Christians beware

ebedmelech · Mar 16, 2014

ancientsoul said:
there are a signifigant enough number of scriptures to point out that Christians can and will, indeed be deceived ... to many He will say 'I never knew you' ... many who thought they were Christians ...

it's a dangerous thing to think one is above being deceived ...

Mark 13:5,6 ... signs of the end ... And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you: For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

here is a picture of Jesus telling Peter, James, John, and Andrew to be careful not to be deceived ... i think it's fair to say they are Christians ... i.e. Christ followers ...

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1 Corinthians 15:33 ... the assurance of the believer ... Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.

1 Corinthians 6:9 ... purity among believers ... Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God> Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor effiminate, not abusers of themselves with mankind,

Galatians 6:7,8 ... Christians and the law ... Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because you go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded? Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

3 scriptures that clearly point out Christians can be deceived ...

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Galatians 6:7 ... the ways of the believer ... Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

a warning to the believer not to be deceived ... if it weren't possible, why a warning ...

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2 Thessalonians 2:3 ... Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition:

a very clear warning not to be decieved ... and just as clearly many will be ... as their will be a great falling away ... fomr what?! Satan ... no from Christ ... by Christians ... one can't fall away from something one is not of ...

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1 John 3:7 the children of God and righteousness ... Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

another warning to the belivers not to be deceived ...

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Revelation 2:7 ... the message to the church at Epesus ... He that hath an ear, let him hrear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Revelation 2:11 ... the message to the church at Smyrna ... He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt in the second death.

Revelation 2:17 ... He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unot the churches: To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receive it.

Revelation 2:26 ... the message to the church at Tyatria ... And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Revelation 3:5 ... the message to the church at Sardis ... He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelation 3:12 ... the message to the church at Philadelphia ... Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 3:21 ...he message to the church at Laodicea ...To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

seven messages to the overcomer ... and the promise that goes with them ... not unconditional ... one must overcome ... overcome what? would be the question ... surely, He doesn't mean one overcomes by hopping on the first fly-out outta here ... no ... He means overcome ...

two of these churches He was alright with ... they kept the knowledge to know ... the Key of David ... the genelology of Christ ... who is the very Root of David ... bringing them to the knowledge of the Kenites ... the children of the Devil ... and Satan's whole agenda ...

lest we forget ... the Devil planted his children, too ...

yes, it's a dangerous thing to think one can't be deceived ... does He not say we can even deceive ourselves ...

1 John 1:8 ... sin, it's reality and remedy ... If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ouerselves, and the truth is not in us.

we see here the very real possibility of deceiving ourselves inot thinking we aren't sinning ... often cause, as it says, the truth is not in us ... not ever having been taught it or whatever else reasons why ... it is, indeed, even possible to deceive ourselves ...

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Romans 16:19 ... personal greetings ... For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

one might onsider a babe to be simple in their understanding ... and most of the average Christians have no idea what's going on now or what's supposed to happen ... they are sppon fed from the churches ... often without ever looking in the Word for themselves ... really quite easy to deceive ...

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so, all in all, i'd say a Christian definitely, absolutely, without a doubt, can be deceived ... even by their very selves ...

telling themselves they can't be decieved would be the starting point of being deceived ...

These are passages that WARN of deception...and that a big difference. You have passages that say Christians will not be deceived...how about listing those?

Jesus said "He that comes to me I will in NO WAY cast out"...He also said the Holy Spirit will lead us to all truth.

Then John says "they went out from us but they were never of us".

We must hold scripture in balance.

10s3r · Mar 16, 2014

Shocker said:
There is not going to be a "one world religion"

Did you read my op?

I read it three times and find it ambiguous.

You did say,

If in the near future ANY man tries to unite the world religions, BEWARE..

But according to other post of your on this thread, I suppose you believe it's my church...the Catholic Church?

Shocker · Mar 16, 2014

10s3r said:
I read it three times and find it ambiguous.
But if that's the case, I suppose you believe it's my church...the Catholic Church?

I don't know what you mean by "catholic church".

The Church is the body of Christ, the head of that Church is Christ.

I view Catholicism the way I do Mormonism or the Jehovahs Witness.

