Will the false prophet be Israel's long-awaited "messiah king?"

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I write screenplays and am into directing and film-making. I'm putting together a story/concept based on the Books of Revelation from John and Daniel's prophecies.

It seems like the beast that rises from the water -- represents a Governmental system coming from the Gentiles. With the Beast from the land, representing one coming from Israel.

In my story, the economy ends up crashing and there are some minor wars across the world, leading to the United Nations and European Union joining together to form the International United Council where the U.N.'s Deputy Secretary General becomes the President of the Council which is a revived Roman empire.

The false prophet arrives on the scene and Israel sets up it's monarchy again as the false prophet brings in a "golden age" for the Jewish people by eradicating Christianity from the land as well as Islam with him winning the war with Palestine. This leads to a peace treaty set up by the President of the Council between Israel and Palestine and the rest of the world as the economy crashes -- leading to marks or chips that not only buy or sell but are used to identify people, connect people to the Internet, etc.

I'm trying to make it as grounded as possible but really there's no way to really know the truth until it happens so I would like to see what's people's theories out there about the false prophet and the antichrist.

Does the false prophet reign down fire from the sky? I could interpret this as him launching a missile down from a drone or a satellite weapons system or supernaturally, reigning fire down from the sky. I'm wondering how could the false prophet do something that Elijah, a man of God did? It would seem like that the false prophet might perhaps be someone is under God's Law, (righteousness upon himself instead of Christ) and yeah, it's quite an amazing book the Book of Revelations.

I ask God for wisdom concerning this. It's pretty heavy. I could see the false prophet being an ultra-orthodox Jewish rabbi who does great wonders that deceives even the elect (the Vatican (Peter's Church) and other Christians out there).

Thoughts?

The antichrist, I view as someone like Hitler or Stalin but coming as a man of peace and not so blunt but deceiving like the serpent, like the devil, "an angel of light", soft-spoken, non-threatening who ultimately ends up doing much, much worse, so not ultra-right or ultra-left but a humanitarian as Jesus said to Peter when he rebuked him, "Away from me, Satan, for you only have humanly concerns instead of the concerns of God."

I thought it could be an A.I. -- people could think, yeah, we made this A.I. human and the A.I. starts enslaving us all and sits in God's temple and proclaims it's God but yeah, getting a bit too fantastical with that -- I don't think that could happen in real life and I've been watching too many movies.

I think they will all be human but the Devil will start putting in his final plan of war where he will ultimately lose again. The first war was when he was thrown out of Heaven by Michael so it seems like this second war will involve us -- where as the first war was a spiritual one, this will take place in the physical world and basically seems like the penultimate of all that has happened from the spiritual world. A dimension higher than ours as God is our Father and Christ is our Lord and Saviour.
 

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I write screenplays and am into directing and film-making. I'm putting together a story/concept based on the Books of Revelation from John and Daniel's prophecies.

It seems like the beast that rises from the water -- represents a Governmental system coming from the Gentiles. With the Beast from the land, representing one coming from Israel.

In my story, the economy ends up crashing and there are some minor wars across the world, leading to the United Nations and European Union joining together to form the International United Council where the U.N.'s Deputy Secretary General becomes the President of the Council which is a revived Roman empire.

The false prophet arrives on the scene and Israel sets up it's monarchy again as the false prophet brings in a "golden age" for the Jewish people by eradicating Christianity from the land as well as Islam with him winning the war with Palestine. This leads to a peace treaty set up by the President of the Council between Israel and Palestine and the rest of the world as the economy crashes -- leading to marks or chips that not only buy or sell but are used to identify people, connect people to the Internet, etc.

I'm trying to make it as grounded as possible but really there's no way to really know the truth until it happens so I would like to see what's people's theories out there about the false prophet and the antichrist.

Does the false prophet reign down fire from the sky? I could interpret this as him launching a missile down from a drone or a satellite weapons system or supernaturally, reigning fire down from the sky. I'm wondering how could the false prophet do something that Elijah, a man of God did? It would seem like that the false prophet might perhaps be someone is under God's Law, (righteousness upon himself instead of Christ) and yeah, it's quite an amazing book the Book of Revelations.

