Paul's type of Christian VS..Todays brand of Christian..!

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How many people are like PAUL when they teach the Gosple...Go to a city and in one day start a riot because of it...?

How many people are like "todays brand of Christian"...Teach love and luck and lolipops to everyone...Don't make waves..don't rock the boat..Teach a watered down Christianity that has NO salt..just bland milktoast...?

I think this belongs in "unorthodox"...because if I discuss this anywhere else...I might get the boot for it...Like Paul always seemed to have happen...end up getting stoned and tossed out on a heap for the RIGHT message that always started a riot......!
 

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Today at 08:58 AM EPHRIAM777 said this in Post #1 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=648547#post648547)

How many people are like PAUL when they teach the Gosple...Go to a city and in one day start a riot because of it...?

How many people are like "todays brand of Christian"...Teach love and luck and lolipops to everyone...Don't make waves..don't rock the boat..Teach a watered down Christianity that has NO salt..just bland milktoast...?

I think this belongs in "unorthodox"...because if I discuss this anywhere else...I might get the boot for it...Like Paul always seemed to have happen...end up getting stoned and tossed out on a heap for the RIGHT message that always started a riot......!

It has widely been observed that, by the end of the Nicean Council, Christianity had been turned into Paulinity.
 
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Hey Ephriam777,

Something Christ said comes to mind here, "Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."(MT 10:34) Now this doesn't mean that I think every time we offend people that we are in the right, but I do see your point here and agree. God Bless. Bill
 
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Today at 10:58 AM EPHRIAM777 said this in Post #1

How many people are like PAUL when they teach the Gosple...Go to a city and in one day start a riot because of it...?

How many people are like "todays brand of Christian"...Teach love and luck and lolipops to everyone...Don't make waves..don't rock the boat..Teach a watered down Christianity that has NO salt..just bland milktoast...?

I think this belongs in "unorthodox"...because if I discuss this anywhere else...I might get the boot for it...Like Paul always seemed to have happen...end up getting stoned and tossed out on a heap for the RIGHT message that always started a riot......!

Hi Eph,

 It's possible what you say is still true to some extent. And I actually have to agree that Christianity has been very watered down. But to transplant Paul's situation to today requires, in my opinion, careful posturing. First of all, in Paul's day, you were dealing with a people who already had religion. They were Pharisees, Saducees and High Priests who had the oracles of God and knew them better than most Christians today (as far as I can tell). So there was an existing understanding and idea - the law was deeply ingrained, but little real spirit. So to challenge the written law would be anathema! Only thing is, Paul didn't preach against the law, but that there was no way to fulfill it but by the Saviour - Jesus Christ. Most of the religious elite were in league against Him. So to admit they had murdered an innocent man, or that they at least approved of it...there was a lot of pride there. Ironically, it was the worst pagans and heathen that received the gospel most easily. I think the thing to take from it is that if you experience a lot of 'negative feedback' from the prevailing Christian 'elite' then you are likely close to the truth. That said, it doesn't always hold. Testing the spirits of those who listen...that's where one can tell who is most open to the truth.
 
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Amen Nikolai. In order to recieve Christ one must admit that they are a sinner, and that they are not worthy of heaven without Christ. This can certainly make waves with those who consider themselves "above" this. I would add that as God hates the lukewarm, people's reaction to Him seems to be the same, they either love Him deeply, or they hate Him vehemently. God Bless. Bill
 
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Amen! I agree whole heartedly. I'm the boat rocker of the group. But only when necessary. I stand for the Bible and for the truth and people don't always want to hear that. If you look at modern day Christianity it has become what I call "entertainment Christianity". They say, come on in, Jesus loves you, Jesus is your buddy. Come as you are Jesus doesn't mind. And that's all true but they end the teaching there. To use a Biblical reference they 2 Timothy 3:5 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof:..." miss the "meat" of the Word and try to survive only on milk. Now with these "health" and "wealth" Faith teachers they are lead into the belief that God wants them to be fulfilled here on earth, that he wants them healthy and wealthy. Jesus has become some kind of genie that pops out and says, "how can I feed your flesh?". These are the people that I find myself working with the most, lately. They say, I don't have all kinds of money, or I'm in bad health, I must not have enough faith.

They don't understand the truth of the Gospel:

If you want to win you have to lose.
If you want to gain you have to give away.
If you want to live you have to die.
 
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seebs said

It has widely been observed that, by the end of the Nicean Council, Christianity had been turned into Paulinity. [/B]


Eph replies...

Oohh...I'd have to disagree there...just the opposite..!

By the time Nicea came around...PAUL had been almost put out to "pastor" so to speak..LOL

His message of FAITH and GRACE in Jesus Christ alone..was replaced by the CHURCH handing out grace for faith in IT...and the church's ability to take it away by way of "excommunication"... if you didn't comply with them..and what they commanded to be "faithed"...!

This vice like grip on salvation....wasn't broken till the inventing of the printing press came about..! When a man or woman could read the word printed in their OWN language.. (not Latin)...and they could then know what PAUL had taught..instead of what the "offical church" said he taught...!
 
