Revelation was written during Nero's reign before 70AD

Biblewriter · Jan 12, 2014

AJCServant said:
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As a more obvious example of blasphemy towards our immeasurably loving Creator God, that is even more distinctly obvious than the numerous flawed scriptures that have been compiled into the book of Daniel, and have subsequently been taught therefrom as being infallible history and unrepentable prophecies, it should be even more obvious that it is blasphemous whenever some teachers have insisted upon the King James version of 1Samuel 6:19 rather-than the NIV, ESV, NLT, Darby and Young's translations of this verse.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]{For clarifications on this particular tare as a doctrine-of-men issue see: 1Samuel 6:19 Parallel and for various commentaries see the web page: <> biblehub.com/1_samuel/6-19.htm <> or via a browser search of: <> 50,070 from Beth-Shemesh killed for their sin as it was written in 1Samuel 6:19 KJV <>.}[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Holy would teach that it NOT blasphemy to teach others that it is NOT our Creator God's foreordained perfect-will that 1/3 rd of the persons in the earth will be burnt up prior to the second coming of Jesus, without any hope that the-Church could rise up and effectively stand-in-the-gap against Beelzebub's efforts to promote his predestined foreordained judgments, as the-Church is now actively accomplishing this Holy vision from God in our present generation.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Therefore as Jesus and Paul and Peter continually mentored others, it is NOT blasphemy to teach what many others have recognized are doctrines-of-men or tares that are being taught via the scriptures. Where in God's wisdom tares as doctrines-of-men have been allowed to be within the scriptures so that all converted believers could be taught to seek for a continual covenant- relationship with their Creator, whereby they would not be ashamed on their final day whenever they would have continually sought-out and discerned truth from error. While these would also have endured until the end of the sifting of their life-efforts, until they might eventually rise above the burnable tares at the end of this age, at which time it is our Creator's hope that all would have been reconciled and received Jesus as Lord and then that none would be burnt up and annihilated via hell's fires during the next scheduled sterilization event.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The cross of Jesus was foreordained from before Adam and Eve with the potential to save all of mankind past, present and future, IF all would eventually be willing to repent and obey the gospel. [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What fallible men have written IS NOT the whole-truth, but whatever Jesus' Spirit continually would teach and promote concerning what is written within the scriptures IS the whole-truth.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Let us continually pray that today's American Christian culture would never grieve God's Holy Spirit as severely as what occurred in 70AD. Let us continually pray that the scripture in James 2:13 [+] would be fulfilled to the uttermost [++] in our behalf by our Lord's heavenly host working in-concert with His Saints who would strive to continually be His joint-heirs in building up His Kingdom throughout the whole earth as John 3:16 and 17 [+++] would encourage.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+: James 2:13 - - Because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful, (howbeit) mercy triumphs over judgment.][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][++: Colossians 1:20 - - And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+++: John 3:16-17 - - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]We are all in training to be a little more like Jesus every day, one day and one step at a time.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Again, thank you everyone for your posts and prayers. They will eventually be fruitful towards everyone who might someday read this thread.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Shalom in Jesus,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A Servant of Jesus Christ[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AJCServant [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]John 10&15&17 & Revelation 21[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Peter[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 3:10&18 -- [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. . . . Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PS - My fervent prayer are that some would take time to consider becoming a more integral-part in working alongside the heavenly host of highly educated and technological angels that sacrificed for ages to build the New Jerusalem that Abraham looked forward to seeing, and what we all might see someday as seen in the attached image to Post #63 NewJerusalem ForTheSaints _gif.gif and as taught in Revelation 21 and by a Holy (i.e. set-apart-for-service) and faith-filled Paul in Colossians 1:20?[/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PPS - Any further "edifying", "wholesome" and helpful comments anyone?[/FONT]

This is so evil it does not even deserve an answer.

AJCServant · Jan 12, 2014

Biblewriter said:
This is so evil it does not even deserve an answer.

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Mr. Morris,

I am greatly saddened you feel this way.

I will pray for your views to rapidly change and that during each of our individual conversion processes we would then strive to not continue to express ourselves towards others, such as myself, who are “working” to expose “doctrines-of-men” for the “tares” that they are, with derogatory comments directed at their views or at them personally.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What we all need to “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]recruit[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” and "[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]mentor[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]", i.e. "[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]disciple[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]", via our life efforts are more "[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]converting[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]" "[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]believers[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]" who would be like Paul and Peter and Jesus in standing against “doctrines-of-men” for what they are, i.e. "tares" via the scriptures, that hinder the building-up, i.e. "[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]strengthening[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]", of the courage and virtuousness within Jesus' inheritances. In my view this is the reason why Revelation 21 was written exactly as it has been written in order to en-courage believers to be better “mentoring” disciples themselves, who would then strive to help others disciple themselves as well. Ultimately whenever we would fail ourselves or others in the eternity ahead, Jesus will eternally be our good shepherd, who will eternally be watching over us amongst the much more disciplined Heavenly Host, since in comparison we will oftentimes be similar to stupid fearful and inept sheep, at least for a few thousand years I think.[/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What should be much more fruitful is an explanation of your own views that would be easily received by others without being disrespectful towards anyone for their own views and efforts.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

For instance from my previous post do you believe that when the editors for the King James' Version inserted an additional 50,000 into the original text in 1Samuel 6:19, that their “viewpoint” then immediately became a “doctrine-of-men” and a “tare” concerning the whole-truth that would set men free about our Creator God's eternal nature and changeless character?
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]{For clarifications on this particular “tare” as a “doctrine-of-men” issue see: 1Samuel 6:19 Parallel and for various commentaries see the web page: <> biblehub.com/1_samuel/6-19.htm <> or via a browser search of: <> 50,070 from Beth-Shemesh killed for their sin as it was written in 1Samuel 6:19 KJV <>.}[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

Let us both trust in Jesus for our individual eternal salvation and then may we continually strive to resist evil in all of its forms that we may ever see in our lives, so we each might become more abundantly fruitful in building up Jesus' inheritances within the earth.

