Why would Jesus pray and talk to himself?

pepsibluefan said:

This might seem like an age old question but it still confuses me. In my belief I believe God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one in the same. However, when Jesus was on the cross he says "Father why have you forsaken me?" implying he momentry lost faith in his Father.

Why would he ask that question when he knew the answer to his own question? Did the Lord just "act" the whole time? I am rather confused about this.

It is like me pretty much talking to myself when I know the answer. I mean, Jesus is God in the flesh and he knew what was going to happen. So I am really lost here. Maybe someone can clarify that for me?

Saying something like "We can't always understand God" is a comp out in my opinion. It's not that I don't have faith in him, I just would like an answer.

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(There are many, many "theories" on why he said this and I will (try) to give you just a few possibilities) Jesus said this (I believe) for us, so that we might understand that even if we do all the right things, (or we do the wrong thing, for all the right reasons, and save many, except ourselves) and we suffer greatly for it, we might feel forsaken by God, the Father...

For Jesus Did go to Hell after he died, However his Father could bear condemning his only firstborn Son, to hell, or any others previously sent there, the ones who just/only (for the reason of maybe) of doing, (or perhaps "using") some minor wrong thing(s) (a consequence of using supernatural power, which some would call arcane, maybe) but for all the "right" reasons, the reasons of/to save many, many others, but he needed the Father to save him, which is why after three days spent in Hell, we see him resurrected, and we see him ascend to the Father in heaven (maybe, again, maybe) (I'm working off possibilities which are only a few among many, and I have to admit, I could be wrong)

But I think he said that for our sake's, at any rate I still don't quite have it all figured/worked out, but I only hope I gave you some food for thought though...

At any rate, God Bless!

Oh, and P.S.

Exactly "why" Jesus said that is one of the LAST mysteries about God you figure out not the FIRST, or even some of those mysteries in between, so If you Don't have those mysteries figured out yet, don't expect for this one, to be one of the first ones you'll fully comprehend...

For example we still do not know or understand or fully comprehend the "Mystery" behind/how/why the miracle of the loaves and fishes happened what exactly occurred, or what was meant there and I believe we will come to understand that one first, (before) we can fully comprehend the one your talking about...

But then again someone else out there might be able to rebuke me and have a different, better stance/direction/idea about it that could be right, my reply here might "incense" or provoke them to coming up with a better understanding/direction/idea, "different" response, I guess, I sincerely hope so, we'll see?

At any rate, God Bless!

Keep in mind that Jesus was fully the "Son of man" and the "Son of God" and what He knew to be true of His Father, He suffered in the flesh greatly. It was more of a lamentation: My God, why must it be that we must go to this extreme for mankind who will not have us to reign over them for good. Just a thought!

1watchman said:

Keep in mind that Jesus was fully the "Son of man" and the "Son of God" and what He knew to be true of His Father, He suffered in the flesh greatly. It was more of a lamentation: My God, why must it be that we must go to this extreme for mankind who will not have us to reign over them for good. Just a thought!

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By this Extreme, do you mean condemning yourself to hell, just to save some others, or to move The Father to buy back or redeem those who may have done some minor wrong thing, (conquering and using or stealing another's uncanny power perhaps) (Maybe?) in the Father's eyes, but for all the right reasons, or what?

And, at either rate all decided, conceived of and approved of (planned and predicted) by the Father, so by/upon and with whose power and authority was he (Jesus) acting?

At any/either rate I'm just very, very Glad that the Father did come through for him and us who follow him, in the end...

God Bless!

pepsibluefan said:

The problem here is we are referring to the Father and Son like they separate. So Jesus goes to hell, only to have his Father save him?

So God saved himself from hell? Jesus was a man and God, but he was still God. x_x I am thinking about this.

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He existed before and was present at creation with God, and is the Word of God, like God's mouth, which was part of his (the Fathers) head, which was part of his, (the Fathers body) But the Father's Body is made up of many, many angels/creatures/creations, which Jesus was one (part) of, either God, the Father's head or his mouth, Jesus Christ (Being the Father's head) was the head of all the angels...

