North Carolina finds 35,000 cases of double voting

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Argument? I'm thinking if I want to vote both here and in N.C. in person, I spend the whole day in the car ^_^

In all seriousness, this is a problem and not one solved by in-person presentation of picture ID at the polls.
LOL ... and I'm agreeing with you, Joykins. Precluding absentee ballots eliminates that avenue of corruption.
 
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It points out the weakness in the voter registration process. Unless there is some national database, nothing can prevent it. This investigation discovered the problem after the fact.

It raises the question, is it illegal to register in North carolina if one is also registered in another state?

Voter ID laws, including tohse being proposed, don't address this issue very well:

That's because the ID requirements are designed to prove you're who you claim to be — a U.S. citizen who's allowed to vote — and not whether you're registered in only one state, Swan said.
She said when someone moves here from another state such as New York, officials notify the resident's former county that the person is now registered to vote in Florida.
But there's a loophole.
People registering to vote must give their Florida driver's license information or the last four digits of their Social Security number.
This means a scofflaw can lie about where he came from. And he can keep his driver's license from his former state rather than replacing it with a Florida license.

So, we have to decide whether to go "big government" and have the feds get more involved. And, this type fraud does not seem to benefit one party over another.
 
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LOL ... and I'm agreeing with you, Joykins. Precluding absentee ballots eliminates that avenue of corruption.
And disenfranchising a huge segment of the population including a good portion of the military.
 
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And disenfranchising a huge segment of the population including a good portion of the military.
Agreed. However, it appears that 35,000 people are already disenfranchised in North Carolina due to voter fraud.

The importance of the North Carolina data is not the particular voter fraud, but the establishment of the FACT that people will commit vote fraud in large numbers when given the opportunity to do so. Consequently, the changes needed in order to prevent voter fraud are many. :wave:
 
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Agreed. However, it appears that 35,000 people are already disenfranchised in North Carolina due to voter fraud.
Sorry no evidence of that. For them to be disenfranchised they would have to have been prevented from voting.

The importance of the North Carolina data is not the particular voter fraud, but the establishment of the FACT that people will commit vote fraud in large numbers when given the opportunity to do so. Consequently, the changes needed in order to prevent voter fraud are many. :wave:
And the most talked about and controversial of the proposals to stop voter fraud, the Voter ID, will do nothing to stop 98% of voter fraud.
 
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Sorry no evidence of that. For them to be disenfranchised they would have to have been prevented from voting.
A single fraudulent vote disenfranchises one voter.

35,000 fraudulent votes disenfranchises 35,000 voters. It's not complicated.
And the most talked about and controversial of the proposals to stop voter fraud, the Voter ID, will do nothing to stop 98% of voter fraud.
LOL ... Your attempted change of topic is noted.

Until the North Carolina data, your side was claiming there was no significant voter fraud. :wave:
 
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A single fraudulent vote disenfranchises one voter.

35,000 fraudulent votes disenfranchises 35,000 voters. It's not complicated.

That's only true if those fraudulent votes were placed in the name of other people, who were then prevented from voting. Otherwise, that's not disenfranchisement.

LOL ... Your attempted change of topic is noted.

Until the North Carolina data, your side was claiming there was no significant voter fraud. :wave:

That's not a change of topic - that's been the argument all along: voter fraud isn't common, but of the voter fraud that occurs, very little of it would be affected by Voter ID laws.
 
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That's only true if those fraudulent votes were placed in the name of other people, who were then prevented from voting. Otherwise, that's not disenfranchisement.
You're quibbling semantics. (It's a losing argument, just so you know.)

Every fraudulent vote cancels out someone's legitimate vote ... :wave:
 
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This is probably an issue with students or people who moved, which can sometimes create duplicate voter rolls. Since states tend to handle most of their own voting this could create problems. These are mainly logistical problems.

It's not just "duplicate voter rolls". These people actually voted twice.

They haven't even investigated the double registrations. Isn't all this a bit premature?

found that 35,570 North Carolina voters from 2012 shared the same first names, last names, and dates of birth with individuals who voted in other states.

Not "double registrations" (way to try and twist this) it was double voting....meaning they voted twice. Is that really so hard to understand?



putting it into perspective

765 divided by 101,000,000 = .00000757425

35,750 divided by 101,000,000 = .00035396039

not a very high percentage.

Pulling numbers out of thin air I see. What if every one of the double votes were for republicans?
 
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...yeah, in North Carolina and in "other states" -
North Carolina’s Board of Elections ... found that 35,570 North Carolina voters from 2012 shared the same first names, last names, and dates of birth with individuals who voted in other states.​
Vote once here, vote once there - where's the problem?

Nonsense, if they moved to another state and registered in that state while not being purged from where they moved from, they are not "double voting"
 
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Gosh, that's a surprise. :doh:

Looks like somebody finally did an extensive check: N.C. State Board Finds More than 35K Incidents of 'Double Voting' in 2012 | National Review Online
North Carolina’s Board of Elections ... found that 35,570 North Carolina voters from 2012 shared the same first names, last names, and dates of birth with individuals who voted in other states.
Let the denials begin ...

The denial is in your article. Registration is not voting. There are no claims of double voting taking place, only registration.
 
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Pulling numbers out of thin air I see. What if every one of the double votes were for republicans?

Those are not out of thin air; they represent the lower and upper boundaries on potential fraudulent votes.
 
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This reminds me of that woman, Paris Hilton, who was asked by someone in the press or a paparazzi prior to the first Obama election if she was registered to vote.
She answered, yes! In two States. :doh:

All in all what does this mean to the outcome of the vote tally?

While reports like this are upsetting, they just go to reiterate the need for voter ID cards so as to hopefully prevent such things in future.
 
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found that 35,570 North Carolina voters from 2012 shared the same first names, last names, and dates of birth with individuals who voted in other states.

Not "double registrations" (way to try and twist this) it was double voting....meaning they voted twice. Is that really so hard to understand?

The report clearly states these findings will be investigated. I would have to say that is hard for you to understand.
 
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