I am SICK AND TIRED of militant atheists!!!

She had a memorial going on city property for two years. Can you imagine if we had memorials for every single person who died at the place where they died and kept them there indefinitely? Should I go and place a five foot cross in the ICU where my son died and then insist on leaving it there for years?

My heart goes out to this mother. Truly. And the "cross is offensive" complaint is certainly stupid. But there are far better places for a memorial than at the side of the road on city property.

A nearby cemetery, perhaps, where she and her friends and neighbors could put up as many crosses as they like, for as long as they like, without reserve or interference because it would be her property.

JGiddings said:

Grieving California mom takes down cross on road after group’s protest, more appear | Fox News

Pray for me, my anger is at an all time high right now. I am so glad the woman in this article has so much support from fellow Christians.

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Good for these supporters.
Radical atheists are hoping to turn America into a country where religion is only legal behind the doors of a church.
They intend to threaten, harass, and terrorize Christians especially, becuase they clearly don't have the guts to go after others or we'd hear about that as frequently as the press gives them coverage for their terror campaigns against Christians, becuase they want to ultimately make America into a Communist nation.

Where religion is illegal. Sadly the secularist apostates who claim to be christian side with them and this simply gives the godless their impetus to keep going.

The "Freedom From Religion Foundation" is dedicated to terrorizing the religious and outlawing religion in America.

They do not believe in freedom of religion. They're committed to making America free of religion.

Militant atheists don't hate God, they hate everyone and everything.

Interesting topic. I think a part of the problem is that so much of what atheists see in Christianity in today's world is just so much religious ritual.

The idea of parents mourning their dead children sounds fine to me. Two years sounds a bit long to me personally, but it's really between that person and God to determine how long the period should be. Putting up a cross sounds fine too.

However, this issue of using a cross to represent Christianity brings a lot of the problem, I think, because Christianity is so much more than just a symbol. It's true that Jesus' death on the cross for our sins is an important part of Jesus' ministry, but it was only a part; not the whole.

Before he died, Jesus gave A LOT of instructions on how his followers are supposed to show their love for the world. A good deal of those instructions are regularly ignored.

For example, what atheist will argue that Christians should not be allowed to donate to government run children's homes?

Will even the hardest atheist protest a Christian organizing a party for children in a cancer ward of a government run hospital? Maybe, if the Christians try to display a load of crosses in the ward and keep them there long after they go. But are the crosses really necessary? Will people be confused about who is showing the love if there are not enough crosses displayed?

To be sure there is a lot of bitterness in some people, but I doubt it will help to shove more crucifixes in their faces. I personally believe they will respond better (over time) by acting on those teachings Jesus gave about showing love to our neighbor, even when those neighbors are stubborn or difficult.

tremble said:

To be sure there is a lot of bitterness in some people, but I doubt it will help to shove more crucifixes in their faces. I personally believe they will respond better (over time) by acting on those teachings Jesus gave about showing love to our neighbor, even when those neighbors are stubborn or difficult.

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I tend to agree with Tremble. I've met a lot of atheists who were very friendly towards me, and even encouraged me to continue in my faith (evangelizing etc), even though they were clear that they didn't believe in God or Jesus.

So perhaps we need to be a bit careful that we don't whitewash atheists as inherently bad people. Otherwise, we become guilty of doing the same things a lot of them are said to be guilty of towards us. It helps to remember that there are a lot of Christians out there giving Christianity a bad name with their hypocrisy, in the same way that there are a lot of self-righteous atheists who try to stop people from sharing their faith.

Omena said:

I tend to agree with Tremble. I've met a lot of atheists who were very friendly towards me, and even encouraged me to continue in my faith (evangelizing etc), even though they were clear that they didn't believe in God or Jesus.

So perhaps we need to be a bit careful that we don't whitewash atheists as inherently bad people. Otherwise, we become guilty of doing the same things a lot of them are said to be guilty of towards us. It helps to remember that there are a lot of Christians out there giving Christianity a bad name with their hypocrisy, in the same way that there are a lot of self-righteous atheists who try to stop people from sharing their faith.

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I like atheist as people but the problem is if we are true to our beliefs then Christianity and Atheism oppose each other where Atheism rejects the existence of deities and christianity proclaims service to one. Atheism as a belief itself is an enemy of God. Anything that is an enemy of God we are not to tolerate or we may end up losing our faith and be like them.


2 Timothy 2

11 Here is a trustworthy saying:
If we died with him,
we will also live with him;
12 if we endure,
we will also reign with him.
If we disown him, he will also disown us;
13 if we are faithless, he remains faithful,
for he cannot disown himself.

Dealing With False Teachers

14 Keep reminding God’s people of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. 15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 16 Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. 17 Their teaching will spread like gangrene.

One of my best friends is an atheist but I wont compromise my faith by their beliefs or only talk to them to convert them. Live and let live. Quarrelling with atheists is very counter productive activity and to be avoided.

I'll delete this thread after leaving a warning because I only left this to encourage others not to get wrapped up with word wars with those who deny the existence of our God.