When he came down to earth to be with/among us, he was going through the experience of knowing what it was like to be human, something he previously didn't know and had never experienced before and was the one and only thing "left" for Jesus to learn/know from the Father in order to completely "Like him" (the Father)

So, after he (Jesus) went though this/his one last educational experience by/from the Father, the last thing he learned (that he previously didn't know, nor had any concept of, and which none of the other immortal creatures of God, except Jesus ever learned, But the Father had/did, "Know/knew) was what a "mortal death" and "dying" was like, and after went through this one last educational/training experience, (After he (Jesus) was resurrected) he then THEN "knew" "Everything" the Father knew and so then "now", now could be just exactly like him (The Father) and receive his inheritance (Heaven and Earth)

And so, Jesus became "exactly" like the Father, knowing absolutely everything the Father knew, even the nature of sin and suffering and death and the nature of self-sacrifice, which none of the other immortal creatures God (the Father) created "Knew" about, only Jesus and the Father alone now had "all" knowledge of every single thing, which made Jesus qualified to sit and act and lead in the Father's place, and rule over angels and men, as if he were the Father himself because now they were exactly alike...

That's one of my theories anyways, hope that helps, at the very least it might expand your horizons a bit...

Have a Good day/night, and in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, God Bless!

Remember in Gethsemane Jesus was praying to His Father and He stopped answering the prayers of Jesus. Jesus asked that "if there was any other way to save my people, let me know, but YOUR will be done..." But God didn't answer.

For the VERY FIRST TIME... Jesus who was with God for ALL OF ETERNITY had finally felt what WE felt here on earth.

He wasn't just a God who was shielded away and protected from the human suffering and human struggles that WE have to face every day. For once the Son of God, Jesus, also felt the unbearable separation from His Father and in order for Him to lead us out of death it was necessary for Him to become one of US... To suffer as us... To suffer FOR us and to be one of us and among us... "Emanuel" = "God with us."

For thousands of years no one has been able to solve this mystery of death. Nobody knows what happens after death. God says if we keep the commandments we will resurrect at the end of the world, He promised... But over thousands of years we have just grown to be impatient because we've never seen this done before. Nobody has ever seen a man conquer death and so we begin to question God and question His promise for a better life. We begin to ponder about it and we start to create our own conclusions about death... that maybe there isn't a God... Maybe it was a big bang... The reason why God sent His son Jesus was because we started to lose hope. Our trust in God started dying so He gave Himself to us. He endured all the same human experiences we had to go thru EVEN being forsaken by His own Father because this feeling of being forsaken is one of the main reasons why it is so hard to TRUST God and so it was necessary for Jesus to feel that feeling of being forsaken so then when He resurrected we can not say "Well your father only resurrected you because you are His Son, of course He won't forsake you."

But no no no. On the contrary, even Jesus... His own one and only Son was forsaken... There was no exception. That way we will KNOW we can trust Him. If He forsakes His own son and resurrects Him, WE TOO can be resurrected. This is why we need to BELIEVE in that resurrection. With out the belief, we are lost.

There was a story about a soldier who had served in vietnam.. He tried to rescue some prisoners of war. These prisoners were being tortured, not only physically but mentally as well so what would happen was there would be several false raids where they would feel like they were being set free but turns out it was only their oppressors who were trying to destroy their hope.

So one day a group of US marines were tagged to rescue these prisoners and so they broke in and they saw these prisoners on the floor beaten and psychologically tormented and even though those US marines were there to save the prisoners, the prisoners couldn't trust the soldiers believing it was just another fake raid so one of the soldiers knew what he had to do.. He stripped naked took off his military uniform and laid naked on the floor with the prisoners and became one of them so that those prisoners can finally put their trust in that soldier to lead them to freedom.

Jesus had to be one of us even to the point of being forsaken so that we know that if Jesus can resurrect, we have to follow His lead and we too can resurrect and gain eternal life in heaven.

I always thought that at the point that He said "God why have you forsaken me" was the moment that He was taking all our sins upon Himself.

Because of Him having all our sin, that would have made Him unable to be with/dwell and would have been separated from God in spirit.

I think that's why He said it.

pepsibluefan said:

At creation "with" God? He is God.

This is the problem, we talk about it like they are totally separate beings when in fact they aren't. It is God talking to himself. [Remember in my belief anyways]

Pretty sure God the Father isn't made up of "anything". So you are saying that all things God created fused with him?..I am also pretty sure there is nothing in the bible that says this at all. The physical manifestation of God (in my belief) is Jesus Christ.