In Jesus love,
AJCServant [/FONT][/FONT]

AJCServant said:
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I have been taught by Jesus' Holy Spirit to never answer “directly” certain types of religious persons [or to debate with them what I have been taught by my Lord - as best as I am able to "hear" His voice and "discern" His fruitful and prudent wisdom], and we should all strive to mentor this same sensible-wisdom to others.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As also the Holy Spirit would teach us all to never “fellowship” with an obviously “unrepentant” “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]railer[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” or a “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]scorner[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” via the following scriptures:[/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 Corinthians 5:11 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]railer[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Proverbs 9:8 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Reprove not a[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] scorner[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]lest he hate thee[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]rebuke a wise man[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and he will love thee[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 Timothy 2:15-16 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]a workman that needeth not to be ashamed[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]rightly dividing the word of truth.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 16 But [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]avoid [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]irreverent[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] babble, for it will lead people into more and more [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ungodliness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. (ESV) (KJV) 16 But [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]shun [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]profane[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] and [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]vain[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] babblings: for they will increase unto more [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ungodliness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Albeit for the sake of all the dearly beloved who would ever read this singular-note, it is NOT “blasphemy” to recognize that the following scriptures are Holy infallible truisms when taught via the Holy comforter from Heaven above:[/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - Isaiah 55:8-9[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - Romans 3:9-11[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For we see now through a dim window obscurely,[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] but then face to face; now I know partially, but then I shall know according as I also have been known[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - 1 Corinthians 13:12-Darby[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What advantage then hath the Jew? … Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - Romans 3:1-4[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]And most importantly:[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - Ephesians 6:12[/FONT]

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Interplanner · Jan 12, 2014

A line from Paul. I mention it because this is what I seem to be dealing with BW every day. If the Jews did not respond like they should have, is the pile of prophecies left out there in the dreams of futurism making the Bible invalid? No. But this is the problem Paul does take up in Rom 9.:
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]God forbid:
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AJCServant · Jan 12, 2014

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Mr. Morris,

To better highlight what I have been taught, I posted this paragraph previously as it is the crux of why I post what I do.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I pray we might soon agree on the merits of my “work” to build up Jesus' inheritance the best I know how.[/FONT]

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I have subsequently recognized via 1Corinthians 13:8 that in God's sovereignty He can choose any prophecies-of-men to “fail” (i.e. katargeo) “if” in His wisdom that would glorify Him in a greater way than bringing judgment upon sin for our hard-hearts and stiff-necks and evil and perverse ways. So that what I have been taught by the infallible Holy Spirit teaching me via the “Holy” scriptures, is that since we do not fight with flesh and blood but ultimately with a rebellious spiritual realm led by the-devil-Beelzebub, scripture teaches in James 2:13 that “mercy will triumph over judgment” for our culture and the entire world “only-when” more disciples would “mature” in their good-news-gospel messages. And would then obey and “mentor” the Golden Rule, and not condone slanders of God's eternal vision for us all, or “public” slanders of one another's life-efforts that are obviously sacrificial to promote virtue and courage into the world without taking a few moments to hear-out or understand their offenders point of view on a particular offense. And thereby would most likely unwittingly also slander our Shekhinah Creator's eternal nature and His eternal sacrificial efforts in our behalf, and or also slander His “quickened” celestial angels in spite of their difficult [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]assignments to sift and chasten our Father God's leaders-in-training. Similar to what was “needful” for the wealthy Job for him to become a better “mentor” [+] again, so that his “entire” family would one-day become a "righteous" “eternal” inheritance awaiting him in Heaven after he would see Jesus on his final day.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] [*a][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+: Job 42:10 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]After Job had prayed for his friends[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], the LORD restored his fortunes and gave him twice as much as he had before[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][*a: Proverbs 29:18 and Hosea 4:6 and Ephesians 4:30 and Psalm 111:10 and Proverbs 1:7 & 9:10][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

Proverbs 29:18 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Where there is no vision, the people perish[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Hosea 4:6 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

Ephesians 4:30 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]And grieve not the holy Spirit of God[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
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Psalm 111:10 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: a good [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]understanding[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

Proverbs 1:7 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

Proverbs 9:10 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In Jesus love,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AJCServant[/FONT]

riverrat · Jan 12, 2014

AJCServant said:
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Mr. Morris,

