The Jewish passover is not for the church.
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6 pm would NOT be applicable to your OT Leviticus 23:5 referenced (insert). 6 pm is more of a NT Christianized averaging innovation. Only from October 22, 2013 to March 27, 2014 does sunset occur in Jerusalem before 6 pm. This year sundown on April 13 to sunset April 14 (14th day of Nissan) occurs in Jerusalem at 7:07 pm. During the 15th of Nissan the “full moon” occurs at 10:43 am in Jerusalem. To some this event is considered the beginning of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The “full moon” occurs on April 15, at 3:43 am in New York (ET).
Sunset from April 12-15 advances from 7:31 pm to 7:35 pm in New York (ET) and 7:22 pm to 7:25 pm in Los Angeles (PT). I say all this because a sunset occuring before 6:00 pm in Jerusalem ONLY occurred from October 22, 2013 to March 27, 2014
Wikipedia and other commentaries may be helpful, but the Bible is our primary source. No where in the Bible is there a reference to the “Passover supper” occurring on the 12th of Nissan (Tuesday). Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread began on the 14th and/or 15th (Wednesday/Thursday).
Mark 14:12
Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they killed the Passover lamb, His disciples said to Him, “Where do You want us to go and prepare, that You may eat the Passover?” (NKJV)
Luke 22:7-8
Then came the Day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover must be killed. And He sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat.” (NKJV)
Matthew 16:2-4
He answered and said to them, “When it is evening you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red’; and in the morning, ‘It will be foul weather today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ Hypocrites! You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times. A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.” And He left them and departed. (NKJV)
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Easy answer is to ignore threads and posts about it, unless of course you are really not that bored. Judging by the sheer volume of posts and the lengthy replies I would say that Israel does not bore you in the least.
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This is why the culture/word should not change, despite worldly changes. The Watchmen were supposed to, in addition to other duties, watch the sky to determine when the significant moon phases occur. This is why Christ alludes to "no one knowing the hour or day," because that time period when the new moon (month) would begin could occur at 6pm, 3am, 7:35am, etc. They had to "watch [ye therefore]," because literally no one knew the exact day or hour the new month would begin.
Now, the new month (moon) - the first month of the new year begins in the spring, after the new moon after the barley and herbs turn green. This is Abib (literally "green.) When that new moon occurs, that is day 1 of the new year. Six days later is a sabbath. This year, the first new moon after the barley turned green was on March 30, 2014 at moonrise - Sunday sundown. That means the sabbath is on Saturdays at sundown (moonrise,) and Passover will be on the 12th of April, 2014 - if you strictly follow the bible.
Every new moon is a new month, even if there are residual days. The Hebrews "added" a 13th month to compensate for the couple of extra days left before new months begin, respectively.
The Sabbath is not a "set" Gregorian or Julian day. It has a very specific determination. You would have to find out when the new moon of the year(s) of Christ were, and then you would know the sabbath days respectively at that time.
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I speak of rules, you are welcome to eat carrots and organic celery.
Good for Daniel, the Lord ate meant, and fish.
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Of course I am bored with Israel, that is why I seek to keep that boring rule filled, land obsessed, ethnically centered thing outta the church!
Paul taught sooooo much cool stuff, but what do we get from some? Rules, and shadows.
Yes, boring.
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More verses that show teachings about the law, the passover was law for Israel. Since this is a law thread, here are verses from the frog, from his extensive studies.
Law, from Paul and others.
Peter said the law was a yoke, he nor the fathers could bear, Acts 15:10, and it would test God to add it to the church.
James said not to burden with the law either in Acts 15.
Jesus in revelation 2:24 said he does not lay any other burden, same words as James in Acts 15.
It was dung life in Phil 3.
The power of sin is the law 1 Cor 15:56.
The law was temporary Gal 3:19.
The law was for children Gal 4:3.
The law works wrath Rom 4:15.
Sinful passions were aroused under law Rom 7:5.
The law is not the gospel Gal 3:9-10.
Life under law is cursed Gal 3:10 and 3:13.
The law is not of promise Gal 3:18 and Rom 4:14.
They received the Spirit not by law Gal 3:2.
They did not have miracles by law Gal 3:5.
The law does not justify Rom 3:20.
the law did not give life Gal 3:21.
The law did not sanctify Gal 3:3,
The law was added to increase the trespass, not take it away, Rom5:20.
Sin has dominion under law Rom 6:14.
Law life was bondage Gal 2:4, Gal 4:3, Gal 4:25, Gal 5:1.
To be severed from Christ, was to be under law, imagine that! Gal 5:4.
The law was called a strict pedagogue (tutor) of gal 3:24, a strict disciplinarian, not very flattering, which fits into the context of the prison warden words of 3:24.
The law was elemental Gal 4:3.
The law was called a prison that held in sin Gal 3:22-23.
The law is not grace Rom 11:6.
We are not heirs by law Rom 4:16.
