Iowa Refers 80 Cases of Vote Fraud

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How much more are you willing to be taxed in order to finance the project of bringing the voter fraud rate down to 0?

Since when is raising taxes to finance anything an issue with the left?
 
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If you and Repubicans are so serious about preventing voter fraud then where's the proposal to prevent the vast majority of voter fraud which is committed through absetee ballot?

Um, Republicans seem to be the only ones attempting to call attention to and insure prosecution of absentee voter fraud.


Funny how the only area where you guys seem to care about this issue also has the "unintended" consequense of disenfanchising demographics that primarily vote Democratic. But I'm sure that's unitentional....yeah right

You have to prove that voter ID would disenfranchise anyone, including poor, elderly, rural conservatives.

How much more are you willing to be taxed in order to finance the project of bringing the voter fraud rate down to 0?

How 'bout we just nail the one's guilty instead of pretending the problem doesn't exist?

The difference is 999,999 votes.

And you still don't get the point.
 
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Because why? Democrats are less capable than non-Democrats at accomplishing simple task such as having their picture made? No, wait, it is because all of these people live 300 miles from a DMV office and will have to walk uphill in both directions through the freezing snow to get there only to be turned away by some evil Republican bureaucrat whose mission in life is to stop them from voting.

How Voter ID Laws Are Being Used to Disenfranchise Minorities and the Poor

Texas voter ID law may disenfranchise a third of female voters

Voter ID Laws Could Disenfranchise 1 Million Young Minority Voters: Study

Study: Voter ID law would exclude up to 700,000 young minorities

Republicans Admit Voter ID Laws Are Aimed at Democratic Voters

Don Yelton (R-NC) “If it hurts a bunch of lazy blacks… so be it,” Yelton said. “The law is going to kick the Democrats in the butt.”

Mark Turzai (R-PA) “Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania: done”

Judge Richard Posner (appointed by Reagan) “Let’s not beat around the bush: The Indiana voter photo ID Law is a not-too-thinly-veiled attempt to discourage election-day turnout by certain folks believed to skew Democratic.”
 
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Um, Republicans seem to be the only ones attempting to call attention to and insure prosecution of absentee voter fraud.
Do you have any proof that Republicans prosecute abentee voter fraud at a higher rate than Democrats.

You have to prove that voter ID would disenfranchise anyone, including poor, elderly, rural conservatives.
This proof has been presented ad nauseum. You continue to reject it and then demand that is be presented.
 
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Already did. Your source merely asserted a claim. No data was provided.

What part of "Investigation" is so complex?:doh:

And let's remember that Schultz is a Republican running for Congress.
 
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Hmm. So far Iowa's managed to land 5 convictions and 5 dismissals on the 16 charges of voter fraud it's taken to court. Here are the convictions (all plead guilty):

3 were felons who thought their right to vote was restored when they finished their sentence. That would've been true as recently as 2011 but the new Republican governor signed an executive order eliminating that practice on his first day in office. Felons now need to petition his office for a restoration of their voting rights. A couple dozen have succeeded in doing so. These three clearly didn't.

The other two are pathetic. A mother whose daughter had gone off to college in another state got a call from her daughter that she'd missed the registration deadline in that state. Mom checked the boxes on her Iowa absentee ballot so her daughter could vote in Iowa instead. Turned out that the daughter was wrong and did manage to vote in her new state. Mom turned herself in to local authorities. The judge ignored the possibility of a felony sentence with years in jail and instead gave her a $150 fine.

The last was a guy who got a DUI, lost his license, and stole his dead brother's identity so he could keep driving. Did he vote twice? No. Was he ineligible to vote? No. Did he vote under his fake identity? You betchya.

Given that the whole purpose of this 'voter fraud probe' was to provide political cover for Republican voter license requirements, it's a shame that none of the convictions are cases where voter ID would even be useful.
 
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Do you have any proof that Republicans prosecute abentee voter fraud at a higher rate than Democrats.

The parties don't do the prosecuting. Please carefully read what I wrote before twisting.

This proof has been presented ad nauseum. You continue to reject it and then demand that is be presented


No it hasn't and certainly not by you.

