If you could change the bible

Hikarifuru · Jan 27, 2014

I mean sure I've read the book but before that, no, the book just informs you that you have to be killed if you don't repent for what is not conceivable wrong to do other than that it states it and then you spend your life trying to conform to the book against your natural desires and repenting more because you can't... all for the purpose of him not killing you.

Gracelands · Jan 27, 2014

If we put down our old nature i believe He gives us the new one.

Hikarifuru · Jan 27, 2014

Gracelands said:
If we put down our old nature i believe He gives us the new one.

Alright, I really didn't intend to get so emotional or rhetorical here, I'm not actually trying to change you. I was just trying to tell I felt after being provoked to do so.

I personally do not feel like I should have to give anything up, I'm not bad, neither are my kids and loved ones, we don't need forgiveness and we don't deserve to die. I love my friends and they've loved me, we don't deserve to die.

Gracelands · Jan 27, 2014

Death comes to the old nature Dean thats what its all about. Christ came so we could have a new one, in Him, in Life....protected from that massive bus that is around the corner.

Sorry, if ive come across as emotional and it seems like a bad thing or a hateful thing. Its not meant that way. At risk of sounding even more emotional and dramatic i'm just going to ask you to please choose Life.

Hikarifuru · Jan 27, 2014

Gracelands said:
Death comes to the old nature Dean thats what its all about. Christ came so we could have a new one, in Him, in Life....protected from that massive bus that is around the corner.

Sorry, if ive come across as emotional and it seems like a bad thing or a hateful thing. Its not meant that way. At risk of sounding even more emotional and dramatic i'm just going to ask you to please choose Life.

I can't it would cause me to need to believe that I am horrible, evil thing that needs to be destroyed if it cannot be changed and I cannot bear feeling that way again and I just don't believe it and it would cause me to believe that my friends must also be destroyed if they cannot be changed and that my children too, my sweet little girls will one day face death at the hands of a god.

But death doesn't just come this way, that all that he calls the old life must perish, must be killed is a rule that he made and that he chooses to enforce. He is choosing to kill my friends if they don't meet him.

Even if I did accept him somehow, 95% of the human race would still feed his fires and I could not love him afterwards, he would have to wipe my mind, cause me to not know or remember and that doesn't need right, he'd be crafting worship in me, not getting it freely.

Gracelands · Jan 27, 2014

Choose Life not destruction.

Deuteronomy 30:19 This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live

Hikarifuru · Jan 27, 2014

It's the same as doing whatever a murderer says so he won't kill you

spiritandtruth2 · Jan 27, 2014

DeanW said:
I can't it would cause me to need to believe that I am horrible, evil thing that needs to be destroyed if it cannot be changed and I cannot bear feeling that way again and I just don't believe it and it would cause me to believe that my friends must also be destroyed if they cannot be changed and that my children too, my sweet little girls will one day face death at the hands of a god.

But death doesn't just come this way, that all that he calls the old life must perish, must be killed is a rule that he made and that he chooses to enforce. He is choosing to kill my friends if they don't meet him.

Even if I did accept him somehow, 95% of the human race would still feed his fires and I could not love him afterwards, he would have to wipe my mind, cause me to not know or remember and that doesn't need right, he'd be crafting worship in me, not getting it freely.

I think Dean your argument is rather one sided, that's why you need to diligently study the Bible and get to know who God really is, and get know his side of the argument.

You seem to want to discredit God because he doesn't fit in with your rather mixed up ideals.

You have a complete misinterpretation of what the Bible is saying, and it is totally wrong of you to blame God for how you feel, you seem to want your cake and eat it, in other words you want all the nice things that God has to offer, but only on your terms.

Pray for help with your dilemma, you seem to be trying to make God out to be this horrible object in the sky as your main motive, but your not fooling anyone, but yourself my friend.

(Galatians 6:7-10) 7 Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a man is sowing, this he will also reap; 8 because he who is sowing with a view to his flesh will reap corruption from his flesh, but he who is sowing with a view to the spirit will reap everlasting life from the spirit. 9 So let us not give up in doing what is fine, for in due season we shall reap if we do not tire out. 10 Really, then, as long as we have time favorable for it, let us work what is good toward all, but especially toward those related to [us] in the faith.

Hikarifuru · Jan 27, 2014

Yeah not his fault he's gonna kill me, I got it. Moving on now.

Gracelands · Jan 27, 2014

DeanW said:
It's the same as doing whatever a murderer says so he won't kill you

Not at all my friend. Its about Gods word for you. Please don't add slander to this.

I've got nothing to add at all.

Hikarifuru · Jan 27, 2014

Gracelands said:
Not at all my friend. Its about Gods word for you. Please don't add slander to this.

I've got nothing too add at all.

No slander at all my friend, in the OT he had his people kill folks like me and in the NT he said people like me get burned in something like the valley of Gehenna where god destroys the body and soul where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth and when Jesus returns in the battle of Armageddon he will spill enough blood that the blood will fill valleys.

You're just saying it's not his fault, that he can't help it and that if I just obey and worship he won't kill me and maybe I can then convince my friends to worship too so he won't kill them.

spiritandtruth2 · Jan 27, 2014

DeanW said:
Yeah not his fault he's gonna kill me, I got it. Moving on now.

Definitely not God's fault, he provides all the advice and help you need, the fact you reject it, who's fault is that?

Your in charge of your own destiny, make the changes in your life and encourage other to do the same.

(1 John 4:9, 10) 9 By this the love of God was made manifest in our case, because God sent forth his only-begotten Son into the world that we might gain life through him. 10 The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent forth his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.

Show your appreciation Dean and you never know what the future will hold for you.

Hikarifuru · Jan 27, 2014

If he burns me alive it's not his fault... really I got it.

Hikarifuru · Jan 27, 2014

This isn't where I wanted this thread to go.

spiritandtruth2 · Jan 27, 2014

DeanW said:
This isn't where I wanted this thread to go.

The things you are saying is what is controlling the way this thread is going.

(Matthew 15:11) 11 Not what enters into [his] mouth defiles a man; but it is what proceeds out of [his] mouth that defiles a man.

newbeliever02072005 · Jan 27, 2014

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