Naturism (nudism)

LARMOG said:

Hi Darkhorse!
We cannot stop every form of lust but we do not have to assist it either!

A man (or woman) may lust after the opposite sex no matter what. But let's be honest, a man is more visually stimulated and will often be much more tempted to lust after a woman who is dressed scantily than one who is modestly dressed!

Adam and Eve were "afraid because they were naked." They were unaware of their nakedness until they sinned! Their first instinct was to cover themselves!

God had every opportunity to say to them, "Don't be ashamed of your bodies - continue to be naked - there is nothing to be ashamed of."

Instead what did he do?

Also for Adam and his wife the Lord God made tunics of skin, and clothed them. Genesis 3:21

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God provided animal-skin clothes for Adam and Eve (leather with fur) to protect them from the "thorns and thistles" they would encounter after being cast out of Eden, as well as cold, ferocious animals, sharp rocks, and various other hazards. If nudity was His primary concern, then spouses shouldn't see each other naked, should they? No one else was there to see them.

He also never chastised them for being naked - but He had plenty to say about disobedience!

God also wanted to establish the idea of a blood sacrifice to atone for sin. This is shown by God (later) accepting Abel's animal sacrifices, but rejecting Cain's plant sacrifices.

People who participate in non-sexual nudity lose their "excitement" about it in about 10 minutes - maybe an hour for the die-hards. They still enjoy it, but any initial sexual stimulation fades away quickly. There's much more about it to enjoy.

LARMOG said:

Hi Darkhorse!
We cannot stop every form of lust but we do not have to assist it either!

A man (or woman) may lust after the opposite sex no matter what. But let's be honest, a man is more visually stimulated and will often be much more tempted to lust after a woman who is dressed scantily than one who is modestly dressed!

That is only partly true. There was lust aplenty in Victorian times. And it is not unknown in Muslim societies who dress very conservatively.

Adam and Eve were "afraid because they were naked." They were unaware of their nakedness until they sinned! Their first instinct was to cover themselves!

God had every opportunity to say to them, "Don't be ashamed of your bodies - continue to be naked - there is nothing to be ashamed of."

Nakedness has several associating in Scripture. There in Genesis it depicts total openess with God, with each other and creation, of intimacy and innocence. Their fear was not at nakedness as such.

Instead what did he do?

Also for Adam and his wife the Lord God made tunics of skin, and clothed them. Genesis 3:21

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How wonderful! Here we see the Creator refusing to abandon his designs for his now fallen humanity. Within His Palace/temple of the earth God provides clothing, thereby indicating their continuing priestly role, His representatives and ambassadors to fallen humanity. The only instance in Scripture where God designates clothing was for the priests under the Mosaic covenant. Now, under the New Covenent we are to dress ourselves with Christ's salvation;
Gal 3:26-27 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. NIV

Our robes in Revelation express a similar thought -purity through Christ, and an ongoing priestly worship and service.

John
NZ

LARMOG said:

Also for Adam and his wife the Lord God made tunics of skin, and clothed them. Genesis 3:21

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So I assume that you believe that it is wrong for a husband and wife to see each other naked?

I am not a nudist,but a woman in provocative attire,would create more lust than one naked.

It's the mystery and the subtle tease.

Lust is to do with both people both are seduced both are flirting.

The most lust conceived is in the eyes not the bare butt.

If you are taken by lust your gonna lust clothes or nude.

Lust is a all consuming fire that attacks your soul.

Nudist won't make you lust Satan will suggest it,and he uses your own imagination.

You can always tell a pastor with a lust problem,he is over legal about dress code.

No pants you can see the outline of a butt!

No sleeveless dresses arm pits may reveal the side of a boob,to much make up oh those red lips!

Skirts to the ankle might see a calf or oh my even lower thigh.

No I mean no tight shirts for out doors a tee shirt should be 2 sizes big and no shorts whatsoever!

That was the ladies rule.

For young men playing football long shorts past knee underware then Speedos then long shorts
We never want to chance seeing anything nothing

No I mean no mixed swimming ever!

If you are to go on campus stay in car and I mean in car if you are wearing shorts,church member or not.

Those were the rules of a Christian school and church my kids attended and I went to church there for
3 years.
After leaving I changed denomination bless God.

Forgot one no blue jeans dresses or pants men or women the designers on purpose add color to the sexual areas!

Quote:Jessie Duplantis.

If you get turned on by a arm pit you got a devil in you!

now faith said:

You can always tell a pastor with a lust problem,he is over legal about dress code.

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Another red flag is "Family Values."

OGM said:

Another red flag is "Family Values."

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True, but in some families, nudity IS a family value! (check out my blog)

Haaaaa!!! What I meant is never trust a politician that interjects family values in their campaign. They are often up to something.

now faith said:

I am not a nudist,but a woman in provocative attire,would create more lust than one naked.

It's the mystery and the subtle tease.

Lust is to do with both people both are seduced both are flirting.

The most lust conceived is in the eyes not the bare butt.

If you are taken by lust your gonna lust clothes or nude.

Lust is a all consuming fire that attacks your soul.

Nudist won't make you lust Satan will suggest it,and he uses your own imagination.

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so disagree

mandyangel said:

so disagree

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Speaking as a former nurse who has seen a lot of bare flesh... I can tell you for absolute sure that a provocatively dressed woman does a lot more than a casually naked one.

Armoured said:

Speaking as a former nurse who has seen a lot of bare flesh... I can tell you for absolute sure that a provocatively dressed woman does a lot more than a casually naked one.

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nudity is the ultimate form of sexual expression [which I do not do]

unless you are attracted to the ATTIRE, I gotta disagree with ya there.

mandyangel said:

nudity is the ultimate form of sexual expression [which I do not do]

unless you are attracted to the ATTIRE, I gotta disagree with ya there.

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That's just because you like to wear skimpy clothes. Amirite?

selfinflikted said:

That's just because you like to wear skimpy clothes. Amirite?

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Uh, ya

mandyangel said:

nudity is the ultimate form of sexual expression [which I do not do]

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...okay...

unless you are attracted to the ATTIRE, I gotta disagree with ya there.

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With the best will in the world, if you genuinely believe this, you need to spend some more time around naked people in non-sexualised environments.

mandyangel said:

Uh, ya

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So your opinion is heavily biased!

(not that I find wearing skimpy clothing in and of itself wrong in any way)

selfinflikted said:

So your opinion is heavily biased!

(not that I find wearing skimpy clothing in and of itself wrong in any way)

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good to hear

mandyangel said:

good to hear

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Here, here!

mandyangel said:

nudity is the ultimate form of sexual expression [which I do not do]

unless you are attracted to the ATTIRE, I gotta disagree with ya there.

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I'm not so sure about that. In our society sex and nudity are most often linked in the media. And many people get naked with each other when they engage in some level of sexual activity. But social nudity can shatter that association, which is actually a very worthwhile thing to do.

I am far more opposed to a sexual tease than the open nudity that can take place safely in healthy company of like minded people.

John
NZ

You know..gravity has a lot to do with what looks best nude or dressed