10s3r · Mar 16, 2014

Shocker said:
I don't know what you mean by "catholic church".

The Church is the body of Christ, the head of that Church is Christ.

I view Catholicism the way I do Mormonism or the Jehovahs Witness.

Well that's a good thing. Most people demonize me and my Church. I don't demonize or judge any of them. I leave those judgments to Christ.

peterlindner · Mar 16, 2014

Saul didn't judge Amalek and Saul listened to Agag's sweet words. Samuel was obedient. The "Christians", mormons, and Jehovahs Witness are equally wrong with the Catholics.

The Benjamites(ravenous wolves/den of thieves) were given a supernatural spirit. Saul had it. Paul had it. It is a spirit of confusion. It is the anti-christ. It is like a wasp vs. bee. They both buzz, but only one makes honey.

NannaNae · Mar 16, 2014

"a supernatural spirit" wait Jesus had one of those and says we will do what he did !
Saul of Tarsus/paul as a pharisee maybe before he was a christian.
or are your standing in judgment of Paul after he became a christian , really?

peterlindner · Mar 16, 2014

NannaNae said:
"a supernatural spirit" wait Jesus had one of those and says we will do what he did !
Saul of Tarsus/paul as a pharisee maybe before he was a christian.
or are your standing in judgment of Paul after he became a christian , really?

Yes, Jesus had the right one. On the other hand, Paul (like Job's friends) sounds sweet and churchy. He was disobedient as a "christian". He liked to be seen praying and encouraged lots of charity; just like church!

But I won't be able to take your "Paul" away from you just as Demetris didn't want to give up his silver Gods industry.

The Benjamites end times prophecy is that of a "ravenous wolf". Paul's message has been eating up the sheep for ages.

"standing in judgement"? Wisdom isn't about dividing the obvious.

Shocker · Mar 16, 2014

peterlindner said:
Yes, Jesus had the right one. On the other hand, Paul (like Job's friends) sounds sweet and churchy. He was disobedient as a "christian". He liked to be seen praying and encouraged lots of charity; just like church!

But I won't be able to take your "Paul" away from you just as Demetris didn't want to give up his silver Gods industry.

The Benjamites end times prophecy is that of a "ravenous wolf". Paul's message has been eating up the sheep for ages.

"standing in judgement"? Wisdom isn't about dividing the obvious.

This is heresy.

NannaNae · Mar 16, 2014

well I know that the enemy stands and accuses Christians and God , night and day and sorry I can't go there and I won't help him .

especially when there is not sins unto death involved.
we have no right to judge them unless they do have such sin in their lifes.
I do not see it in Pauls life. sorry i can't play out there !

ancientsoul · Mar 17, 2014

Shocker said:
I like that better

ancientsoul · Mar 17, 2014

ebedmelech said:
These are passages that WARN of deception...and that a big difference. You have passages that say Christians will not be deceived...how about listing those?

Jesus said "He that comes to me I will in NO WAY cast out"...He also said the Holy Spirit will lead us to all truth.

Then John says "they went out from us but they were never of us".

We must hold scripture in balance.

i don't see the difference ... yes, they are warnings ... a warning is given to the possibility of something ... therefore making it possible to be deceived

you're right ... He did say that to those who come to Him ... He did NOT say it to those who fall away from Him ... His promises to those who obey and love Him ... carry no weight when it comes to abandoning Him for the false Christ ... His promises most often come with a condition ... if it isn't fulfilled, we should expect the consequences ... not that He would let something as heavy as spiritual whoredom just be overlooked ... no, to those who fall away it will be a sad day when Christ arrives ...

and as to balance ... where was the balance when you claimed they couldn't be deceived ... i didn't need to give balance ... because that was your job ... i'm merely refuting your statement that they couldn't be deceved ... which is a falsehood ...

as to listing the verses you speak of ... well, i would say that is your job, not mine ... you are the one to carry the need to prove your point ... as you are the one who made your point ...

ancientsoul · Mar 17, 2014

NannaNae said:
well I know that the enemy stands and accuses Christians and God , night and day and sorry I can't go there and I won't help him .

especially when there is not sins unto death involved.
we have no right to judge them unless they do have such sin in their lifes.
I do not see it in Pauls life. sorry i can't play out there !

yes ... and even then we can only judge their actions ... not them ... God is the judge ... and He knows what He's doing ... He needs no help ...