The law is not of faith Gal 3:12.
The law is not the cross Gal 5:11 and Gal 3:1.
The law was abolished Eph 2:15.
The law was nailed to the cross Col 2:14,
The law caused division between Gentile and Jew in Eph 2:14-15.
The law caused enmity with God and man, Eph 2:16-18.
We are not sons by law Gal 4:6, the law was a ministry of death and condemnation 2 Cor 3:7-9.
The law could not cleanse guilt Heb 9:14 and 10:4,
To revert to the old cov was to spurn the Spirit of grace and the blood of the Cov, it was sin Heb 10:26-29.
Christ is the end of the law Rom 10:4.
There was a time when there was no law Rom 5:13.
It was a ministry of death and condemnation, 2 Corinthians 3.
We are not under law, Gal 5:18, Romans 6:14.
The old cov was abolished, Heb 8:13, 10:9.
The law, the temple system was weak, and useless, and there is a better way to draw near to God.
Hebrews 7:18-19 For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness 19 (for the law made nothing perfect); but on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.
In Galatians 4:10-11, Paul said he wasted his time on them, if they got under Sabbath, the law, the Jewish calendar, and the basically same thing in Colossians 2:16.
Whew!
Law, from Paul and others.
Peter said the law was a yoke, he nor the fathers could bear, Acts 15:10, and it would test God to add it to the church.
James said not to burden with the law either in Acts 15.
Jesus in revelation 2:24 said he does not lay any other burden, same words as James in Acts 15.
It was dung life in Phil 3.
The power of sin is the law 1 Cor 15:56.
The law was temporary Gal 3:19.
The law was for children Gal 4:3.
The law works wrath Rom 4:15.
Sinful passions were aroused under law Rom 7:5.
The law is not the gospel Gal 3:9-10.
Life under law is cursed Gal 3:10 and 3:13.
The law is not of promise Gal 3:18 and Rom 4:14.
They received the Spirit not by law Gal 3:2.
They did not have miracles by law Gal 3:5.
The law does not justify Rom 3:20.
the law did not give life Gal 3:21.
The law did not sanctify Gal 3:3,
The law was added to increase the trespass, not take it away, Rom5:20.
Sin has dominion under law Rom 6:14.
Law life was bondage Gal 2:4, Gal 4:3, Gal 4:25, Gal 5:1.
To be severed from Christ, was to be under law, imagine that! Gal 5:4.
The law was called a strict pedagogue (tutor) of gal 3:24, a strict disciplinarian, not very flattering, which fits into the context of the prison warden words of 3:24.
The law was elemental Gal 4:3.
The law was called a prison that held in sin Gal 3:22-23.
The law is not grace Rom 11:6.
We are not heirs by law Rom 4:16.
The law is not of faith Gal 3:12.
The law is not the cross Gal 5:11 and Gal 3:1.
The law was abolished Eph 2:15.
The law was nailed to the cross Col 2:14,
The law caused division between Gentile and Jew in Eph 2:14-15.
The law caused enmity with God and man, Eph 2:16-18.
We are not sons by law Gal 4:6, the law was a ministry of death and condemnation 2 Cor 3:7-9.
The law could not cleanse guilt Heb 9:14 and 10:4,
To revert to the old cov was to spurn the Spirit of grace and the blood of the Cov, it was sin Heb 10:26-29.
Christ is the end of the law Rom 10:4.
There was a time when there was no law Rom 5:13.
It was a ministry of death and condemnation, 2 Corinthians 3.
We are not under law, Gal 5:18, Romans 6:14.
The old cov was abolished, Heb 8:13, 10:9.
The law, the temple system was weak, and useless, and there is a better way to draw near to God.
Hebrews 7:18-19 For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness 19 (for the law made nothing perfect); but on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.
In Galatians 4:10-11, Paul said he wasted his time on them, if they got under Sabbath, the law, the Jewish calendar, and the basically same thing in Colossians 2:16.
Whew!
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Me thinks that you spend way to much time posting long and repetitive posts about it and you seem to love the MJ forum so again I wonder if that is really so. If it is then you have a very unhealthy obsession with itOf course I am bored with Israel, that is why I seek to keep that boring rule filled, land obsessed, ethnically centered thing outta the church!
Paul taught sooooo much cool stuff, but what do we get from some? Rules, and shadows.
Yes, boring.
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Obesessed with truth, justice, and the American way, Superman!
AT LEAST, PLEASE, PRAISE MY WORKS OR ART, MY POSTS!
Bro, at least admit, the frog is the destroyer?: I am the "death angel"
, to the Passover doctrine.
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As you know they still do it the old fashion way In Israel
with the first reported visible sighting (not NASA).The first reported sighting of the new moon in Israel was on Monday, March 31st, 2014 at 7:25pm by Yoel Halevi and Gadi Eidelheit.
