How can a bible believing Church be one that has divided?

Phantasman said:

Even Proverbs 8 shows wisdom (Sophia) as the feminine spiritual consort. Enjoy the world.

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Does not, it is personification.

Proverbs 7 says:

Say to wisdom, “You are my sister,”

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So Sophia is everyone's sister? That makes an interesting family tree.

the next part of the verse in Proverbs 7 says...

And call understanding your intimate friend;

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When's your next bowling outing with your intimate friend?

Phantasman said:

That could be the scales falling from them......................

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Another figure of speech?

MormonFriend said:

Scripture strictly prohibits division.

1 Corinthians 1:10
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.


How can a bible believing Church be one that has divided?

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Depends. "Divided" in what way?

The verse you cite isn't prohibiting anything. It's a greeting. Paul had no problem in his epistles commanding or prohibiting anything. "Beseeching", however, is neither commanding nor prohibiting.

How can a bible believing Church be one that has divided?
Bible believing and bible agreeing are two very opposite ends of the rod of iron.(stick)
If I hold on tightly with both hands, then there is no way to pry anothers hands off.
One may believe and spend a lifetime trying to get it all figured outin there mind.
Another can agree quickly without knowing fully how God can download this gift.
Recieve and enjoy!

drstevej said:

Another figure of speech?

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lol........You use a lot of man made images to get your point across. Is this how you preached as well?

Norah63 said:

How can a bible believing Church be one that has divided?

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Most such divisions involve matters that are considered important to the members but do not infringe upon "bible believing."

Often it's a matter of how the worship service should be structured. At other times, it concerns the choice of church leaders. Even when the disagreement concerns a Biblical principle, it is often over something that could not be called an essential doctrine.

drstevej said:

Does not, it is personification.

Proverbs 7 says:



So Sophia is everyone's sister? That makes an interesting family tree.

the next part of the verse in Proverbs 7 says...



When's your next bowling outing with your intimate friend?

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I can see how it would appear that way to someone who values the money of teaching over the truth.

Proverbs 8
10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.

Phantasman said:

lol........You use a lot of man made images to get your point across. Is this how you preached as well?

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Jesus used parables to illustrate truth. And yes my sermon outlines often use clip art to illustrate biblical principles.

Phantasman said:

I can see how it would appear that way to someone who values the money of teaching over the truth.

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There are many who see it this way who do not "value the money of teaching over the truth." Whom are you referencing?

MormonFriend said:

Scripture strictly prohibits division.

1 Corinthians 1:10
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

How can a bible believing Church be one that has divided?

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Yes why does a church, that claims to be a restoration of the true church, have so many divisions, splinter groups?

Phantasman said:

You know it all, so why debate? Even Proverbs 8 shows wisdom (Sophia) as the feminine spiritual consort. Enjoy the world.

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This is an accusation that you seem to throw around a lot, to anyone who disagrees with you and can ssupport their view scripturally.

Der Alter said:

This is an accusation that you seem to throw around a lot, to anyone who disagrees with you and can ssupport their view scripturally.

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I have no problem when someone disagree's with me. But when I show a scripture and say I believe it says XXX, I would rather a person disagree and make there belief why, rather than say "Does not" or "your wrong". One may as well just say "I'm right" and I'll end the debate as well, saying the same thing.

Phantasman said:

I have no problem when someone disagree's with me. But when I show a scripture and say I believe it says XXX, I would rather a person disagree and make there belief why, rather than say "Does not" or "your wrong". One may as well just say "I'm right" and I'll end the debate as well, saying the same thing.

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I explained why and cited a verse (the next part of the verse you cited) and your reply was...

I can see how it would appear that way to someone who values the money of teaching over the truth.

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Was that snarky remark directed at me?

Dr Adam said:

I prefer to use the bible, or actions.

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Good for you. Are you implying that how Dr. Steve preaches is unscriptural? How many times did Jesus use objects or examples from daily life to illustrate His teachings? A pastor can't bring a mountain, tree or river into the sanctuary but he can use pictures to illustrate them. Do you think there is something wrong with that? Jesus you better put down that coin, Dr Adams thinks you shouldn't use that to teach.

Dr Adam said:

Which truth of unity is that? Yours?

What group of Christians share the same 'truth'?

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I think Dr. Steve was talking about the tower of Babel not his truth or some group of Christians' truth. Since God dispersed the tower builders and confounded their language, their unity evidently was not God's will. That's good enough for me. What exactly is your argument?

Der Alter said:

Yes why does a church, that claims to be a restoration of the true church, have so many divisions, splinter groups?

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He was trying to suggest that his church, the LDS church, cannot be counted in this discussion. Little does he know that the LDS church WAS the first splinter from the restoration. The RLDS church retained the teachings of the original restoration. The LDS church with their heretical doctrines, splintered off. BY knew that JS,III had been designated and took the church over and plunged them further into heretical doctrine. When I was RLDS, I understood that the splinter at Nauvoo was the cleansing of the restoration.

Dr Adam said:

I prefer to use the bible, or actions.

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pantomime?

A New Dawn said:

He was trying to suggest that his church, the LDS church, cannot be counted in this discussion. Little does he know that the LDS church WAS the first splinter from the restoration. The RLDS church retained the teachings of the original restoration. The LDS church with their heretical doctrines, splintered off. BY knew that JS,III had been designated and took the church over and plunged them further into heretical doctrine. When I was RLDS, I understood that the splinter at Nauvoo was the cleansing of the restoration.

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This is a good point. Perhaps the most accurate term for LDS post Nauvoo is Brighamites.

drstevej said:

Was that snarky remark directed at me?

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I would never want to lead a church, much less make a life where it supported me and my family financially. I see where this leads. Many men have become wealthy, living high on the hog, sporting beautiful jewelry and such, off of the loving tithes of many, some even destitute. The thought is, if you give it to support the orator of God, then you support God.

I don't see this as anything Christ taught, and as a matter of fact, he taught against it.

My remark was directed at anyone falling into this mindset, whether they are small fish in the pond or large ones. It appears to fall on the same belief, one in which I disagree with.

To show me a verse in 1 Timothy might make you feel justified, but the bigger picture from Christ (in the Gospels) causes me to see differently.

I never saw (or see) Christ as Pope John Paul, Jim Baker, Oral Roberts, Benny Hinn, etc. etc. etc.

1 Tim. Seems to be the biggie that is always leaned on pretty heavy.
Tv preachers like that ot Malachi 3: 8--12, to lay it on about robbing God.
Verse 5 should be preached along beforehand....