I ask God for wisdom concerning this. It's pretty heavy. I could see the false prophet being an ultra-orthodox Jewish rabbi who does great wonders that deceives even the elect (the Vatican (Peter's Church) and other Christians out there).

Thoughts?

The antichrist, I view as someone like Hitler or Stalin but coming as a man of peace and not so blunt but deceiving like the serpent, like the devil, "an angel of light", soft-spoken, non-threatening who ultimately ends up doing much, much worse, so not ultra-right or ultra-left but a humanitarian as Jesus said to Peter when he rebuked him, "Away from me, Satan, for you only have humanly concerns instead of the concerns of God."

I thought it could be an A.I. -- people could think, yeah, we made this A.I. human and the A.I. starts enslaving us all and sits in God's temple and proclaims it's God but yeah, getting a bit too fantastical with that -- I don't think that could happen in real life and I've been watching too many movies.

I think they will all be human but the Devil will start putting in his final plan of war where he will ultimately lose again. The first war was when he was thrown out of Heaven by Michael so it seems like this second war will involve us -- where as the first war was a spiritual one, this will take place in the physical world and basically seems like the penultimate of all that has happened from the spiritual world. A dimension higher than ours as God is our Father and Christ is our Lord and Saviour.
I'm the guy you should talk to... if you are for real... if you want to collaborate....but I am not going to do it in a public forum.

But no to answer your question of the false prophet. The prophets anointed the kings, not that they themselves were the kings. The false prophet will not be the Antichrist. There is a good chance that he will anoint the Antichrist. Which I would base a screenplay on that assumption.

You are pretty far off from understanding the prophecies to be honest with you. That doesn't mean you can't write a good screenplay, in your writing skills. It's just that it would take a lot of effort by me to get you to the point of being able to put a screenplay together that actually corresponds to the prophecies.

The antichrist, I view as someone like Hitler or Stalin but coming as a man of peace..........
And you get that because of Revelation 13 is where you began - and the beast captured your attention - so you see the Antichrist rising up to become that beast. So you use someone like Hitler or Satan as your model. You have started from the wrong place. The Antichrist is the antagonist in a screenplay for sure - but you are long, long, long ways from understanding the Antichrist and all of the end times prophecies.

Here is a copy and paste of a thread I started at another site - which is for persons just like you:

Start here, and not with the beast in Revelation, nor with the little horn in Daniel, nor with the man of sin in 2thessalonians. A fresh look for many of you.

In 1John2:18, them who John was speaking to had already heard that Antichrist shall come. They would have already heard it because they were aware that Jesus indicated to Nicodemus the Jews would accept another to be the promised King of Israel, Son of David messiah.

The entirety of the prophecies of the Antichrist are about the Rise the path his career takes to him becoming that illicit perceived King of Israel, Son of David messiah that for a short time will be embraced by the Jews, until he reveals himself as the man of sin. The Fall, from being the perceived King of Israel, Son of David messiah, beginning with him revealing himself as the man of sin, in his heart believing that he has reached God-hood. And from there, ultimately becoming the Antichrist-beast in Revelation 13 for that last 42 months before Jesus Returns.

Prior to the cross, many of the Jews were hoping that Jesus would fulfill the prophecies concerning the King of Israel, Son of David messiah. To restore the kingdom, back into it's united state, and remove the Romans. Which the last King of Israel, the united country was Solomon. That's why they asked him in Acts1, if now (at that point in time), He was going to restore the kingdom to Israel. He told them it was not for them to know the time or season.

Since the messiah is supposed to the King of Israel, the united country, the prophecies of the Antichrist, the illicit another, could not have taken place in the past because Israel was not a united country again until 1948/1967.

So the Antichrist could not have come in former generations to ours.  Which would also mean that the Pope or office of Pope (historicist view) could not be the Antichrist - because the Antichrist has to be the illicit perceived King of Israel, the united country. It also eliminates the Mahdi Antichrist theory, who cannot be the King of Israel.