To better highlight what I have been taught, I posted this paragraph previously as it is the crux of why I post what I do.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I pray we might soon agree on the merits of my work to build up Jesus' inheritance the best I know how.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I have subsequently recognized via 1Corinthians 13:8 that in God's sovereignty He can choose any prophecies-of-men to fail (i.e. katargeo) if in His wisdom that would glorify Him in a greater way than bringing judgment upon sin for our hard-hearts and stiff-necks and evil and perverse ways. In my view, since we do not fight with flesh and blood but ultimately with a rebellious spiritual realm led by the-devil-Beelzebub, scripture teaches in James 2:13 that mercy will triumph over judgment for our culture and the entire world only-when more disciples would mature in their good-news-gospel messages, and would then obey the Golden Rule and not condone slanders of God's eternal vision for us all, and thereby would unwittingly also slander His eternal nature and His eternal sacrificial efforts in our behalf; and or also slander His quickened celestial angels in spite of their difficult assignments to sift and chasten our Father God's leaders-in-training, similar to what was needful for Job, in order for his family to one day become a "righteous" eternal inheritance, laid up for [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]him in Heaven, whenever he would see Jesus on his final day. [*a][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][*a: Proverbs 29:18 and Hosea 4:6 and Ephesians 4:30 and Psalm 111:10 and Proverbs 1:7 & 9:10][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Proverbs 29:18 - - Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Hosea 4:6 - - My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Ephesians 4:30 - - And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Psalm 111:10 - - The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Proverbs 1:7 - - The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Proverbs 9:10 - - The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In Jesus love,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AJCServant[/FONT]

IMO this belongs in unorthodox forum.

Interplanner · Jan 12, 2014

Shorter sentences will help too!

AJCServant · Jan 13, 2014

Interplanner said:
Shorter sentences will help too!

I am fairly flawed in the area of "easily" writing short cogent sentences, but I keep trying and editing until I post what I consider are my best efforts. Maybe in a few thousand years, or with more prayers, I will be better at my writing efforts, as God wills.

Thanks for the "encouragements."

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Shalom in Jesus,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A Servant of Jesus Christ[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AJCServant [/FONT]

:holy:

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]John 10&15&17 & Revelation 21[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Peter[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 3:10&18 -- [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. . . . Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PS - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]My fervent prayer are that some would take time to consider becoming a more integral-part in working alongside the heavenly host of highly educated and technological angels that sacrificed for ages to build the New Jerusalem that Abraham looked forward to seeing, and what we “all” might see someday as seen in the attached image to Post #63 “NewJerusalem ForTheSaints _gif.gif” and as taught in Revelation 21 and by a Holy (i.e. set-apart-for-service) and faith-filled Paul in Colossians 1:20. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PPS - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As written in the aforementioned gif file, what radically enlightened me to Beelzebub's powerfully enslaving “hatred” towards our Shekhinah Creator's vision for us all, was in the fact that the largest pyramid in the mid-east that has ever been constructed by God's enslaved children was exactly 1.2 Greek Olympic “stadia” on each edge, which is exactly 1/10,000th the dimensions of New Jerusalem in Revelation 21[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. So let us pray for vision wisdom strength and courage and rise up and overcome evil with good as we would proclaim the simplicity of the Gospel of Christ Jesus, and thereby work alongside the Heavenly Host in a much greater way in annihilating the works of the devil in our earth. His Kingdom come His will be done in the earth as it is done in Heaven, Amen, come quickly Lord Jesus.[/FONT][/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PPPS - Any further "edifying", "wholesome" and helpful comments anyone?[/FONT]

AJCServant · Jan 22, 2014

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Hi all,[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]It would appear that for the present we each have a different focus for our life-efforts that we each have likely been “encouraged” to pursue by our various past and present “teachers”.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Some theologians, such as Calvin, have taught their followers to not strive to maintain a supernatural personal and powerful “relationship” with our Creator's Holy Spirit, and that also we should lethargically and fatalistically “wait” for our Creator's “supposedly” “unchangeable” “preordained” apocalyptic-punishment-judgments, as if these judgments would be impossible for the Church of Jesus to stand-in-the-gap against them; even though as has been written in Revelation 9:18 the “present” god of this world, Beelzebub, has now empowered mankind with the potential to burn-up 1/3 rd of our Creator's impoverished children.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]My own Holy teachers have taught me that “all things are possible” for any situation and for every culture, no matter how many of Beelzebub's hordes would want to see that culture burnt-up, IF-ONLY the converted believers within that culture would strive to - follow the prophetic admonitions that “promise” that all potential judgments can be repented-of, AND IF-ONLY the converted believers within that culture would strive to - work in concert with Jesus' ongoing efforts to destroy the works of the Devil, Beelzebub, as encouraged in 1 John 3:8.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. - - 1 John 3:8[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The following scriptures would apply to “all” of us in our “perilious” “last-days” generation.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: May those who love you be secure. - - Psalm 122:6[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. - - 2 Chronicles 7:14[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Jesus said to him, “If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.” - - Mark 9:23[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved. - - John 3:17[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]And Ezekiel, (who was “less” than any person who would be within the Kingdom of Heaven, [as Jesus taught in Matthew 11:11]), opined during his day:[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Your leaders are like wolves who tear apart their victims. They actually destroy people’s lives for money! And your prophets cover up for them by announcing false visions and making lying predictions. They say, ‘My message is from the Sovereign Lord,’ when the Lord hasn’t spoken a single word to them. Even common people oppress the poor, rob the needy, and deprive foreigners of justice. - - Ezekiel 22:27-31[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AND speaking for God he wrote about himself as well as all others in his country when he wrote:[/FONT]

"[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I looked for some who might rebuild the wall of righteousness that guards the land. I searched for [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]someoneto stand in the gap in the wall so I wouldn’t have to destroy the land, but I found no one. So now I will pour out my fury on them, consuming them with the fire of my anger. I will heap on their heads the full penalty for all their sins. I, the Sovereign Lord, have spoken!" - - Ezekiel 22:27-31[/FONT]