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peterlindner · Mar 17, 2014

Shocker said:
This is heresy.

This is the "journey" of Mathew 25:14. It is the journey of Job. The journey returns for the 2nd Passover for those effected by death or on a long "journey".

When God calls you out (ecclisi), you are alone like Peter in John 21; not serving God's angels in the boat like Acts27.

God called Abraham alone. And when Jesus reminded the crowd of this, they wanted to stone him.

NannaNae · Mar 17, 2014

peterlindner said:
This is the "journey" of Mathew 25:14. It is the journey of Job. The journey returns for the 2nd Passover for those effected by death or on a long "journey".

When God calls you out (ecclisi), you are alone like Peter in John 21; not serving God's angels in the boat like Acts27.

God called Abraham alone. And when Jesus reminded the crowd of this, they wanted to stone him.

you know when I get in that place.. I like to read and re read..

1Ki 19:14
And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.

and God responds with .....
1Ki 19:18
Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.

and to think Elijah didn't know even one of them I find amazing ! don't you ?

nope! your never the only one left in all the world honey!

ancientsoul · Mar 17, 2014

NannaNae said:
you know when I get in that place.. I like to read and re read..

1Ki 19:14
And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.

and God responds with .....
1Ki 19:18
Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.

and to think Elijah didn't know even one of them I find amazing ! don't you ?

nope! your never the only one left in all the world honey!

awesome ...

God's elect ... all through time He has reserved a few ... the set aside ones ... those chosen for HIS purpose specifically ... to bring forth the Truth ...

ViaCrucis · Mar 17, 2014

Shocker said:
If in the near future ANY man tries to unite the world religions, BEWARE..

Lots of people have tried. It doesn't work. The result is always the founding of a new religion. The Baha'i religion is based on the teachings of Mirza Husayn Ali Nuri, mor commonly known as Baha'u'llah. The religion teaches a basic unity of the human family and a unity in all/most religions. But rather than unifying the world's religions, it's simply a new religion in the big ol' bag of world religions.

So I'm not particularly concerned on this point.

The beast is not going to deny Christ, they are going to rebrand him.

That's awfully vague.

The reason this year has 7 blockbuster movies about the Bible is because they are not going to refute Jesus Christ, they are preparing the way for the coming of "A" messiah.. He is not Christ.

I don't put much stock into idle speculations and predictions based on using cinema as a kind of divination.

They are going to give you him.

They who?

The false Christ is coming... Are you ready to identify him?

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

There have been lots of false christs. Here are a few from the last two thousand years:

Simon bar Kochba
Moses of Crete
Sabbatai Zevi
Jacob Joseph Frank
Arnold Potter
Baha'u'llah
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
Sun Myung Moon
Jim Jones
David Koresh
Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda

Since there have been many in the past, many right now, I expect there shall be many more in the centuries still to come.

-CryptoLutheran

Shocker · Mar 17, 2014

ViaCrucis said:
I expect there shall be many more in the centuries still to come.

-CryptoLutheran

How I wish I had that very luxury..

ViaCrucis · Mar 17, 2014

Shocker said:
How I wish I had that very luxury..

The Parousia could happen at any moment. But it shouldn't be any more luxurious to speak of centuries to come anymore than talking about next Tuesday. Both may not show up, but it's not worth it worrying about tomorrow, as our Lord Himself says we ought not worry about tomorrow; and also that it is not ours to know the times and seasons that the Father has established.

-CryptoLutheran

Shocker · Mar 17, 2014

ViaCrucis said:
and also that it is not ours to know the times and seasons that the Father has established.

-CryptoLutheran

Don't confuse my words.. There is truly nothing for the Christian to worry about regardless of what happens..

As for your statement above, I find it contemptuous to what we are instructed by Christ to do, which is watch, and know the signs of the times.

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Joh 14:29 "Now I have told you before it happens, so that when it happens, you may believe.

Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.

Luk_21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Mat 16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

1Th_5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

Rev_3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

How often do you actually open up your Bible?

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