Hmm. So far Iowa's managed to land 5 convictions and 5 dismissals on the 16 charges of voter fraud it's taken to court. Here are the convictions (all plead guilty):

3 were felons who thought their right to vote was restored when they finished their sentence. That would've been true as recently as 2011 but the new Republican governor signed an executive order eliminating that practice on his first day in office. Felons now need to petition his office for a restoration of their voting rights. A couple dozen have succeeded in doing so. These three clearly didn't.

The other two are pathetic. A mother whose daughter had gone off to college in another state got a call from her daughter that she'd missed the registration deadline in that state. Mom checked the boxes on her Iowa absentee ballot so her daughter could vote in Iowa instead. Turned out that the daughter was wrong and did manage to vote in her new state. Mom turned herself in to local authorities. The judge ignored the possibility of a felony sentence with years in jail and instead gave her a $150 fine.

The last was a guy who got a DUI, lost his license, and stole his dead brother's identity so he could keep driving. Did he vote twice? No. Was he ineligible to vote? No. Did he vote under his fake identity? You betchya.

Given that the whole purpose of this 'voter fraud probe' was to provide political cover for Republican voter license requirements, it's a shame that none of the convictions are cases where voter ID would even be useful.


So, do you think if someone is convicted of vote fraud they should have their voting rights restored after serving time?
 
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How Voter ID Laws Are Being Used to Disenfranchise Minorities and the Poor

Texas voter ID law may disenfranchise a third of female voters

Voter ID Laws Could Disenfranchise 1 Million Young Minority Voters: Study

Study: Voter ID law would exclude up to 700,000 young minorities

Republicans Admit Voter ID Laws Are Aimed at Democratic Voters

Don Yelton (R-NC) “If it hurts a bunch of lazy blacks… so be it,” Yelton said. “The law is going to kick the Democrats in the butt.”

Mark Turzai (R-PA) “Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania: done”

Judge Richard Posner (appointed by Reagan) “Let’s not beat around the bush: The Indiana voter photo ID Law is a not-too-thinly-veiled attempt to discourage election-day turnout by certain folks believed to skew Democratic.”

Are you serious? I actually wasted my time wading through these leftwing opinion pieces. There is no substantiation to their claims! It's all based on supposition and fearmongering. Every single objection that has been raised has been addressed. Even when it is suggested that taxpayer funds could be used to help people comply. Therefore, it has to be assumed that the real objection to voter id is that it would prevent people who shouldn't be voting from voting, including dead people, illegals, etc. People have to have id for all sorts of life events like buying alcohol, applying for a loan or school. It's a red herring and you need to get off it. Properly crafted voter id laws won't prevent any legal voting even if it doesn't prevent any ILLEGAL voting.

The point of this OP is not voter id. I apologize that I allowed the left here to sucker me into a tangent to take the focus off the real issue: Fraud
 
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So, do you think if someone is convicted of vote fraud they should have their voting rights restored after serving time?

Sure. But it doesn't really matter what I think. Until as recently as 2011 that was the opinion of the state of Iowa. Then the first-day governor signed an executive order. Plenty of felons were eligible to vote in the election in 2012. Just not the cats who were released after the executive order. Seems kinda silly.

At the end of the day, the allegations of voter fraud are screamed because Republicans want political cover for voter ID laws that suppress voting. It's not about fraud. A $150,000 investigation managed to turn up 80 potential cases. Far fewer have had charges pressed. So far as many charges have resulted in dismissal as conviction. And those convictions have been pathetic. Nothing nefarious.

A couple years ago local conservatives tried to move the city council elections to the primary date (when students would be out of town). The ostensible reason was so the city elections weren't overshadowed by presidential politics, but the debate in the newspaper quickly devolved into whether students deserved to vote in the town they lived in. Conservative leaders wrote letters and editorials that they didn't deserve to vote. That the election should be scheduled when many have left town to visit family so they can't vote in our elections. When that measure finally came up for a vote it lost by a landslide. Why? Because conservatives were honest about their goals.

The state and national conservatives aren't as dumb as our local ones. They scream 'Voter Fraud' because 'Lets suppress minority votes' doesn't have the same ring. They waste hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars searching for a handful of petty cases of voter fraud. And then propose solutions that wouldn't have stopped any of those frauds. (All 5 convictions in Iowa are for folks who voted fraudulently with absentees or IDs).

This has never been about voter fraud. If it was they'd stop huffing about voter ID laws.
 
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Iowa Refers 80 Cases of Voter Fraud to Prosecutors | National Review Online#!