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Ultimately at the end of our days let us each have trusted in Jesus for our individual eternal salvation, and then for today may we continually strive to resist evil in all of its forms that we may ever see in our lives, so we each might become more abundantly fruitful in building up Jesus' inheritances within the earth.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]We are all in training to be a little more like Jesus every day, one day and one step at a time[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Again, thank you everyone for your posts and prayers. They will eventually be fruitful towards everyone who might someday read this thread.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Shalom in Jesus,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A Servant of Jesus Christ[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AJCServant [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]John 10&15&17 & Revelation 21[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Peter[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 3:10&18 -- [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. . . . Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]error[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] of the lawless [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ones [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and fall from your secure position[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PS - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]My fervent prayer are that some would take time to consider becoming a more integral-part in working alongside the heavenly host of highly educated and technological angels that sacrificed for ages to build the New Jerusalem that Abraham looked forward to seeing, and what we “all” might see someday as seen in the attached image to Post #63 “NewJerusalem ForTheSaints _gif.gif” and as taught in Revelation 21 and by a Holy (i.e. set-apart-for-service) and faith-filled Paul in Colossians 1:20. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PPS - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As written in the aforementioned gif file, what radically enlightened me to Beelzebub's powerfully enslaving “hatred” towards our Shekhinah Creator's vision for us all, was in the fact that the largest pyramid in the mid-east that has ever been constructed by God's enslaved children was exactly 1.2 Greek Olympic “stadia” on each edge, which is exactly 1/10,000th the dimensions of New Jerusalem in Revelation 21[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. So let us pray for vision wisdom strength and courage and rise up and overcome evil with good as we would proclaim the simplicity of the Gospel of Christ Jesus, and thereby work alongside the Heavenly Host in a much greater way in annihilating the works of the devil in our earth. His Kingdom come His will be done in the earth as it is done in Heaven, Amen, come quickly Lord Jesus.[/FONT][/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PPPS - Any further "edifying", "wholesome" and helpful comments anyone?[/FONT]

Interplanner · Jan 22, 2014

To reduce what you are saying to a line: we are not fatalists even though we believe in the return of Christ and the day of judgement, correct?

Interplanner · Jan 22, 2014

Can you summarize what the page image in #63 is about? It is too tiny to read. I don't think I'll need any of the mathematics, thank you, that seems to be a completely foreign subject.

Biblewriter · Jan 22, 2014

AJCServant said:
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Mr. Morris,

To better highlight what I have been taught, I posted this paragraph previously as it is the crux of why I post what I do.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I pray we might soon agree on the merits of my work to build up Jesus' inheritance the best I know how.[/FONT]

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I have subsequently recognized via 1Corinthians 13:8 that in God's sovereignty He can choose any prophecies-of-men to fail (i.e. katargeo) if in His wisdom that would glorify Him in a greater way than bringing judgment upon sin for our hard-hearts and stiff-necks and evil and perverse ways. So that what I have been taught by the infallible Holy Spirit teaching me via the Holy scriptures, is that since we do not fight with flesh and blood but ultimately with a rebellious spiritual realm led by the-devil-Beelzebub, scripture teaches in James 2:13 that mercy will triumph over judgment for our culture and the entire world only-when more disciples would mature in their good-news-gospel messages. And would then obey and mentor the Golden Rule, and not condone slanders of God's eternal vision for us all, or public slanders of one another's life-efforts that are obviously sacrificial to promote virtue and courage into the world without taking a few moments to hear-out or understand their offenders point of view on a particular offense. And thereby would most likely unwittingly also slander our Shekhinah Creator's eternal nature and His eternal sacrificial efforts in our behalf, and or also slander His quickened celestial angels in spite of their difficult [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]assignments to sift and chasten our Father God's leaders-in-training. Similar to what was needful for the wealthy Job for him to become a better mentor [+] again, so that his entire family would one-day become a "righteous" eternal inheritance awaiting him in Heaven after he would see Jesus on his final day.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] [*a][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+: Job 42:10 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]After Job had prayed for his friends[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], the LORD restored his fortunes and gave him twice as much as he had before[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][*a: Proverbs 29:18 and Hosea 4:6 and Ephesians 4:30 and Psalm 111:10 and Proverbs 1:7 & 9:10][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

Proverbs 29:18 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Where there is no vision, the people perish[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Hosea 4:6 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

Ephesians 4:30 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]And grieve not the holy Spirit of God[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
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Psalm 111:10 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: a good [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]understanding[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

Proverbs 1:7 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

Proverbs 9:10 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In Jesus love,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AJCServant[/FONT]

What your "teachers" have taught you is directly contrary to what the scriptures explicitly say:

"'I, the LORD, have spoken it; It shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not hold back, Nor will I spare, Nor will I relent; According to your ways And according to your deeds They will judge you," Says the Lord GOD.' " (Ezekiel 24:14)

"Search from the book of the LORD, and read: Not one of these shall fail; Not one shall lack her mate. For My mouth has commanded it, and His Spirit has gathered them." (Isaiah 34:16)

AJCServant · Jan 22, 2014

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Hi all,[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]It would appear that for the present we each have a different focus for our life-efforts that we each have likely been “encouraged” to pursue by our various past and present “teachers”.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Some theologians, such as Calvin,
[*] have taught their followers to not strive to maintain a supernatural personal and powerful “relationship” with our Creator's Holy Spirit, and that also we should lethargically and fatalistically “wait” for our Creator's “supposedly” “unchangeable” “preordained” apocalyptic- punishment- judgments, as if these judgments would be impossible for the Church of Jesus to stand-in-the-gap against them; even though as has been written in Revelation 9:18 the “present” god of this world, Beelzebub, has now empowered mankind with the potential to burn-up 1/3 rd of our Creator's impoverished children.[/FONT]