Thus the Rise and Fall of the Antichrist, all of the prophecies can be reduced to being that illicit perceived King of Israel, Son of David messiah, rising up to it, then falling away from it to go into perdition.
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Man of sin - what makes the Antichrist the man of sin? It is because early on in his career, he will be into the occult relying on powers from the dark side for his success (Daniel 8:23-25). Eventually, Satan will sway him to think that in his heart he has reached God-hood, and carry out the act of going into the temple and claiming to be God. The Antichrist, unbridled ego, and the occult go hand in hand.
So in your screen play, you should near the beginning have the Antichrist into the occult, in some manner, perhaps into the Kabbalah, as one of the thinking of practitioners believe that they can manipulate angels into carrying out their agenda. Maybe not mention kabbalah as such, but the idea of manipulating angels, all done secretively. The Antichrist will rely on powers from the dark side for his rise to power and success.

If you make the screenplay accurate to the bible prophecies - and a film made from it, which would be the most impacting film of all times, you are going to offend a lot of people, the muslims, the Catholics, the Jews, - which may be good from an attention getting standpoint. I don't know that there is anyone who would actually make the film - unless it is a bunch of Christians into film making. I think the film industry would pervert the film to avoid the controversy it would cause.

What's the title of your film going to be?

Whether a person makes a movie or not, thinking in terms if suppose I were going to make a movie from the bible prophecies - how would I make a movie about the end times - is a good method for approaching the understanding of the prophecies, how everything fits together.
 
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I was going to start with the teaser or prologue with John's visions. Seemingly real. With the beasts rising up from the sea and land -- a good image is that image of Godzilla rising up from the waters in the new Godzilla trailer for the 2014 film as the nuke goes off.

Usually as screenwriters, we write the ending first. I already have that envisioned with the new Heaven and new Earth, with the grass made out of light on the new Earth.
 
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So the antichrist will be of Jewish origin?
He has to be in order to be the Anti-messiah (christ). "the" messiah when in context of the prophecies is the promised great King of Israel, descended from King David, to lead Israel and the world into what we call the messianic age of redemption, characterized by peace and saftey.

Christ is Christos, for messiah, which messiah in the hebrew language means anointed. Which in the Tanach, which is the Jewish terminology for what we call the old testament, anointed were kings and priests. They were called anointed's because that term meant that they were chosen by God, approved by him for some function.

When it comes to "the" messiah, at the time of Jesus, and within Judaism today, it is talking about one specific anointed. The King of Israel, son of David, anointed. Back in old testament times there was actually a special mixture of oil that used to anoint the Kings of Israel.

The Kings of Israel cannot be persons outside of the twelve tribes as God stated for them not to have a King who was not of their people back in Deuteronomy. Since "the" messiah is supposed to be descended from King David, the specific tribe, is the tribe of Judah.

The meaning of "the" messiah has been lost to most Christians - since Christianity spread to the gentiles and distanced itself by 2000 years from that first group of believers who were Jews - as to Christians thinking of messiah as being Savior who die for our sins, that it has always been thought of in those terms. But in context of "the" messiah, which Jesus was crucified, by plot of the pharisees and sadducees, it meant the promised great King of Israel, Son of David anointed.

The Anti-"the messiah" for a short period will be perceived by the Jews as being that long waited King of Israel, Son of David anointed. Until he reveals himself as the man of sin, by thinking he has reached God hood because of his involvement into the occult began early and most likely secretively - is temporarily entered into by Satan, to carry out the act of going into the temple and showing himself to be God. At which time, the Jews will impeach the Antichrist as being thought of as their King of Israel. Which he turns on them to destroy his land and his people, the Jews.

Which in Ezekiel 28:1-10, God has him killed for sitting in the seat of God, for in his heart thinking that he is God. (Which I would have some of my main protagonist characters of the movie, be the ones who carry out the act of killing him, into the plot, and following through with them being on the run from the resurrected Antichrist as having killed him.) Which the Antichrist, man of sin, finds himself in hell, mocked; and God in his disdain for him, casts the Antichrist out of the grave, bringing him back alive, to face being thrown directly into the lake of fire 42 months later, citing...