The first new moon crescent, with the presence of Abib barley reported, was from Israel in the regions of Kiryat Ata and Keren BeYavneh on March 31st at 7:25 and 7:30pm! An additional witness from Israel, Neria Haroeh, also sighted the moon from Ramla, Israel. Although, in some of these cases, a telescope lens was first used to locate the crescent, confirmation of the new moon was able to be made with the naked eye before the moon set within the hour after sundown. Additional reports continued westward.
First Day of Biblical Year (Day 1 of Month 1): April 1, 2014
Passover/Pesach Seder (Day 14 of Month 1): April 14, 2014
First Day of Unleavened Bread (Day 15 of Month 1): April 15, 2014
Passover Seder (meal) begins Monday after Sundown April 14, 2014.
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As you know they still do it the old fashion way In Israel
The first reported sighting of the new moon in Israel was on Monday, March 31st, 2014 at 7:25pm by Yoel Halevi and Gadi Eidelheit.
The first new moon crescent, with the presence of Abib barley reported, was from Israel in the regions of Kiryat Ata and Keren BeYavneh on March 31st at 7:25 and 7:30pm! An additional witness from Israel, Neria Haroeh, also sighted the moon from Ramla, Israel. Although, in some of these cases, a telescope lens was first used to locate the crescent, confirmation of the new moon was able to be made with the naked eye before the moon set within the hour after sundown. Additional reports continued westward.
First Day of Biblical Year (Day 1 of Month 1): April 1, 2014
Passover/Pesach Seder (Day 14 of Month 1): April 14, 2014
First Day of Unleavened Bread (Day 15 of Month 1): April 15, 2014
Interesting.
As I said, there were trumpeteers that would announce the "actual" new moon and such. I will have to look into your posting dates for the holy days, especially concerning when the new moon exactly occured.
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Checkout these links - Reported Crescent Moon Sightings, 1st Biblical Month (April 2014) - for Observed Biblical Calendar Followers AND New Moon ReportInteresting.
As I said, there were trumpeteers that would announce the "actual" new moon and such. I will have to look into your posting dates for the holy days, especially concerning when the new moon exactly occurred.
It is of great interest to note that the believers who followed יהושע the Messiah never used pagan names to describe Hebrew Months. They were well taught by the Master and simply numbered the Hebrew Months as Adam and Noah did from the beginning. One example of this can be seen in Luke's writing.
Luke 1:26-27 In the sixth month, Elohim sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin's name was Mary.
Although the Hebrew Hour and the Hebrew Day can be observed from any location on earth, the Hebrew Month and the Hebrew Year must be calculated from the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. The foundation stone on the Temple Mount is considered the origin of the physical universe in Hebraic thought. It was in the vicinity of the Temple Mount that יהוה made covenants with Abraham and King David, Solomon built the First Temple, Zerubbabel built the Second Temple, and יהושע the Messiah renewed the covenant with mankind in His own blood. It is for these reasons that the Temple Mount in Jerusalem is so intrinsically important.
It is first crescent visibility from Jerusalem which is the Scriptural reference standard for time keeping. As Elohim created the lights in heaven for signs, appointed times, days and years(Genesis 1:14), they truthfully tell what time it is. The Scriptures indicate that the Torah(teaching) of Elohim is truth (Psalms 119:142). They also indicate that the Torah(teaching) goes forth from Jerusalem.
Isaiah 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come and let us go up to the mountain of יהוה to the house of the Elohim of Jacob; and He will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths: for the Torah(teaching) will go forth from Zion, and the word of יהוה from Jerusalem.
For this reason, no one should forget Jerusalem when it comes to sighting the new moon.
Psalms 137:5-6 If I forget you, O Jerusalem, Let my right hand forget its skill! If I do not remember you, Let my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth - If I do not exalt Jerusalem above my chief joy.
In the Age of Life, Jerusalem will be called the City of Truth.
Zechariah 8:3 This is what יהוה says: "I will return to Zion and dwell in Jerusalem. Then Jerusalem will be called the City of Truth, and the mountain of יהוה Almighty will be called the Set Apart Mountain."
Isaiah 66:22-24 "As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before Me," declares יהוה , "So will your name and descendants endure. From one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before Me," says יהוה .
Psalms 19:1-6 The heavens declare the brilliant majesty of Elohim and the firmament shows His handiwork. Day after day they constantly pour forth speech, and night after night they display intelligence. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth and their words to the end of the world. In them He has set a tabernacle for the sun which is as a Bridegroom coming out of His chamber, as a champion rejoices to run a race. It rises at one end of heaven and makes its circuit to the other: nothing is hidden from its heat.
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it amazes me how some people treat a Passover celebration as mere ritual, however, communion/lord's supper/breaking bread/eucharist are also shadows yet I see a double standard at work amongst some.
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The Lord's death is mentioned in 1 Cor 11, the Lord's. That was the substance that came, see Col 2:16-17.
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