[*: For a review as to why and how another had attempted to disagree with Calvin's views, see this link concerning the martyrdom of Michael Servetus at >-<> Michael Servetus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <>]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]My own Holy teachers have taught me that “all things are possible” for any situation and for every culture, no matter how many of Beelzebub's hordes would want to see that culture burnt-up, IF-ONLY the converted believers within that culture would strive to follow the prophetic admonitions that “promise” that all potential judgments can be repented-of, AND IF-ONLY these converted believers would subsequently strive to work in concert with Jesus' ongoing efforts to destroy the works of the Devil, Beelzebub, as encouraged in 1John 3:8.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. - - 1John 3:8[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The following scriptures would apply to “all” of us in our “perilious” “last-days” generation.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: May those who love you be secure. - - Psalm 122:6[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. - - 2 Chronicles 7:14[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Jesus said to him, “If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.” - - Mark 9:23[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved. - - John 3:17[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]And Ezekiel, (who was “less” than any person who would be within the Kingdom of Heaven, [as Jesus taught in Matthew 11:11]), opined during his day:[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Your leaders are like wolves who tear apart their victims. They actually destroy people’s lives for money! And your prophets cover up for them by announcing false visions and making lying predictions. They say, ‘My message is from the Sovereign Lord,’ when the Lord hasn’t spoken a single word to them. Even common people oppress the poor, rob the needy, and deprive foreigners of justice. - - Ezekiel 22:27-31[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AND speaking for God he wrote about himself as well as all others in his country when he wrote:[/FONT]

“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I looked for some who might rebuild the wall of righteousness that guards the land. I searched for [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]someone to stand in the gap in the wall so I wouldn’t have to destroy the land, but I found no one. So now I will pour out my fury on them, consuming them with the fire of my anger. I will heap on their heads the full penalty for all their sins. I, the Sovereign Lord, have spoken!” - - Ezekiel 22:27-31[/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Scripture is plain that what believing disciples need to “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]recruit[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” and "[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]mentor[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]", i.e. "[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]disciple[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]", via our life efforts are more "[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]converting[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]" "[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]believers[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]" who would be like Paul and Peter and Jesus in standing against “doctrines-of-men” for what they are, i.e. "tares" via the scriptures, that hinder the building-up, i.e. "[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]strengthening[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]", of the courage and virtuousness within Jesus' inheritances.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]This is the reason why Revelation 21 was written exactly as it has been written in order to en-courage “daily-converting” believers to be better “mentoring” disciples, who would then strive to help other faithful men to daily-convert and disciple their own selves as well.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Ultimately whenever we would fail ourselves or others in the eternity ahead, Jesus will eternally be our good shepherd, who will eternally be watching over us amongst the much more disciplined Heavenly Host, since in comparison for ages to come we will oftentimes be similar to stupid fearful and inept sheep.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]While mankind is still here on the earth our Creator God “will-be” glorified in spite of Beelzebub's wiles, and Jesus has made the way for anyone to glorify His father through a simple acceptance of His Lordship and by simply becoming a member of Jesus' flock of sheep in order to have eternal life in Heaven, even if receiving Jesus as Lord on one's final day occurred in a similar manner as the thief on the cross, or in the powerfully persuasive way as occurred with Paul when he was struck blind on the road to Damascus. The thief on the cross was a prodigal son that was accepted back into His Creator's household on his final day, although his relationship- inheritances- earned- rewards in Heaven were possibly fairly meager, except for his testimony while on his cross that was written into the scriptures.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As written in Revelation 21:8 there will be no immorality or debauchery in Heaven because no one will be “tempted” in our thoughts by Beelzebub's minions as we “all” have oftentimes been tempted in the earth. And there will be no non-virtuous cowards there because Beelzebub's fears will not tempt anyone there, and we will “all” have eternal life and will continually be encouraged by God's joyful presence to pursue the prudence and virtue that comes with that form of life in order to work fruitfully alongside Jesus and His Heavenly Host of ancient angels.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Revelation 21:8 was “allowed” into the scriptures not so that “religious” people would promote "scornful" bigotries against "prodigal" self-destructive sinners, but to encourage Saints and prodigals alike to make the right choices, so that they would not be ashamed when they would see Jesus on their final day, (as Paul and the thief on the cross once were ashamed of their past life), at which time Beelzebub would no longer have influence over their life in the flesh. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For all of mankind, past present and future, accepting Jesus' love for them has always been and will always be how easy it will ever be to enter into His Kingdom. [+] Just at your final moments say “yes Jesus, please be my Lord and Savior and now that my eyes can finally see you face to face I will follow wherever you ask me to go,” and then follow the Master homeward or go with one of His angels when they come for you, and one's final choice will then glorify God with their passing upward to the dwellings Jesus and His Heavenly Host had begun building for us “all” from before the foundations of the earth.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+: Matthew 20:12 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and you have made them equal to us[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]So that with this “eternally” fruitful theology now being highlighted via this thread concerning our Shekhinah Creator's obvious infinite love for us all from His eternity past into our eternity future, rather than debating on-on-one any subtly flawed nuances in each others posts, what would be much more fruitful in “helping” Jesus and the Holy Spirit to stand against doctrines-of-men, would be by writing your own views into website threads that would fulfill James 3:17 [+] by being easy to be received by others, without being “disrespectful” towards others.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+: James 3:17 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, easy to be received, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT]
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Ultimately at the end of our days let us each have trusted in Jesus for our individual eternal salvation, and then for today may we continually strive to resist evil in all of its forms that we may ever see in our lives, so we each might become more abundantly fruitful in building up Jesus' inheritances within the earth.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]We are all in training to be a little more like Jesus every day, one day and one step at a time[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Again, thank you everyone for your posts and prayers. They will eventually be fruitful towards everyone who might someday read this thread.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Shalom in Jesus,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A Servant of Jesus Christ[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AJCServant [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]John 10&15&17 & Revelation 21[/FONT]

