are about. But I can trust God and the Holy Bible to be true. I'm sure God created everything, so He defiantly knows everything about what He has made!

God Bless

And if the Bible is silent on something, then it would be logical to assume that God does not have any doctrinal opinion on it, meaning it only matters that we know what we observe. We observe the earth in orbit around the moon in the same way we observe a ball fall on the earth.
 
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The thing is, we can see what is out there. I have seen the sun. Yeshuasavedme, another user on here, exposed even more of what goes into Geocentrism: the sun (which I can look at myself just down the road through a very nice observatory funded by the University of Tennessee) is a giant electric lamp orbiting the earth.

This despite what we know about the sun, which is summed up pretty well in this very fun song:

I get the jab, but its still pretty funny bro..:p

"this very fun song".


Got me crackin up bro...
 
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Personally if the bible says something, I will believe it. In my opinion, you can't trust any human on this earth. You never know when lies are about. But I can trust God and the Holy Bible to be true. I'm sure God created everything, so He defiantly knows everything about what He has made!

God Bless

Well I guess you will be coming out of the closet and admit not so modern science has been trying to discredit the bible for over 400 years about the earth orbits the sun: because the bible is very axiomatic about the sun is moving and not the earth; check these verses out.

Sixty-Seven Scriptural References
Which Tell Us That It Is The Sun
And Not The Earth That Moves
Genesis 15:12...... "...and when the sun was going down..."
15:17..... "...when the sun went down..."
19:23..... "The sun was risen upon the earth."
28:11..... "...because the sun was set...."
32:31..... "...the sun rose...."
Exodus 17:12..... "...until the going down of the sun...."
22:3...... "...if the sun be risen upon him...."
22:26.... "...the sun goeth down...."
Leviticus 22:7...... "...And when the sun is down...."
Numbers 2:3........ "...toward the rising of the sun...."
Deuteronomy 11:30..... "...the way where the sun goeth down...."
16:6....... "...at the going down of the sun...."
23:11..... "...when the sun is down...."
24:13..... "...when the sun goeth down...."
24:15..... "...neither shall the sun go down...."
Joshua 1:4..... "...the going down of the sun...."
8:29... "...as soon as the sun was down...."
10:12.. "...Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon...."
10:13.. "...and the sun stood still...."
10:27.. "...the time of the going down of the sun...."
12:1.... "...toward the rising of the sun...."
Judges 5:31.... "...as the sun when he goeth down...."
8:13.... "...before the sun was up...."
9:33.... "...as soon as the sun is up...."
14:18.... "...before the sun went down...."
19:14.... "...and the sun went down...."
II Samuel 2:24.... "...the sun went down...."
3:35.... "...till the sun be down...."
23:4..... "...when the sun riseth...."
I Kings 22:36.... "...the going down of the sun...."
I Chronicles 16:30.... "...the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved...."
II Chronicles 18:34.... "...time of the sun going down...."
Job 9:7.... "...commandeth the sun and it riseth not...."
Job 26:7.... "...He hangeth the earth upon nothing...."
Psalm 19:4.... "...tabernacle for the sun...."
19:5 ... "...cometh out to run...."
19:6.... "...goes forth in a circle from one end of heaven to the other...."
50:1.... "...from the rising of the sun...."
93:1.... "...the world also is stablished that it cannot be moved...."
104:19.. "...the sun knoweth his going down...."
104:22.. "...the sun ariseth...."
113:3.... "...from the rising of the sun...."
Ecclesiastes 1:5.... "...The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down
and hasteth to the place where he arose...."
Isaiah 13:10.... "...sun shall be darkened in his going...."
38:8...... "...is gone down on the sundial of Ahaz...."
38:8...... "...so the sun returned...."
41:25.... "...from the rising of the sun...."
45:6...... "...from the rising of the sun...."
59:19.... "...from the rising of the sun...."
60:20.... "...the sun shall no more go down...."
Jeremiah 15:9.... "...her sun is gone down while it was yet day...."
Daniel 6:14.... "...going down of the sun...."
Amos 8:9.... "...cause the sun to go down at noon...."
Jonah 4:8.... "...when the sun did arise...."
Micah 3:6.... "...and the sun shall go down...."
Nahum 3:17.... "...when the sun ariseth...."
Habakkuk 3:11.... "...the sun and moon stood still in their habitation...."
Malachi 1:11.... "...from the rising of the sun...."
Matthew 5:45.... "...for He maketh His sun to rise...."
13:6..... "...and when the sun was up...."
Mark 1:32.... "...when the sun did set...."
4:6...... "...when the sun was up...."
16:2...... "...at the rising of the sun...."
Luke 4:40.... "...when the sun was setting...."
Ephesians 4:26.... "...let not the sun go down upon your wrath...."
James 1:11.... "...for the sun is no sooner risen...."
That is a Total of 67 Verses in 35 Books of the Bible Which Say
that It Is the Sun that Moves and Not the Earth!
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that It Is the Earth that Moves and Not the Sun:
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Well I guess you will be coming out of the closet and admit not so modern science has been trying to discredit the bible for over 400 years about the earth orbits the sun: because the bible is very axiomatic about the sun is moving and not the earth; check these verses out.

