Does God always heal?

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Because He wants a relationship with us.Ê We aren't puppets.Ê If He didn't want a relationship, why send Jesus?

well if you look at prayer scriptures, they mainly have to do with us asking him for things. in fact, He goes so far as to tell us to BELIEVE WE RECEIVE when we ask. no wonder people have a hard time asking and believing God for healing -- cos it just sound to good to be true to them! Oh but it IS all true!

Free will.

likewise with healing, it is up to our free will to take it or not, just like salvation.

What do or what are?Ê If the question is "what are the gifts...", let's remember who the gifts come from.Ê The spirit, not us.Ê Without the Holy Spirit, we wouldn't have any gifts.Ê Only through the Holy Spirit is anything accomplished.Ê It's not because of us.Ê It's because of Him.

well one thing for sure -- He doesnt need the gifts. WE DO, cos we live in a sick and dying world. And he'smore than happy to help by giving us good gifts.
 
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Today at 01:31 AM blindfaith said this in Post #120 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=650287#post650287)

Because He wants a relationship with us.  We aren't puppets.  If He didn't want a relationship, why send Jesus?

 

Free will.

What do or what are?  If the question is "what are the gifts...", let's remember who the gifts come from.  The spirit, not us.  Without the Holy Spirit, we wouldn't have any gifts.  Only through the Holy Spirit is anything accomplished.  It's not because of us.  It's because of Him.

 

I have never seen anything so presumptuous and egotistical.  I hope that the HS reveals this to you, and that you humble yourself.  This is not acceptable.

God does want us to have a relationship with Him, but part of that relationship is for us to pray for changes, good changes. It is God's will to use us, to bring glory to Him. The bible says let people see our good works, so they can gloryfy God in heaven. It is through man that God chooses to work through. If we don't do it, then He will just move on to the next believer that is willing to do it. But His will, will be done, you can either say yes, do it and recieve the blessings, or no, and don't recieve the blessings.(not a heaven or hell issue)

The same free will that lets us have a relationship with God, is the same that lets us decide if we want to be with God. It is the same free will that allows us to change the world we live in, by grace through faith.
How do you change the world you live in?
What is the will of God?

Who are you to tell me what is acceptable and what isn't?
I stated two facts, and then asked a question.
He admitted to never recieving a healing, and the one time he thought he could have recieved one, he said could be explained as not being a healing.
I have stated over and over, answered prayers about healings from God.
And then asked why should anyone listen to what he is saying(about this subject).
 
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Apologist writes...

Since this was discussed in another post I thought I would post a link to a well written piece on this subject. It is a bit long but is very good I think.

God Bless



Eph writes...

I'd be careful of ol' Hank..he's good at pointin a quick finger at others..but not at himself...!

That being said..

Many healings in scripture were based on FAITH...and many weren't...Some healings were for believers...and some for non believers...

God healed many diifferent people...and not just believers in him..!

So really I can't nail God down on this subject....He does when he wants..with who he wants..!

His nature is to HEAL..but he doesn't always heal "on demand"...!
 
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Who are you to tell me what is acceptable and what isn't?

When it comes to an insulting remark,  essentially breaking rule #1 [noflame][/noflame], it's my job to step in.  That's who I am.  If Outspoken, or anyone else said that same insulting remark to you, I'd say the exact same thing to them.
 
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True, Christ bore our spiritual sickness and death on the cross. Healing is in God's will and sometimes he says no

totally unscriptural -- Bible says Christ bore our physical sicknesses and pains.
God always says yes to healing. We always believe yes-no-maybe-perhaps-someday -- that's the problem. the fault lies with us, not God.
 
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Yesterday at 11:24 PM Andrew said this in Post #126

totally unscriptural -- Bible says Christ bore our physical sicknesses and pains.
God always says yes to healing. We always believe yes-no-maybe-perhaps-someday -- that's the problem. the fault lies with us, not God.

When the WOF people get God to say yes to all healing, and they all live to be 120 then I might consider their position valid.  ;)

GE 6:1 When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty year." (NIV)
 
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For Andrew though, that may be so if he's walking there with God... I was reading some stuff on the 'word of faith' guys earlier this evening... it reminded me of the Christian science folks an awful lot... think it and it will be.. say it... that is essentially the same as christian science, power of the mind... not power of God.

God you sometimes do have to ask, even though he knows all your needs... but more than that even you have to know that God is sovereign, and likewise have a friend in Jesus (from my experience).. you got to be walking right, loving Him and him loving you... and well at that point you probably won't even get sick...

people who wait until they are sick to try to get close to God, well the severity of the illness depending even... well it simply may be too late. You got to give God not only your bad days but your good days too...

God doesn't heal everyone obviuosly... but He does heal some I am one.

When I ain't walking quite right I will get a headache... always lasts 3 days.