AJCServant · Jan 22, 2014

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Parable of the Lost Son[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Luke 15:17-24 - - [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]17 But when he (the prodigal son) came to himself, he said, How many of my fathers hired servants have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger! 18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say to him, Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you, 19 and I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Make me like one of your hired servants.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]20 And he arose and came to his father. But when he was still a great way off, his father saw him and had compassion, and ran and fell on his neck and kissed him. 21 And the son said to him, Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight, and am no longer worthy to be called your son.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]22 But the father said to his servants, Bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet. 23 And bring the fatted calf here and kill it, and let us eat and be merry; 24 for this my son was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found. And they began to be merry.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]This parable above is an example of how Jesus continually taught others the good-news i.e. the gospel concerning the immeasurable love of His Father towards "all" of His prodigal children.[/FONT][/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Why have so many "Christians" capitulated to demonically inspired doctrines-of-men that have "obviously" been slanderous against our Father God's ongoing and continual "sacrificial" efforts and His eternal vision for us all, that has been plainly and repetatively outlined in the holy scriptures by holy men, who were obviously "converted" and "loving" believers "within" the Kingdom of Heaven when they wrote what they did?[/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Simply because our battles in the flesh and in our thoughts and in our views have never truly been against flesh and blood, but have been against powers in the spiritual realm that influence His many many prodigal children to make bad choices and to accept untrue views about the eternal character and vision of our Shekhinah Father God in Heaven; and also untrue views about His many many other children in many cultures around the world who are "agape-loving" others in spite of the many "oppressions" that more easily occur from a poor understanding about our Heavenly Father's agape-love and eternal-vision for us all.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][*: <>Romans 10:12-17 - - [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 and how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the rhema- word of God. [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<>2 [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Peter[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 3:10&18 -- [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. . . . Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]error[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] of the lawless [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ones [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and fall from your secure position[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<>]

[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious (i.e. fruitful) [+] appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.[/FONT]

[+: John 15:8 - - Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] PS - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]My fervent prayer are that some would take time to consider becoming a more integral-part in working alongside the heavenly host of highly educated and technological angels that sacrificed for ages to build the New Jerusalem that Abraham looked forward to seeing, and what we all might see someday as seen in the attached image to Post #63 NewJerusalem ForTheSaints _gif.gif and as taught in Revelation 21 and by a Holy (i.e. set-apart-for-service) and faith-filled Paul in Colossians 1:20. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

[/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PPS - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As written in the aforementioned gif file, what radically enlightened me to Beelzebub's powerfully enslaving hatred towards our Shekhinah Creator's vision for us all, was in the fact that the tallest pyramid that has ever been constructed by God's enslaved children was exactly 1.2 Greek Olympic stadia on each edge, which is exactly 1/10,000th the dimensions of New Jerusalem in Revelation 21[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. Also the pyramids in the Mid-East became tombs for ancient rulers who set themselves up as gods, and those in Central and South America became heinous platforms for innocent human sacrifices to occult demons who also set themselves up as gods. So let us pray for vision wisdom strength and courage and rise up and overcome evil with good as we would proclaim the simplicity of the Gospel of Christ Jesus, and thereby work alongside the Heavenly Host in a much greater way in annihilating the works of the devil in our earth. His Kingdom come His will be done in the earth as it is done in Heaven, Amen, come quickly Lord Jesus.[/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PPPS - Any further "edifying", "wholesome" and helpful comments anyone?

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Interplanner · Jan 22, 2014

ACJS,
in a line or two, what are you saying?

AJCServant · Jan 22, 2014

God agape- loves His prodigal children that have squandered their inheritance and that He has not had an ongoing relationship with just- as- much as He agape & phileo- loves the Saints who He does have a relationship with and who have worked in His fields to build up Jesus' inheritances as well as their own inheritances since they will be His joint-heirs.

When we have an ongoing "relationship" with Jesus then with the help of the Holy Spirit all of the suicidally- self- destructive and fruitless non- encouraging demonically- inspired "doctrines- of- men" begin to become obvious, until one has the virtue to stand against them, as best as one might be able as Paul continually did until his work in the earth was finished. This is what a "converted" believer is called to do, to proclaim the good news of our Father God's infinite love to sinners, which is everyone who has ever lived in the flesh.
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For all of mankind, past present and future, accepting Jesus' love for them has always been and will always be how easy it will ever be to enter into His Kingdom. [+] Just at your final moments say yes Jesus, please be my Lord and Savior and now that my eyes can finally see you face to face I will follow wherever you ask me to go, and then follow the Master homeward or go with one of His angels when they come for you, and one's final choice will then glorify God with their passing upward to the dwellings Jesus and His Heavenly Host had begun building for us all from before the foundations of the earth.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+: Matthew 20:12 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]These who were hired last worked only one hour, they said, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and you have made them equal to us[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]]

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With this said, the focus of this thread is to admonish "Christians" to understand that demonically- inspired "doctrines- of- men" who used the scriptures as a "proof-text" encouraged the 1st Century Hebrews to make choices that provoked "prodigal" mankind to destroy Jerusalem in 70AD. [**] So let us mentor and encourage any believers who are "converted" to stand against demonically inspired doctrines- of- men, lest similar doctrines that would slander God's vision for us "all" would cause other cultures to be destroyed in our own last-day's generation.

