Who are the broken branches?

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Jeremiah 11:16-17 states that the house of Israel and the house of Judah are the fair olive tree of the Father. Not all of the branches were broken off. I picture four main branches to the four quadrants like the four winds of direction or the four compass points, (the wilderness encampment pattern). From the four main branches run three smaller branches on each of the four making twelve main branches. From the twelve main boughs there are a multitude of family "twigs" and smaller branches sprouting out from the twelve main branches which make up the tree and its foliage. There were some whole families which were cut off or broken and certain lines of certain families but the tree is doing just fine, (at least seven thousand in reserve which have not bowed the knee to Baal at any given time). :)
 
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The broken off branches are the physical kinsman of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They were broken off because of unbelief.

Israel hasn't been replaced because there always has been a believing remnant even before Yeshua.
 
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"a believing remnant even before Yeshua"

believing in what?

Romans 11:5
It’s the same way in the present age: there is a remnant, chosen by grace.

Me being a Jew is also a testimony that God hasn't cast away Israel(Romans 11:5)
 
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Jeremiah 11:16-17 states that the house of Israel and the house of Judah are the fair olive tree of the Father. Not all of the branches were broken off. I picture four main branches to the four quadrants like the four winds of direction or the four compass points, (the wilderness encampment pattern). From the four main branches run three smaller branches on each of the four making twelve main branches. From the twelve main boughs there are a multitude of family "twigs" and smaller branches sprouting out from the twelve main branches which make up the tree and its foliage. There were some whole families which were cut off or broken and certain lines of certain families but the tree is doing just fine, (at least seven thousand in reserve which have not bowed the knee to Baal at any given time). :)

Why were they in hiding during the days of Elijah, if they be hidden are they not broken off the family tree?
 
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The broken off branches are the physical kinsman of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They were broken off because of unbelief.

Israel hasn't been replaced because there always has been a believing remnant even before Yeshua.

Do you now live in Israel?
 
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Elijah did not know they existed, Elijah was on hiding, the spirit carried him away. I am sure, those who publicly did not worship idols in Israel shined like a bright light surrounded by darkness.

Romans 11:4
But what is God’s answer to him? “I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not knelt down to Ba‘al.”
 
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Now for those branches that were broken off, it may appear that they were also rejected, the apostles continued their message outside Israel.

That's not the context the context is...

Has God rejected His people?

The answer; Heaven forbid! It’s the same way in the present age: there is a remnant, chosen by grace.

It's the remnant in this context.

Then Paul goes on to tell the Gentiles not to boast about the broken branches.
 
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Romans 11:5
It’s the same way in the present age: there is a remnant, chosen by grace.

Me being a Jew is also a testimony that God hasn't cast away Israel(Romans 11:5)
Hold the phone, back up, throw it in reverse..:)

You said:

Israel hasn't been replaced because there always has been a believing remnant even before Yeshua.

And I asked what were this remnant believing.

Now you are saying there is a remnant chosen, by grace (favor), not because they didn't sin againt G-d nor get involved in idolotrous practices, but they just believed? In what I am asking.

If you are thinking about Elijah that was about Israel abandoning G-d for a false G-d. But the remnant he spoke about to Elijah were prophets.

Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.
 
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The answer; Heaven forbid! It’s the same way in the present age: there is a remnant, chosen by grace.

Do you really believe that interpretation?

I see it as G-d had more than just Elijah and Elisha that were loyal to him, he also had the 7,000 who were also faithful to him. Not chosen by favor, but because they stayed faithful to G-d and kept his commandments , especially #2.
 
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Do you really believe that interpretation?

I see it as G-d had more than just Elijah and Elisha that were loyal to him, he also had the 7,000 who were also faithful to him. Not chosen by favor, but because they stayed faithful to G-d and kept his commandments , especially #2.

We need to keep in mind that the broken off branches were the Hellenistic Jews. They were the ones in control of the temple and priesthood at that time.
 
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I don't get why no one asks for witness to this analogy.

'IF' the Jews were broken off the tree, which basically boils down to them no longer being supported by the root, and really no longer part of Israel, then do they become like Gentiles? It makes no sense to me. Who broke them off?

What about the 40 years time period that was given? I can see someone saying that after the temple was destroyed they were 'broken off', but before? Paul wrote that way before 70CE.

And if they were broken off when Paul said, the time period for them to be grafted back in would have to be before they died. You have to not look at it as a whole people in all history. That is just as bad as saying all the Jews killed Jesus.
 
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I don't get why no one asks for witness to this analogy.

'IF' the Jews were broken off the tree, which basically boils down to them no longer being supported by the root, and really no longer part of Israel, then do they become like Gentiles? It makes no sense to me. Who broke them off?

What about the 40 years time period that was given? I can see someone saying that after the temple was destroyed they were 'broken off', but before? Paul wrote that way before 70CE.

And if they were broken off when Paul said, the time period for them to be grafted back in would have to be before they died. You have to not look at it as a whole people in all history. That is just as bad as saying all the Jews killed Jesus.

We do not know when Paul wrote that they were broken off.

Revelation 2:9
I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know about the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9
I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

Satan is anyone who is in opposition to God's will.
 
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Romans 11:4
But what is God’s answer to him? “I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not knelt down to Ba‘al.”

This scripture has nothing to do with Jews.


Those 7000 men can be seen when Ahab gathered them after the Elijah event.


Those 7000 men were of the northern kingdom under Ahab, and Elijah was not sent to Judah, he was sent to Israel.

The Jews were not present when Elijah brought down fire in front of all the people in the kingdom of Ephraim, the Jews were absolutely not present, and the Israelites were not Jews.

The job of Elijah is the Northern kingdom, not the southern.


When we are discussing 7000 reserved in Israel, we absolutely are not speaking of Jews from Judah.

The Jews were not present, and there were much more people in Judah who followed God instead of devils.


The Northern kingdom was warned over and over, and God used the example of what he did to them, to later warn Judah.

God warned the Jews of Judah not to become like the the kingdom of Ephraim and he pointed out what he did to them because of it.


God telling Elijah that he has reserved 7000 men in Israel has nothing to do with Jews.


That is a historical fact, and the spirit of Elijah is what Elijah does in trying to redeem the Northern kingdom to the southern kingdom.

All the great prophecies are of God making one man out of two men, and those two men are Judah and Ephraim, they both have particular prophecies of each.

At some point, Ephraim stops following the ways of Pagan Gods and then returns with respect back to the love of Torah and the love of Judah.

The two become one and appoint one head over both.


But you cannot put the sins of Ephraim on the head of Judah, and you cannot pretend that those 7000 men were speaking of Jews in the least.


I assume that you think the 7000 reserved have something to do with Jews, but it doesn't, and neither does the mention of them in Revelation.



One cannot take the sins of Jeroboam, Ahab and Jezebel and their worship of Baal and apply them to the heads of Judah.

Elijah soon went into Judah and saw their sons of the prophets, but they had nothing to do with the sons of the prophets of Israel. When the sons of the prophets of Israel went after Elijah and Elisha, the Jews were not present, their sons of prophets were not present.

The 42 ripped by two she bears were not of Jewish origins, they were of Ahab and Jezebel.

42 is also used in particular with speaking of Israel, not Judah.



Just my 2 cents.

Maybe you agree with everything I said, Can't remember now.
 
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