I am calling it out because I think you are severely misinformed. What exactly is your belief anyways? Does your minister preach this?

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No offense, I can see how it can be confusing because it was once confusing for me, but I"m just going to refer you to a couple of scriptures for now but to know How the Father and Son are, or rather became one see John 17: 10-12, 17: 20-26 for now and really "read" the "whole" gospel of John (and the other gospels (several times over, if you can))

Now I don't wish to stumble you but hopefully this one will make you dig-in and search for yourself/sort out what your beliefs really are and where you really stand..

John 14:28- "You heard that I said to you, I am going away and I am coming back to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, BECAUSE THE FATHER IS "GREATER" THAN I AM"

Look it up in any translation you like, they/it will say the same thing, again, not to stumble you, but to make you search and dig and study...

In the Name of the The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit God Bless! and will pray for you, to the Father, and in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit for your guidance, God Bless!

pepsibluefan said:

This might seem like an age old question but it still confuses me. In my belief I believe God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one in the same. However, when Jesus was on the cross he says "Father why have you forsaken me?" implying he momentry lost faith in his Father.

Why would he ask that question when he knew the answer to his own question? Did the Lord just "act" the whole time? I am rather confused about this.

It is like me pretty much talking to myself when I know the answer. I mean, Jesus is God in the flesh and he knew what was going to happen. So I am really lost here. Maybe someone can clarify that for me?

Saying something like "We can't always understand God" is a comp out in my opinion. It's not that I don't have faith in him, I just would like an answer.

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You're having trouble understanding this because you do not understand the nature of the Trinity. The Father and Jesus are not the same person in two different modes. It is not sometimes the Father and sometimes the Son, but both the Father and the Son (and the Spirit). They are two different people but One God. They are One in essence but separate in terms of their person:

Matthew 3:16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;

Matthew 3:17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."

When Jesus was baptized, the Father spoke from Heaven while the Holy Spirit anointed Him. All three members of the Trinity are there.

The reason Jesus prayed that prayer are manifold; one is that He is quoting Psalm 22. Another is that God the Father turned His back on Jesus because He was made sin on the cross. I just posted something about how that works here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7806985/

pepsibluefan said:

This might seem like an age old question but it still confuses me. In my belief I believe God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one in the same. However, when Jesus was on the cross he says "Father why have you forsaken me?" implying he momentry lost faith in his Father.

Why would he ask that question when he knew the answer to his own question? Did the Lord just "act" the whole time? I am rather confused about this.

It is like me pretty much talking to myself when I know the answer. I mean, Jesus is God in the flesh and he knew what was going to happen. So I am really lost here. Maybe someone can clarify that for me?

Saying something like "We can't always understand God" is a comp out in my opinion. It's not that I don't have faith in him, I just would like an answer.

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i asked the lord these questions. and he showed me how he could be equal to ,one with and subject to the father.
and it is all encapsulated in John ch one vs 1 to 5.
i have explained it often ..to me it is so clear.but i notice the carnal mind doesn't get it. God can show it to our spirit- so ask him .

im happy to share what he showed me.but he can show you in a way you most need .

pepsibluefan said:

This might seem like an age old question but it still confuses me. In my belief I believe God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one in the same. However, when Jesus was on the cross he says "Father why have you forsaken me?" implying he momentry lost faith in his Father.

Why would he ask that question when he knew the answer to his own question? Did the Lord just "act" the whole time? I am rather confused about this.

It is like me pretty much talking to myself when I know the answer. I mean, Jesus is God in the flesh and he knew what was going to happen. So I am really lost here. Maybe someone can clarify that for me?

Saying something like "We can't always understand God" is a comp out in my opinion. It's not that I don't have faith in him, I just would like an answer.

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a few answered, ... (they were deleted, banned or silenced most places)

There's a big difference between knowing you will face sorrow and pain and the reality of going through it.

When it began at Gethsemane Jesus found it unbearable and prayed for the cup to be removed, yet in surrendering to God's will angels came and strengthened him.

Finally on the cross, being mocked even by the thieves beside him, he cried for deliverance but found none.

He was forsaken by God, yet he still trusted.

Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose...

No deliverance for Jesus but deliverance for you and me.