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[**: Matthew 5:13-16 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]? [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and glorify your Father which is in heaven[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 Peter 2:12 (NIV) [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]on the day He visits us[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].][/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PS - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]My fervent prayer are that some would take time to consider becoming a more integral-part in working alongside the heavenly host of highly educated and technological angels that sacrificed for ages to build the New Jerusalem that Abraham looked forward to seeing, and what we all might see someday as seen in the attached image to Post [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]#[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]63[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] NewJerusalem ForTheSaints _gif.gif at <>http://www.christianforums.com/t7756553-7/#post63771233<> and as taught in Revelation 21 and by a Holy (i.e. set-apart-for-service) and faith-filled Paul in Colossians 1:20. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PPS - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As written in the aforementioned gif file, what radically enlightened me to Beelzebub's powerfully enslaving hatred towards our Shekhinah Creator's vision for us all, was in the fact that the tallest pyramid that has ever been constructed by God's enslaved children was exactly 1.2 Greek Olympic stadia on each edge, which is exactly 1/10,000th the dimensions of New Jerusalem in Revelation 21[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. Also the pyramids in the Mid-East became tombs for ancient rulers who set themselves up as gods, and those in Central and South America became heinous platforms for innocent human sacrifices to occult demons who also set themselves up as gods. So let us pray for vision wisdom strength and courage and rise up and overcome evil with good as we would proclaim the simplicity of the Gospel of Christ Jesus, and thereby work alongside the Heavenly Host in a much greater way in annihilating the works of the devil in our earth. His Kingdom come His will be done in the earth as it is done in Heaven, Amen, come quickly Lord Jesus.[/FONT]

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Interplanner · Jan 23, 2014

Well, now I know your version of a line or two. Mine is a little different!

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Simply put, do we truly believe God IS love and IS an ever-working Spirit who from before the foundation of the world developed a plan to work through His Son Jesus to fulfill Colossians 1:20, or do we NOT believe this is true?

If we believe God is "only" good, let us stand up against all the demonic doctrines-of-men that slander our Creator's vision and immeasurable love for us all, since what we sow (condone or capitulate to) we will reap, similar to what occurred in 70 AD and the two major world wars in this past century.

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Since this is the Devil's scheme from the time of Adam to seduce us to steal, kill and destroy our own inheritances and then ourselves.

And to then drag us into eternal hell fires because of our "capitulating" to his subtle pressures and lies that were "obvious" false-slanders concerning the nature and character of our God above, and also the “eternal” character of “all” of our prodigal neighbors who were born into this earth after Adam and Eve were placed in the garden.[/FONT]
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AJCServant · Jan 30, 2014

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Elaborating on my previous post:

We will either be “trained” by our Creator's Holy Spirit to work and war alongside the Heavenly Host until the infallible- truths about our Creator's "eternal- vision" within "The Gospel of the Kingdom" would be "investigated" then "discerned" and then "taught", OR we will be “trained” by the-Devil-Beelzebub to war and destroy each other, AND will then eventually suicide ourselves with our own naïve - ignorant choices.

Since this is the Devil's scheme from the time of Adam's sin and then Cain's murder, to seduce and empower us “all” to steal, kill and destroy our own inheritances, and to then suicide ourselves after we had recognized the magnitude of our errs were too great for us to bear, while being continually reminded by the Devil's minions of our own "worthlessness" to "anyone".[/FONT]

So that scripture teaches that “any” harbored grudges and resentments and unforgiveness towards “any” other soul could then drag a prodigal into eternal hell fires, [+] simply because of their continual "capitulations" to the Devil's subtle lies, which were his arrows shot into ones thoughts. That were always obvious slanders concerning the eternal nature and character and eternal vision of our Creator God above. OR ALSO any "disrespectfulness" towards "any" others who oftentimes are fighting much more difficult battles with Beelzebub's soul destroying minions than most Laodicean stiff-necked Christians could ever imagine. Especially those who were born in this “fallen” world into much more “difficult” and “traumatic” "cultures" where a better understanding of God's eternal nature and Godhead has rarely been accurately depicted for some to understand His will and ways as James 3:17[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] would encourage.

Also we should all be aware of [/FONT][/FONT]false-slanders concerning the sufferings and anguish of “all” of our obviously "prodigal" “neighbors”, who Beelzebub continually crushes their understanding of a hopeful joyful eternity working alongside Jesus. Who these weary souls were “also” born into our fallen world that has been at war with Beelzebub from before the time when Adam and Eve were “placed” into the garden to begin the work of “reconciling the world unto himself”. Which will be completed when as many as would eventually be willing will “all” eventually become trained to become our Shekhinah Creator's “ambassadors for Christ” working for Him throughout His universe “in Christ’s stead”. [+++]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+: Matthew 18:34-35 - - 34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his neighbor their trespasses.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Matthew 5:43-48 - - 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect (mature), even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.<><][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+++: M[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]atthew 20:12&16[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]12 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and you have made them equal to us[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’ 16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]for many be “called[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]”, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]but few “chosen[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]”.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Titus 2:13 - - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.[/FONT]