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nikolai_42 said

Hi Eph,

 It's possible what you say is still true to some extent. And I actually have to agree that Christianity has been very watered down. But to transplant Paul's situation to today requires, in my opinion, careful posturing. First of all, in Paul's day, you were dealing with a people who already had religion. They were Pharisees, Saducees and High Priests who had the oracles of God and knew them better than most Christians today (as far as I can tell). So there was an existing understanding and idea - the law was deeply ingrained, but little real spirit. So to challenge the written law would be anathema! Only thing is, Paul didn't preach against the law, but that there was no way to fulfill it but by the Saviour - Jesus Christ.

Eph writes..

Well Paul..like us...had to deal with a wide range of different people...Mars Hill was full of False Religions...but Paul was able to deliver the Gosple to them also...He used whatever he could to begin a sermon...In that case the Unknown God that they worshipped..! He was able to discuss Judiasm with Jews...Paganism with Pagans....Not many "Christians" would even give those people the time of day...They'd quote some "be ye seperate from the world"...type scripture..!

BTW Paul taught that the LAW..ie OT Law of Mt Sinai..given to Moses was dead...( see COL 2:14 )...


Nikolai 42 says...

Most of the religious elite were in league against Him. So to admit they had murdered an innocent man, or that they at least approved of it...there was a lot of pride there. Ironically, it was the worst pagans and heathen that received the gospel most easily. I think the thing to take from it is that if you experience a lot of 'negative feedback' from the prevailing Christian 'elite' then you are likely close to the truth. That said, it doesn't always hold. Testing the spirits of those who listen...that's where one can tell who is most open to the truth. [/B]

Eph says...

The Gosple does not draw big crowds TO it...it usually starts a riot...!
 
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His message of FAITH and GRACE in Jesus Christ alone..was replaced by the CHURCH handing out grace for faith in IT...and the church's ability to take it away by way of "excommunication"... if you didn't comply with them..and what they commanded to be "faithed"...!
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This vice like grip on salvation....wasn't broken till the inventing of the printing press came about..! When a man or woman could read the word printed in their OWN language.. (not Latin)...and they could then know what PAUL had taught..instead of what the "offical church" said he taught...!
Oh, yeah....the evil old Catholic Church never produced any Bibles that weren't in Latin, just so they could keep people in the dark.

Right?

This, of course, completely ignores the fact that prior to the Reformation, there were Church-approved vernacular translations in Spanish, Italian, Danish, French, Norwegian, Polish, Bohemian, and Hungarian.

In English alone, we have the Anglo-Saxon translation of Caedmon of Whitby in the 600's AD, the Saxon versions of Bede of Jarrow, Eadhelm of Sherbourne, Guthlac of Peterborough, and one Egbert in the 700's AD; then the free translations of Alfred the Great and Aelfric of Canturbury, the Book of Durham, and the Rushworth Gloss, all from well before the Norman Conquest; the Orm Paraphrase of 1150 and the Salus Animae of 1250, and the Middle English translations of William Shoreham and Richard Rolle, both from the 1300's.

All of these, you will take note, existed centuries before John Wycliffe's flawed English translation of 1525, which was full of translational errors and was, in fact, so bad that Henry VIII ordered every copy of it within the kingdom to be located, seized, and burned.

The idea that the Church kept the Bible out of the language of the people in order to keep them in the dark is a load of baloney. Were there Bibles in Latin? Sure; it was the Church's litrugical language. Were Bibles chained to pulpits in churches? Sure they were. They were copied by hand and often decorated with precious stones and metals, and ergo represented both decades of work and extreme monetary value---they were chained up to keep thieves from stealing them---but anyone who could read was free to enter the church and read the village Bible at any time.

Which brings up the point of literacy; most common people during the Middle Ages couldn't read anyway, so it really didn't matter much if their Bible was in Latin, English, German, Hindustani, or Klingon, did it? If you can't read, you can't read.

You might want to pick up a copy of Where we Got the Bible, by Henry G. Graham (TAN Books, Rockford IL 61105), which debunks loads of these Reformation fables concerning the Catholic Church and the Bible.
 
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Hi,
so far my mind is a blank?? what have you said that is hastening 'anything'???---P/N/B/

PS: Personaly 'i' for one am glad to see Christ send His Workers out with names, instead of an assumed alias. It seems that Paul also had an name, & a doctrine. Perhaps these ones were not ashamed of their 'faith' or Master.


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Yesterday at 06:58 AM EPHRIAM777 said this in Post #1 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=648547#post648547)

How many people are like PAUL when they teach the Gosple...Go to a city and in one day start a riot because of it...?

How many people are like "todays brand of Christian"...Teach love and luck and lolipops to everyone...Don't make waves..don't rock the boat..Teach a watered down Christianity that has NO salt..just bland milktoast...?

I think this belongs in "unorthodox"...because if I discuss this anywhere else...I might get the boot for it...Like Paul always seemed to have happen...end up getting stoned and tossed out on a heap for the RIGHT message that always started a riot......!
 
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