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Science is a joke.

God Bless
 
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Well I guess you will be coming out of the closet and admit not so modern science has been trying to discredit the bible for over 400 years about the earth orbits the sun: because the bible is very axiomatic about the sun is moving and not the earth; check these verses out.

Sixty-Seven Scriptural References
Which Tell Us That It Is The Sun
And Not The Earth That Moves
Genesis 15:12...... "...and when the sun was going down..."
15:17..... "...when the sun went down..."
19:23..... "The sun was risen upon the earth."
28:11..... "...because the sun was set...."
32:31..... "...the sun rose...."
Exodus 17:12..... "...until the going down of the sun...."
22:3...... "...if the sun be risen upon him...."
22:26.... "...the sun goeth down...."
Leviticus 22:7...... "...And when the sun is down...."
Numbers 2:3........ "...toward the rising of the sun...."
Deuteronomy 11:30..... "...the way where the sun goeth down...."
16:6....... "...at the going down of the sun...."
23:11..... "...when the sun is down...."
24:13..... "...when the sun goeth down...."
24:15..... "...neither shall the sun go down...."
Joshua 1:4..... "...the going down of the sun...."
8:29... "...as soon as the sun was down...."
10:12.. "...Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon...."
10:13.. "...and the sun stood still...."
10:27.. "...the time of the going down of the sun...."
12:1.... "...toward the rising of the sun...."
Judges 5:31.... "...as the sun when he goeth down...."
8:13.... "...before the sun was up...."
9:33.... "...as soon as the sun is up...."
14:18.... "...before the sun went down...."
19:14.... "...and the sun went down...."
II Samuel 2:24.... "...the sun went down...."
3:35.... "...till the sun be down...."
23:4..... "...when the sun riseth...."
I Kings 22:36.... "...the going down of the sun...."
I Chronicles 16:30.... "...the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved...."
II Chronicles 18:34.... "...time of the sun going down...."
Job 9:7.... "...commandeth the sun and it riseth not...."
Job 26:7.... "...He hangeth the earth upon nothing...."
Psalm 19:4.... "...tabernacle for the sun...."
19:5 ... "...cometh out to run...."
19:6.... "...goes forth in a circle from one end of heaven to the other...."
50:1.... "...from the rising of the sun...."
93:1.... "...the world also is stablished that it cannot be moved...."
104:19.. "...the sun knoweth his going down...."
104:22.. "...the sun ariseth...."
113:3.... "...from the rising of the sun...."
Ecclesiastes 1:5.... "...The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down
and hasteth to the place where he arose...."
Isaiah 13:10.... "...sun shall be darkened in his going...."
38:8...... "...is gone down on the sundial of Ahaz...."
38:8...... "...so the sun returned...."
41:25.... "...from the rising of the sun...."
45:6...... "...from the rising of the sun...."
59:19.... "...from the rising of the sun...."
60:20.... "...the sun shall no more go down...."
Jeremiah 15:9.... "...her sun is gone down while it was yet day...."
Daniel 6:14.... "...going down of the sun...."
Amos 8:9.... "...cause the sun to go down at noon...."
Jonah 4:8.... "...when the sun did arise...."
Micah 3:6.... "...and the sun shall go down...."
Nahum 3:17.... "...when the sun ariseth...."
Habakkuk 3:11.... "...the sun and moon stood still in their habitation...."
Malachi 1:11.... "...from the rising of the sun...."
Matthew 5:45.... "...for He maketh His sun to rise...."
13:6..... "...and when the sun was up...."
Mark 1:32.... "...when the sun did set...."
4:6...... "...when the sun was up...."
16:2...... "...at the rising of the sun...."
Luke 4:40.... "...when the sun was setting...."
Ephesians 4:26.... "...let not the sun go down upon your wrath...."
James 1:11.... "...for the sun is no sooner risen...."
That is a Total of 67 Verses in 35 Books of the Bible Which Say
that It Is the Sun that Moves and Not the Earth!
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The seemly unlimited justification that God is lying and man's wisdom is better than his word is laughable if they didn't really deceive the people called by his name.
 