Isaiah 14:
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.


In verse 19 above, the Antichrist is being likened to an abominable branch, which is the "anti" comparison to Jesus, the righteous branch which Jesus is code named in the old testament regarding "the" messiah, the King of Israel, descended from David, would come from David and David's father Jesse.


The little horn, the prince who shall come, the king of fierce countenance, , the prince of Tyre, the willful king, the beast, those are all code names for the Antichrist laying out his rise and fall.


When the Antichrist is cast out of the grave, an idiom, for that God brings him back to life as the strong delusion God sends to them who believed the Antichrist's lie of being God in the flesh to start with - the Antichrist in keeping with his delving into the occult for power, in collusion with Satan, will be given the spirit of the beast - the disembodied spirit of Nimrod, currently in the bottomless pit.


So that is him, in Revelation 13, as he becomes known as the beast. The Antichrist-beast. And the things we read about taking place during that last 42 months before Jesus returns.
 
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I was going to start with the teaser or prologue with John's visions. Seemingly real. With the beasts rising up from the sea and land -- a good image is that image of Godzilla rising up from the waters in the new Godzilla trailer for the 2014 film as the nuke goes off.

Usually as screenwriters, we write the ending first. I already have that envisioned with the new Heaven and new Earth, with the grass made out of light on the new Earth.
Yes, the ending is critical. Which I would limit my film - to the time of the Antichrist, the name of the Movie either "The King" or the "Rise and Fall of the Antichrist" which the second is going to get a lot of people interested in a movie with that title.

I would not go to the new Heaven and new Earth, because the thousand years reign and Satan's last rebellion is too much to be included in such a film, it would I think be anticlimatic and lose the impact to the audience. I would end the film with Jesus's return.

The ending, I would chose, special effects of course, would be the earth with light going out from Jerusalem, and the planet turning green and the oceans blue again, against a backdrop soundtrack, of Lord of lords, Handles messiah. Then quietly fading to a intimate scene of Jesus's back as he is kneeling to two young children sitting playing on the ground with a wolf and lamb in the background greeting them and then outstretching his arms to them - and them staring at the wounds in his hands (wrists) - and one the children saying "what happened to your hands?" And Jesus saying, "I got these in a house of a friend." And the other child delivering the punch line of the movie - "why?" (I got these in the house of a friend is a quote from the old testament about Jesus crucifixion, if you are not aware)

And then fade back to white blank screen, with a text quote of "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son,.... the rest of verse.
to have eternal life.

Which I would have some of my protagonists come back to life, in their eternal bodies, near the end to drive that point home.

And below that text, would be Behold, I come quickly; my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

And fade out the screen against the backdrop of Handel's messiah, Lord of Lords and King of King, hallelujah, hallelujah.

Writing a script is tedious hard work, which I would leave up to others with the skills, not me.
 
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i believe the false prophet, the second beast, and the anti-christ are ALL Satan ...

something to remember ... Satan never was and never will be born of woman here on earth ... he will be arriving on earth ... not born here ... at best he would have to 'enter' a person ... the way he did Judas ...

secondly, why would he have to be Jewish ... it's clear to me people in the U.S. will believe just about anything ... and no Muslim is ever going to believe a Jewish guy is Christ ... and if they did, what would it mean to them ... seriously not the same thing Christians would believe ... since they don't see it the way we do ... he ust be able to deceive the WHOLE world ...

also anti-christ means instead of Christ ... not the opposite of Christ or any other scenario ... simply instead of ... so he's not bound to our idea of what he must or must not look like, be, or whatever ...

no, his mo will be exclusively peace ... this is how he imitates Christ ... not by coming in guns blazing, or any of the other horror stories we hear .... people will believe he is Christ because he comes bringing peace ... not because of how he looks ...

at some point people would be well advised to stop looking at this as a flesh battle and see the spiritual battle ...

and frankly, Jesus walked the earth once before and most did not recognize Him then, either ... Jewish or not ... Satan has very little work to do to convince anyone ... as most people wouldn't have a clue what to look for ...

i, too, have a scenario for a movie ... one where most of the people's of the world just don't see it, get it, or care until it's coming down ... Jesus will say to many, 'I never knew you' ... and that's how I would end the 'movie' ... with Jesus saying, 'I never knew you' ... while in the background we see those who 'made it' entering the marriage supper with the Lamb ...
 