Can anyone imagine how irked off the some of the more HYPOCRITICAL atheists/agnostics amoung us, as well as the heretics that support them, and other freedom hating degenerates would be if congress passed a bill today that used public funds to fund missionaries to Afghanistan and Iraq, build churches there, and print Bibles for American's and the President signed off on this?

The American Communist Lawyers Union and the Freedom From Religion Foundation and other assorted Constitution haters would have a cow.

Incidentally guess what the early congress comprised of many of are Founding Fathers did? They passed bills that used public funds to fund missionaries to the Indians, build churches, and printed Bibles! Guess who was the Pres. who signed off on it? THOMAS JEFFERSON!!!

MUHAHAHAHAHA!!!<------(Maniacal Laugh)

JGiddings said:

I'll die before someone makes me compromise the cross.

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What does that mean, though? If it means littering the landscape with wooden beams, I really don't think that was what Jesus was getting at...

JGiddings said:

I am specifically talking about militant atheists. I have atheist friends that are all cool about my faith. They love to debate it but it's all good.
Militant atheists being the orgainizations and local homebrew groups that seem to be spreading throughout the country. I live in the bible belt so that stuff doesn't fly here at all.

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What constitutes a "Militant" atheist as an individual? And when you say "that stuff doesn't fly here" what does that refer to?

JGiddings said:

I am specifically talking about militant atheists. I have atheist friends that are all cool about my faith. They love to debate it but it's all good.
Militant atheists being the orgainizations and local homebrew groups that seem to be spreading throughout the country. I live in the bible belt so that stuff doesn't fly here at all.

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There are utter idiots on both sides of the fence.

We can't change that, so there's no use in lingering on the anger.

The cross should never be not used as our symbol. I'll die before someone makes me compromise the cross.

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I'm not suggesting that Christians should stop using the cross as a symbol or cave in to demanding atheists, but there really does seem to be a significant difference in the life-style standards Jesus demonstrated and those demonstrated by the average Christian today

I've had many atheists tell me (and I'm sure people contributing on this thread have too) that they've had bad experiences with self righteous Christians etc. There is even a popular joke which says, "Jesus, save me from your followers".

I believe there would be fewer militant atheists if there was more adherence to the teachings of Jesus. Christians talk about the life changing power of Jesus' love, but Jesus himself gave a lot of teaching on HOW we are meant to express that love. A good many of those teachings are actually expressed as commands.

For example, in the book of Acts, a non-Christian man worriedly exclaims, "those who have turned the world upside down have come here also"! Those people who "turned the world upside down" were the Christians, and that "turning" came as a direct result of them selling/forsaking personal ownership of their material possessions. They sold what they had and they put the profits together into a big, communal purse, which was then disbursed according to individual need.

Thousands of people with a common interest in serving the community around them started working for love, teaching others to do the same, and traveled everywhere to promote the very life style they were already living. There is no mention either way, but it appears they were able to do all of that without crucifixes or any other kind of known symbolism to represent their beliefs. All they had were the teachings of Jesus to go by.

Who knows, it could even be that a LACK of a symbol to stand beside actually helped them to focus their attention on just getting the job done, rather than worries about whether the people around them recognized the symbol and gave it appropriate respect.

JGiddings said:

I am specifically talking about militant atheists. I have atheist friends that are all cool about my faith. They love to debate it but it's all good.
Militant atheists being the orgainizations and local homebrew groups that seem to be spreading throughout the country. I live in the bible belt so that stuff doesn't fly here at all.

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I suppose militant atheists are a bit harder to deal with (i.e. people who are actively trying to stop people from being Christian). I can't say I've had much interaction with them, since I usually just walk away from them when they start up. But hey, I also walk away from self-righteous Christians, so I guess it's a valid point that "both sides of the fence have utter idiots".

Tremble makes a good point about the early Christians having no symbol. I've personally never worn a cross, and I've never really desired too, but I don't think it's necessarily bad that people do. What I DO find a bit silly is people spending hundreds and thousands of dollars on a gold or diamond incrusted cross. Anyway, the point is that the early Christians didn't need a symbol, their "symbol" was the message. Sadly, the message is a bit lost amongst all sorts of symbols and singled out verses (crosses, church buildings, John 3:16, etc). So instead of Christianity being represented by the actions of people (much like the early Christians), it's now represented by platitudes and symbols.

Omena said:

I suppose militant atheists are a bit harder to deal with (i.e. people who are actively trying to stop people from being Christian).

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So, someone who is militant is someone who is trying to convert someone to their religion or ideology?

How many people here have evangelized to someone in the hopes that they will convert to your religion? How many are currently, actively trying to get someone to believe in Jesus?

I'm just wondering why such people are "militant" atheists, but their Christian counterparts are "evangelical"?

Militancy, in this thread, was defined by the OP regarding the article about atheists insisting that a grieving mother remove her memorial from the roadside where her child was killed because they were offended over "religion" on state owned property.

She was not blocking the road. Neither was she asking the government to pay for the materials used to make the cross. She was not claiming to represent the government and she was not soliciting atheists to stop and participate with her demonstration.

She was a citizen exercising her freedom of religion. That atheists insist she not be allowed to exercise that right simply because they are offended over a religious symbol does show some measure of what I'd think of as militancy.