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Well I guess you will be coming out of the closet and admit not so modern science has been trying to discredit the bible for over 400 years about the earth orbits the sun: because the bible is very axiomatic about the sun is moving and not the earth; check these verses out.
-snipped because they were figures of speech from English used in place of literal translations-
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Those verses are mistranslated from Hebrew/Greek phrases that meant "at the beginning of the day" or "at the end of the day."

Now, notice, I never said the sun DOESN'T move. I said the earth orbits the sun. The sun, however, orbits the center of the Galaxy, which is, itself, speeding through space toward another galaxy.

Please, Jacob, launch yourself into space on a trip to the moon to try to prove this. It's very simple. We will change the math available from NASA to include a geocentric model.

We will have another spaceship ready to run out and retrieve you using the science of the real world. All you will have to do is call us when you realize that your bad math earned you a one way trip off of the planet, never to return.
 
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And really science falsely called is a joke; because real observable science clearly indicates the sun moves and not the earth.
Nope. I've observed the sun. I've observed the earth.

The earth orbits the sun. I've seen it. Period. End of discussion.

you are wrong and you continue to spread the invention of the Babylonians around long after EVERYONE disproved it
 
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Our own eyes tell us that the sun rises and sets. We even say, "the sun is rising," "the sun is setting". Why does it sound so far out when someone says the sun actually has a circuit? It is because a spinning earth hurling through "space" (actually the firmament) like a ball shot out of a canon has been pounded into our heads from our youth. We succumbed to the teaching assault. We did not know any better. I believed it until someone showed me what the scriptures have to say about it--and then in a moment of time I was free from that deception. Are you like that? Where all you need is the scripture to quickly dismantle any lie that you have believed? whether that lie came from Mother, Father, teacher, textbook, dictionary, or preacher? Sun worship is not dead, it has just taken on more sophisticated forms. I've seen poetry by one of the early heliocentrists actually magnifying the sun (I read it in "Geocentricity" by Dr. Gerardus Bouw--Dr. Bouw is a former atheist with a Phd in Astronomy). Baal is not dead. He has a new generation of ignorant worshippers. Even the so-called "Christian" textbook publishers magnify heliocentrists like Nicolas Copernicus, Galileo, and Kepler but practically ignore Tycho Brahe--the Noble Dane and the "Prince of Astronomers"--his beliefs, his findings. Tycho Brahe created the greatest naked eye astronomical instrumentation known to mankind. He took astronomy to a whole new level. This fact is undisputed. He knew about Copernicus' proclamations and rejected them on both scriptural and scientific grounds (for the record, the Tychonic model is not the same as the Ptolemaic system). King James delighted in the knowledge he learned in Tycho Brahe's laboratory.

Unsurprisingly, heliocentrist experiments to prove the motion of the earth have FAILED. These experiments have been deliberately ignored by universities because they support geocentricity.

...But a disciple does not need all this proof. A disciple ONLY needs the scriptures to prove to him what is true. One day I was in an audience when Dr. Bouw pointed out specific scriptures concerning the motion of the sun. That was ALL I needed to hear to change my mind. God showed me all the rest of these facts later on. Many, many things have worked out like that in my life. Are you like that? Where if the scriptures say it, you will believe it even if the world thinks you are some kind of fool? The earth is NOT hurling through "space" reeling to and fro like some drunken man. We've been deceived, don't know what the ecliptic is, cannot properly explain the seasons, and cannot tell the tropic of capricorn from the tropic of cancer because we don't know what the sun is doing...But in places where real astronomy is necessary--like in aeronautics--the geocentric model is still used.
SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION OF GEOCENTRICITY
 
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Those verses are mistranslated from Hebrew/Greek phrases that meant "at the beginning of the day" or "at the end of the day."

Now, notice, I never said the sun DOESN'T move. I said the earth orbits the sun. The sun, however, orbits the center of the Galaxy, which is, itself, speeding through space toward another galaxy.

Please, Jacob, launch yourself into space on a trip to the moon to try to prove this. It's very simple. We will change the math available from NASA to include a geocentric model.

We will have another spaceship ready to run out and retrieve you using the science of the real world. All you will have to do is call us when you realize that your bad math earned you a one way trip off of the planet, never to return.

O that sounds so familiar "Yea hath God said" amazing how it always relates to the same old thing; "that's not what God meant" "that's mistranslated" the echo, the hollow echo, mmmmmh whom should I believe, let see here, mmmmmh
Man's wisdom
or
MMMMMh God's word?


Ahhhh I guess I will believe God's word, I think I'll keep it in my heart and just trust him instead of that welllllll fading echo of someone saying the bible is inaccurate...... fading.....fadinggggggg...........
 
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