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i believe the false prophet, the second beast, and the anti-christ are ALL Satan ...

something to remember ... Satan never was and never will be born of woman here on earth ... he will be arriving on earth ... not born here ... at best he would have to 'enter' a person ... the way he did Judas ...

secondly, why would he have to be Jewish ... it's clear to me people in the U.S. will believe just about anything ... and no Muslim is ever going to believe a Jewish guy is Christ ... and if they did, what would it mean to them ... seriously not the same thing Christians would believe ... since they don't see it the way we do ... he ust be able to deceive the WHOLE world ...

also anti-christ means instead of Christ ... not the opposite of Christ or any other scenario ... simply instead of ... so he's not bound to our idea of what he must or must not look like, be, or whatever ...

no, his mo will be exclusively peace ... this is how he imitates Christ ... not by coming in guns blazing, or any of the other horror stories we hear .... people will believe he is Christ because he comes bringing peace ... not because of how he looks ...

at some point people would be well advised to stop looking at this as a flesh battle and see the spiritual battle ...

and frankly, Jesus walked the earth once before and most did not recognize Him then, either ... Jewish or not ... Satan has very little work to do to convince anyone ... as most people wouldn't have a clue what to look for ...

i, too, have a scenario for a movie ... one where most of the people's of the world just don't see it, get it, or care until it's coming down ... Jesus will say to many, 'I never knew you' ... and that's how I would end the 'movie' ... with Jesus saying, 'I never knew you' ... while in the background we see those who 'made it' entering the marriage supper with the Lamb ...

"Christ" "christ" is not Jesus's name. Learn what "christ" means, then you will have taken a step in the right direction to know why the Antichrist has to be a Jew.

The understanding you have of the prefix "Anti" is just fine. "instead of" and "against".

The Antichrist is not going to present himself as being Jesus.
 
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"Christ" "christ" is not Jesus's name. Learn what "christ" means, then you will have taken a step in the right direction to know why the Antichrist has to be a Jew.

I know what Christ means ... i'm not convinced you do, tho ... i seriously detest the way people talk down to others in this forum ... i get that you are the 'expert' in this area ... or so it is portrayed ... that, however, in no way diminishes my effort here ... or the fact that God can speak to me or through me, just as well as you ... Jesus has many titles ... He has one name ... Messiah being one title ... i don't see where that matters in this conversation ... we all know who we're referring to ... Jesus the Christ ... the Lamb ... the good Shepherd ... regardless, He is the only begotten Son of God ... and He is the One who the anti-christ will be looking to make people believe he is ...
 
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I know what Christ means ... i'm not convinced you do, tho ... i seriously detest the way people talk down to others in this forum ... i get that you are the 'expert' in this area ... or so it is portrayed ... that, however, in no way diminishes my effort here ... or the fact that God can speak to me or through me, just as well as you ... Jesus has many titles ... He has one name ... Messiah being one title ... i don't see where that matters in this conversation ... we all know who we're referring to ... Jesus the Christ ... the Lamb ... the good Shepherd ... regardless, He is the only begotten Son of God ... and He is the One who the anti-christ will be looking to make people believe he is ...

No reason to get mad at me. I humble myself lowly lowly lowly before God and know that I know nothing, am nothing, apart from Him. And that I have been made an expert in this area, it is true, but not by my own accord. And you have no idea of my life of what God has brought me through to be understanding of the prophecies.

I know what Christ means ... i'm not convinced you do, tho ...
From what you write, it is evident to me that you don't. If I am wrong, and you do then please expound on the meaning of Christ. I am not trying to be mean spirited to you.
 
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No reason to get mad at me. I humble myself lowly lowly lowly before God and know that I know nothing apart from Him. And that I have been made an expert in this area, it is true, but not by my own accord. And you have no idea of my life of what God has brought me through to be understanding of the prophecies.