Of course, liberals always downplay the issue, insisting it either doesn't exist or that it's rare. You have to wonder though, if most vote fraud involved conservatives, wouldn't it then be considered important enough to investigate? Since the article doesn't mentioned in which races and candidates there is evidence of fraud, based on the fact that only liberals are upset, one would assume they involve dems. Further, this is just the state of Iowa. If other state's attorney generals were more interested, surely they would find several cases, too. Instead, there appears to be a "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil" attitude.

80 cases refered, and then there is this:
"Iowa Secretary of State Matt Schultz has little to show for a voter fraud investigation that has gone on for nearly 18 months and cost the state almost $150,000.

Schultz, a Republican who has made ballot security his signature issue since taking office in 2011, struck a two-year deal with the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation in July 2012 to assign an agent full time to investigating voter fraud cases.

Since then, according to figures provided by the secretary’s office, the effort has yielded criminal charges in 16 cases, of which five have resulted in guilty pleas and five have been dismissed. None of the cases has, as yet, gone to trial.The DCI has been paid $149,200 for its efforts so far and could receive up to $280,000 out of the secretary of state’s budget.

Schultz said the investigations have proved the existence of voter fraud in Iowa and bolstered his case for more scrutiny at the polls and verification of voters.

“Before, the narrative was that there’s no such thing as voter fraud,” he said. “That’s obviously changed. Iowans expect us to do something when we know there’s a problem.”

Advocates for ballot access and Schultz’s critics, however, say the five guilty pleas prove only that voter misconduct is statistically insignificant — and that it’s generally the result of misunderstandings rather than fraud.

“Nationally and in Iowa, we just do not see that voter fraud is a big issue,” said Bonnie Pitz, president of the nonpartisan League of Women Voters of Iowa."
Just aint that much of an issue.

 
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How 'bout we just nail the one's guilty instead of pretending the problem doesn't exist?

I love the way hyperbole becomes fact for some conservatives and liberals. In this case "in person voter fraud is not the all pervasive epidemic that conservatives claim it is" becomes "there is not voter fraud".

:doh:
 
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Hmm. So far Iowa's managed to land 5 convictions and 5 dismissals on the 16 charges of voter fraud it's taken to court. Here are the convictions (all plead guilty):

3 were felons who thought their right to vote was restored when they finished their sentence. That would've been true as recently as 2011 but the new Republican governor signed an executive order eliminating that practice on his first day in office. Felons now need to petition his office for a restoration of their voting rights. A couple dozen have succeeded in doing so. These three clearly didn't.

The other two are pathetic. A mother whose daughter had gone off to college in another state got a call from her daughter that she'd missed the registration deadline in that state. Mom checked the boxes on her Iowa absentee ballot so her daughter could vote in Iowa instead. Turned out that the daughter was wrong and did manage to vote in her new state. Mom turned herself in to local authorities. The judge ignored the possibility of a felony sentence with years in jail and instead gave her a $150 fine.

The last was a guy who got a DUI, lost his license, and stole his dead brother's identity so he could keep driving. Did he vote twice? No. Was he ineligible to vote? No. Did he vote under his fake identity? You betchya.

Given that the whole purpose of this 'voter fraud probe' was to provide political cover for Republican voter license requirements, it's a shame that none of the convictions are cases where voter ID would even be useful.

Shocking! When you look at the actual facts, they don't support the wild-eyed claims of conservatives. Shocking!
 
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So, do you think if someone is convicted of vote fraud they should have their voting rights restored after serving time?

1. So's Law.
2. What does the information SnowCal presented have to do with your questions?
3. What does SnowCal's opinion with regard to your question have to do with the information he provided regarding the facts in the 5 cases?
 
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Shocking! When you look at the actual facts, they don't support the wild-eyed claims of conservatives. Shocking!
Yet, we see here a large number of voter fraud cases identified ... thus negating the argument that no large number of voter fraud cases has ever existed. That claim is now exposed as a LIE.

Now, assuming that as many as 10% of fraud cases were actually identified ... which seems unlikely for a number of reasons ... then a more realistic number for total voter fraud cases would be closer to 1000 ... a number quite capable of swinging some elections. If we assume the more likely case that only perhaps 1% of voter fraud cases were identified then the total number of fraudulent votes would be closer to 10,000, a number capable of swinging many elections.
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