I think He lets the devil slam me one now and then just for my own benefit truly... but other than that we have not been sick in years and years aside from a slight winter sniffle. One bad cold. I quit that job soon afterwards,,, the way they talked about God over there wasn't good to be around... and thats the last time now... oh 4 years ago probably.

I don't even get hiccups. I go hic hic and he even gets rid of that.

I used have a cough problem, gone, female problems, gone, short winded boy am i long winded now...

God heals. But not just only on faith (though he does that too its in the bible), on the walk as well, got to be right there with Him everyday. Then He's there with you. and He doesn't get sick. Keep the house clean. And the temple.
 
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I have a bible my mom gave me when I 1st got saved. When I 1st started to read there were just verses that jumped out to me so I would mark them all. What I post is what the lord has gave to me not any man. I see when people put out faith words some like to call it a name

Jesus gave us power. He said we have more power then the devil. He said if we resist the devil he HAS to run a way. All good things come from God. How can God let satan do something to you or I if we already have more power then him? Take Proverbs 4:20-22. My son attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings. Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart. For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh. God does not nor can he twist his own words. We can not look at others lives and say God don't heal. Live4Jesus said "When I ain't walking quite right" you and I would never know this. We can not read the minds or hearts or others and know for a fact they are living by Gods word.

"and health to all their flesh"  I guess that means sometimes, or maybe if you don't get it God does not want you to be healed. Are we keeping Gods word? Do you think it, have it on you lips, always in front of you? Jesus did not even die when this was wrote yet they had a right to healing. Stick to Gods word not mans. There are things in Gods word that he as already paid the price for.
 
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The problem with all this healing stuff is that it says those who are healed are better and its not true. Chances are I will not be healed. I have 6+ conditions, my father died younger then usual even. It puts the well above the sick and says that the sick are at fault.

Yesterday a friend I am trying to bring to Christ said to me...Pat Robertson has prostate cancer. Why doesnt he just ask God to heal him?

No one lives forever and the best Christian will always die of something.

Dave Hunt in Occult Invasion breaks down the WOF movement pretty well.
 
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Today at 11:19 AM Budge said this in Post #131

The problem with all this healing stuff is that it says those who are healed are better and its not true. Chances are I will not be healed. I have 6+ conditions, my father died younger then usual even. It puts the well above the sick and says that the sick are at fault.

Yesterday a friend I am trying to bring to Christ said to me...Pat Robertson has prostate cancer. Why doesnt he just ask God to heal him?

No one lives forever and the best Christian will always die of something.

Dave Hunt in Occult Invasion breaks down the WOF movement pretty well.


Budge,

I believe in healing and I've never been taught that I am better than someone else because I'm healed.  I've even listened to some of the WOF teachers, and I've never heard them say such things.  The only people I've heard say those things are those who are against WOF.

I don't believe that we have to accept what the "world" says about our chances due to our past.  My chances due to my past and my family history is that I would in the same condition as the rest of my family.  But by the Word of God and His grace He has lifted me above that. That does not make me better, it makes me saved.

Until the Lord returns, yes, it is appointed unto man once to die, but nowhere does scripture say it has to be by sickness.

If Pat Robertson is being attacked with cancer, I'm sure he is trusting God for healing just as he teaches others to do.  And I'll bet that whether his body manifests that healing immedieately or not he will still believe God heals.

I am still waiting for the manifestation of healing in my body, for several things.  Jesus already paid for my healing just like he paid for my salvation.  It's done.  It's finished.  Therefore I am healed, even if my body is not yet showing it.

You've already concluded that your going to die young and it will be because of sickness.  That's faith too ya know. Faith that what the world has said about you is true, whether you see it or not.

Would it not be better to put that faith toward the God of your salvation, Who has a plan for your life, to good and not evil?

Quaffer



 
 
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quaffer: not that I am a fan of Hank - but you might want to check out www.equip.org I'm sure they can show some of radical and foolish claims WOF healers have made and have never been fulfilled. I think they force some poor fool to watch TBN non stop 24/7 to find this stuff . . . my prayers go out to who ever has that lousy job!! I've heard myself the tape of Hinn claiming that God was going to take the lives of all homosexuals on such and such a date - which passed without event I might add . . .
 
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Today at 12:42 PM Br. Max said this in Post #133

quaffer: not that I am a fan of Hank - but you might want to check out www.equip.org I'm sure they can show some of radical and foolish claims WOF healers have made and have never been fulfilled. I think they force some poor fool to watch TBN non stop 24/7 to find this stuff . . . my prayers go out to who ever has that lousy job!! I've heard myself the tape of Hinn claiming that God was going to take the lives of all homosexuals on such and such a date - which passed without event I might add . . .

Bro Max,

I belive I've already stated several times my issue with HH.  I had his book and the book of one of the people he was criticizing.  I looked up each ref he made and found that the quoting skills were quite inaccurate. 

I believe also, that unless we've listened to the entire sermon we have not heard what we think we've heard.  One can take a snippet out of any of our converstations and have us saying things we did not say.