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[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Is anyone reading this thread ready for the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]blessed hope[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] to occur today by having prepared their heart and soul and body and their surrounding culture for that glorious (i.e. fruitful) event?[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

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[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Is anyone reading this thread proclaiming [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]the good news of God's love for prodigal sinners[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]? Who we "all" have been at some time in our life when we had strayed away from our labors [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]for our Father in Heaven in His[/FONT][/FONT] harvest fields and squandered our wages with riotous living.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
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AJCServant · Mar 20, 2014

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In continuing to expose various “doctrines-of-men” that are preventing souls from being set free with the simple gospel concerning our Heavenly Father's character and nature and eternal vision for us all, which is a continuation of the original post as to “why” our Heavenly Father allowed Revelation to be written just as it was, I [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]am re-posting this here for some to consider how they might "effectively" witness the gospel to those who are within various scientific communities.[/FONT]

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Hi all,

Has anyone seen in any of these blog-threads where anyone believes in evolution and NOT that we were created by an "intelligent-design"? Many years ago I had talked with "some" Mormons who did or at least at the time I felt they did, but these are a rare few in "Christian" circles, and in my view these "Christians" were also in a "cult" that would blind their eyes to allow them to be so inclined.

The truth about the errs of Darwinist evolutionary theory should be simple to see and to then explain to others, since even from Darwin's-Doubts he himself saw there was "NO" "spectrum" of any animals between any of the distinct "species" we have today, i.e. no missing- links have ever been found between say dolphins and whales or horses and donkeys, such as a spectrum between the two of 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% etc. in other words an entire spectrum would be in the fossil record to have "evolved" between any two "similar" animals.

Here is what I consider the most important excerpt of the book "Origin of the Species" Chapter 6, “Why, if species have descended from other species by insensibly fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms.” - Charles Darwin

And so that even in the veterinary labs we have in our modern days, a "spectrum" between the species that would not become sterile in the next generation has "never" been created by any human, since it was our Heavenly Creator's wisdom to intelligently design all of earth's DNA to never allow these types of manipulations to ever occur by chance OR even by intensive artificial efforts.
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See <> Charles Darwin Doubts about His Theory | X-Evolutionist.com <> AND/OR <> Literature.org - The Online Literature Library Darwin's Cp6 <> AND/OR <> Literature.org - The Online Literature Library [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Darwin's Cp9 [/FONT]<>
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[/FONT]Darwin Expected Innumerable Transitional Forms, but they Do not Exist.
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PS - FYI - A good "Darwin's-Doubt" video is at ><> "Darwin's Doubt" with Stephen Meyer on Vimeo <><

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PPS - - In my view a quick study of the "obviousness" of >-- “index fossils[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” [/FONT]and the many various >-- “Extinction Events[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” [/FONT]between these “index fossils[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” [/FONT]is the strongest argument in favor of "intelligent-design" and against Darwinian-evolutionary-theory that evangelistic - Christians “should” become familiar with, that would help us-all to make >-- Romans 1:19-20 more easily understood by many confused souls in our naive untaught generation.

Very simply, like we see today with larger animals, there has never been any "spectrum" of evolutionary- life present in any of the plankton sized index fossils.

Which "should" reveal to anyone who is not blinded by their sins about our Creator's infinite wisdom to intelligently "plant" [+] or "seed" into the earth over and over with "new" species of sea-life plankton after each extinction event, such as a near earth nova. Simply so that in our modern day we would more easily recognize our Creator's eternal patience and wisdom to "build" the earth and humankind with Jesus' oversights exactly as God the Father has designed.

[+: NOTE SEE >-- Genesis 2:8 AND ALSO as mentioned in 2Kings 10:36, 1Chronicles 29:27, and 2Peter 3:8, a "yom" day to the Lord can be much much longer than 24 hours, especially before the fourth day when our Eternal Creator caused our earth's sun and moon to form, that then “began” to eventually establish our present 24 hour day whenever the earth's rotation “ultimately” became "fixed" with a 24 hour rotation period as taught in Genesis 1:14.]

So the truth behind an old earth creation would show the eternal vision and "immeasurable" agape-love our eternal Creator has shown for modern man in this pivotal generation, for Him to take the almost infinite efforts to radically change the sea-life plankton in each new "age" - simply in order that our pivotal generation might "safely" drill for oil and gas by using these index fossils to identify in advance the locations of dangerous high pressure oil and gas zones while a well was being drilled.

It would also show the almost infinite efforts of Christ Jesus who scripture says was tasked with "creating" and "building" and "planting" into the earth exactly as it has been "built" the way we see it today.

Whereby many ages ago Jesus and His father designed and created our world wherein a few billion souls could eventually become created and then "trained" to become "like the angels" and eventually "formed into the image of Jesus Christ". [[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]See [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Matthew 22:30[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Mark 12:25[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] & [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Luke 20:36[/FONT] and also [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Romans 8:29[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] & [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2Corinthians 3:18[/FONT].]

This eternal "vision" to "thoughtfully" assist in the "nurturing" of our own pivotal - generation took a nearly infinite amount of effort by Jesus and His entire Heavenly Host of eternal angels, and IMHO anyone who would say that these immense efforts were "not" expended in our behalf would be slandering Jesus and our Creator's immense sacrifices for our well-being from ages past and up until the present day.

Note: quick-click-links have been inserted into various titles words and scriptures to quickly define these for those who are interested in ministering more ably to any "confused" evolutionist - atheist OR "Christians".

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