From what you write, it is evident to me that you don't. If I am wrong, and you do then please expound on the meaning of Christ. I am not trying to be mean spirited to you.

first, i'm not mad ... just seriously over people talking down to others to show how important they are ...

and you have no idea what God has brought me through to understand what i understand ... or what He's brought any one else here through or to ... you are not special ... and neither am i ...

Christ ... the oil of the people ... so much more ... i have nothing more to say ... you are determined to show i am ignorant, so go for it ... i'll find something else to do ... you be the one in the know ...
 
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Christ ... the oil of the people ... so much more ... i have nothing more to say ... you are determined to show i am ignorant, so go for it ... i'll find something else to do ... you be the one in the know ...
I haven't said anything about me being important and you not.

Christ means "the oil of the people"? Where are you getting that?

I am not trying to show you are ignorant to put you down. I am trying to show you that you don't understand the prophecies about the Antichrist because you don't know what "christ" means. And because of that, you have made a wrong conclusion that the Antichrist will be perceived to be Jesus.
 
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first, i'm not mad ... just seriously over people talking down to others to show how important they are ...

and you have no idea what God has brought me through to understand what i understand ... or what He's brought any one else here through or to ... you are not special ... and neither am i ...

Christ ... the oil of the people ... so much more ... i have nothing more to say ... you are determined to show i am ignorant, so go for it ... i'll find something else to do ... you be the one in the know ...
May i make a suggestion to you? In your profile page, there is an option to "ignore" someone. Which you can't see their posts. I have several people on my "ignore" list.

Why don't you add me to your ignore list, if I bother you that much? You won't even see my posts.

btw, you need to clear out some of the stored messages in your inbox, so someone can send you a private message
 
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I haven't said anything about me being important and you not.

Christ means "the oil of the people"? Where are you getting that?

I am not trying to show you are ignorant to put you down. I am trying to show you that you don't understand the prophecies about the Antichrist because you don't know what "christ" means. And because of that, you have made a wrong conclusion that the Antichrist will be perceived to be Jesus.

asking someone if they know what Christ means is to place doubt ... and by doubt proving you are more worthy ... my statement was to mean God is not partial ... not for you or for me ... that's all ...

Christ = Christo = Messiah

Christo (oil) ... Christ comes from Christos ... the Greek translation of the Hebrew term Mashiah ... the English source of the word Messiah ... Mashiah is related to the Hebrew verb Masach ... meaning 'to anoint' ... i ask you ... is Jesus the Christ not the oil of the people ...

and you may have made a wrong conclusion that the anti-christ won't be tryng to pose as Christ ... Jesus Christ ... Christ being His supreme name ... the Messiah ...

pl;ease forgive me for being so intolerant in the moment ... it truly is a matter of what i said ... the never=ending talking down to ... in complete opposition to talkin straight to ... hmmm ... maybe would that be anti-talk ... instead of talking ...
 
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May i make a suggestion to you? In your profile page, there is an option to "ignore" someone. Which you can't see their posts. I have several people on my "ignore" list.

Why don't you add me to your ignore list, if I bother you that much? You won't even see my posts.

btw, you need to clear out some of the stored messages in your inbox, so someone can send you a private message

if your posts annoyed me i would do exactly that ... as once again ... i, too, have knowledge of the ignore button ...

your posts don't annoy me

they discourage me ...

as to my message box ... i haven't bothered in a long time ... can't remember the last time someone actually spoke to me here ... it took yrs for it to get full ... and when i stoppeed ... no one ever came again ... oh, that's not true ... there was a couple trolls that were removed ... leaving me with an annoying thing always telling me i have a message when i don't ... how's that for irony ...
 
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Douggg

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i, too, have a scenario for a movie ... one where most of the people's of the world just don't see it, get it, or care until it's coming down ... Jesus will say to many, 'I never knew you' ... and that's how I would end the 'movie' ... with Jesus saying, 'I never knew you' ... while in the background we see those who 'made it' entering the marriage supper with the Lamb ...

That sounds depressing to me. I think that would be a terrible ending. Instead, I think this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76RrdwElnTU
 
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