I had someone tell me once that a pastor I knew said something in particular but when I bought the tape it was not there.  I have another friend who sat through a service and as she angrily left said, "there were no scriptures used at all in that sermon", and another friend looked down at her two pages full of scripture verses.

People hear what they search for.  Whatever poor fool has the job you mentioned is only listening to hear something that can be misconstrude.  And that's what they find.

I one time had a new boss, who did not like me.  He asked me to explain to him my job of checking reimbursement forms.  We'll, according to the law of the land, I did not have to check anything that was under $25.  In my talking to him I told him that.  

When he fired me a week later (I had worked there for 8 yrs before he became my boss), one of the accusations was "I admitted that I don't check anything".  However, that was not exactly what I had said.  Everything he reported about me was twisted and a lie.  But people believed it.

Unfortionately, people have itching ears.  They like hearing bad things about other people.  Especially, people they don't like. 

Now I am not necessarily defending anybody but I believe the tactics used by HH and those like him are wrong, and I will not read it. 

I don't spend much time watching TBN but I'm very carefull not to bash them either.  I don't plan to spend my first thousand years in heaven apologizing to people that I ran of at the mouth about.

Even if they are wrong in their teachings, does not make the Word of God wrong.  I have come to my conclusions based on what I myself have read and experienced through the Word of God.  Other teachings may have influenced some, but until I read it for myself I did not believe it.  Once I read it . . .I chose to believe it.  To do otherwise would be calling God a lier.

Quaffer
 
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God will always heal you. But he works on his own time table not ours. There maybe a reason why he desires you to be 'ill' at a given time, for example I believe that God had a reason for me to have spent the last year depress and for about a two month stretch where I was suicidal, that experience I believe will help me in the future to follow the example and path that Jesus has laid out for me. Sometimes it will seem as thou God has abandoned us to suffer 'illness' alone, but this is not true, he will never test you further than he will give you strength to go. It is sometimes in his plan that we expereince bad times and 'illness' so that we will be more able to help those who are not yet saved, and even our brothers and sisters that are in hard times. God will always heal you when his time to do so has come, not before even when we think we can last no longer for his strength will get us through as long as we ask for it as well as healing.

Harlan M. Schneider
 
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I am not fan of the king of self promotion either. HOWEVER there can be little doubt when you hear some one say: God will consume all homosexuals by fire by such and such a date - dates come and gone and unless there’s a whole new bach that came out on that date - they are still here and I don't remember hearing of mass spontaneous combustion. lol

what more - I know of at least one example where mr Hinn gave the impression that a miracle took place at one of his services when a woman was asked to give testimony to her healing. Her healing did NOT come through mr hinn’s ministry. The woman is a member of the same church as I. He did not outright claim credit for her miracle but he DEFINITELY led you to that assumption.
 
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Yesterday at 09:08 PM Br. Max said this in Post #137

I am not fan of the king of self promotion either. HOWEVER there can be little doubt when you hear some one say: God will consume all homosexuals by fire by such and such a date - dates come and gone and unless there’s a whole new bach that came out on that date - they are still here and I don't remember hearing of mass spontaneous combustion. lol

what more - I know of at least one example where mr Hinn gave the impression that a miracle took place at one of his services when a woman was asked to give testimony to her healing. Her healing did NOT come through mr hinn’s ministry. The woman is a member of the same church as I. He did not outright claim credit for her miracle but he DEFINITELY led you to that assumption.

Does God always heal? There is not Hinn in there. If you don't believe or like the man then do the next best thing PRAY for him. Maybe you should email him and tell him your self? I don't want to hear what so and so did wrong. I and not there judge.
 
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Yesterday at 06:24 PM WarriorOfGrace said this in Post #135

God will always heal you. But he works on his own time table not ours. There maybe a reason why he desires you to be 'ill' at a given time, for example I believe that God had a reason for me to have spent the last year depress and for about a two month stretch where I was suicidal, that experience I believe will help me in the future to follow the example and path that Jesus has laid out for me. Sometimes it will seem as thou God has abandoned us to suffer 'illness' alone, but this is not true, he will never test you further than he will give you strength to go. It is sometimes in his plan that we expereince bad times and 'illness' so that we will be more able to help those who are not yet saved, and even our brothers and sisters that are in hard times. God will always heal you when his time to do so has come, not before even when we think we can last no longer for his strength will get us through as long as we ask for it as well as healing.

Harlan M. Schneider

Harlan,

Welcome to the forums.

Yes, healing is in His time.  I don't believe however, that it is ever God's will that I be sick, physically or spiritually.  I believe I become sick from a sourse that is not God.  However, when I lean intirely on God, He will use it to make me a better person. 

I also believe that as a result of being brought out of that sickness by my leaning upon Him that I am better equipped to minister to others in the same situation.  I can show them not only how to cope while they wait for their healing to manifest but I can show them the way of deliverance.

Quaffer
 
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