Yom Kippur/The Rapture connection?!

Yahudim · Jan 20, 2014

Hey Laureate,

Forgive me for snipping your response, but I am a bit foggy from the medication that I am on and I wanted to limit my response to the parable and the context of your post, if not the content. The parable given was prophetic and symbolic; true, but the context of the letter was directed to the branch of the Zadokim that had taken the position of Cohen Gadol by guile. Their family controlled the Temple concessions by political favor and might, granted from Rome; hence the ironic honorific 'rich man' given by the Master. The rich merchant class and the family of the high priests were pretty much the same thing.

Luke's letter itself was addressed to the sixth (using the cultural rather than literal designation of) 'brother' of this family and the parable was a prophetic look at this priest's past relations and future predicament, should he not change his ways. Most agree that a great deal of this letter (at least the first parts) dealt with the issues Messiah had with the cohens. This parable dealt with issues that might move the current Cohen Gadol reconsider his denial of all things spiritual.

Granted that there were elements that might be considered symbolic of the resurrection. That was part and parcel of the message of the Messiah. But certainly not a consideration of the Zadokim in that day. They had to be convinced; and what better way than through a personal prophecy where the Cohen Gadol was mentioned and that had already come true in part?

As far as considering this an illustration of 'rapture'; I don't think so. Isn't 'in the bosom of Abraham' an idiomatic reference to the sleep of the righteous dead? The exchange in the parable was between the rich man (representing the priesthood) and Abraham (representing the inheritors of the promise). The beggar was silent throughout. Take a look.

19 Once there was a rich man who used to dress in the most expensive clothing and spent his days in magnificent luxury. 20 At his gate had been laid a beggar named Elazar who was covered with sores. 21 He would have been glad to eat the scraps that fell from the rich mans table; but instead, even the dogs would come and lick his sores. 22 In time the beggar died and was carried away by the angels to Avrahams side; the rich man also died and was buried.

23 In Shol, where he was in torment, the rich man looked up and saw Avraham far away with Elazar at his side. 24 He called out, Father Avraham, take pity on me, and send Elazar just to dip the tip of his finger in water to cool my tongue, because Im in agony in this fire! 25 However, Avraham said, Son, remember that when you were alive, you got the good things while he got the bad; but now he gets his consolation here, while you are the one in agony. 26 Yet that isnt all: between you and us a deep rift has been established, so that those who would like to pass from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.

27 He answered, Then, father, I beg you to send him to my fathers house, 28 where I have five brothers, to warn them; so that they may be spared having to come to this place of torment too. 29 But Avraham said, They have Moshe and the Prophets; they should listen to them. 30 However, he said, No, father Avraham, they need more. If someone from the dead goes to them, theyll repent! 31 But he replied, If they wont listen to Moshe and the Prophets, they wont be convinced even if someone rises from the dead!

I'm sure that a few have a different take on this, but what else is new?

Be Well Brother,
Phillip

Laureate said:
Perhaps Lazerus being taken does qualify as a rapture, which by definition must include some degree of Joy when Taken, personally I would have been estatic to join Abraham as opposed to joining the rich man.

Lazerus, like David was permitted to sleep with his forefathers, ahhh! But is not this parable Y'shua's attempt to explain 'ressurection' unto a people who are greatly divided concerning the issue?

*snip*

HannibalFlavius · Jan 20, 2014

Laureate said:
I agree, it was because John the baptist denied his own identity, that amplified Y'shua's potency, for "I must decrease, that he may increase" is what the Greatest person born of a woman said.

Seth was a 'reflection' (Webster's 3rd DAE 3rd entry, image; likeness) of Adam, who inturn was a 'reflection' of Elohym, thus making Seth the express image of Elohym, seeing how, a refection of a reflection renders a true/express image; a refection of Seth's name would seem to indicate that (one of) Adam's (personal) name(s) was 'Theos' the Greek equivalent for Elohym, in Latin 'Deos', according to these sources the same was called Dzeus when He appeared in the flesh;

All three forms simply mean 'Deity' (singular plural like Elohym) Divine one(s), yet its the root 'Theon' that depicts 'the Rock & Consuming fire of Theon/brimstone, which according to the account in Exodus the same represents the Glory of Elohym from which the children of Israel heard Elohym speak, yet they begged not to see or hear again for fear of death, however the 'lake of fire' (molten rock) represents the 2nd death (Rev.) that does not harm those whose faith is victorious (with conviction).

A reflection of the form 'Dy-os' renders 'Shadai' as in El Shadai [The (Great or Divine) Mountain], for "the one who sits on the throne (in heaven) also walks among them", thus "if you had the faith of a mustard seed you would say unto [El lit.] this [Shadai] Mountain be you cast into the sea, and it would be done", Rev. 8:08 "and a Great Mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea".

Seth is the only blood line of Adam still alive upon earth, thus he is the Only begotten son (living), since the flood of Noah's day, hence, We are the Many members of the body of Seth, in fact, any other son of Adam who died in (or prior to) the flood must re-enter the kingdom through one of us, (the many members of the body of) Seth, this includes Adam himself.

I almost wrote the same thing you said about John, and your view of Seth is pretty much the way I look at it, or the way a hillbilly would look at it without knowing the words to explain it.

I see those 3 sons as one pertaining to Adam, one pertaining to Eve, and one......

HannibalFlavius · Jan 20, 2014

talmidim said:
As far as considering this an illustration of 'rapture'; I don't think so. Isn't 'in the bosom of Abraham' an idiomatic reference to the sleep of the righteous dead? The exchange in the parable was between the rich man (representing the priesthood) and Abraham (representing the inheritors of the promise). The beggar was silent throughout. Take a look.

Phillip

I'm still working on this, but what I see is Lazarus as the priesthood, But that the rich man denied the priesthood, like the rich man and Lazarus is the same person that has been cut in half, as it were.

That if the rich man would not have neglected the priesthood of his own body, he would not have been cut in half, and the dogs would have not licked on the sickness of the priesthood, but been added.

I see the dogs as gentiles.

Lazarus is carried by the angels, but the rich man is buried in the Earth, the two are separated.

And that scripture that Jesus mentions about a man divorcing his wife is just the same as the rich man divorcing the priesthood.

Yahudim · Jan 20, 2014

Hi Hannibal,

Brother, you know that sometimes, actually most of the time, the text means exactly what it says. There may be additional layers of symbolism (you familiar with the rules of PaRDeS?), but if it does, it will not contradict the plain meaning of the text.

You do get that the entire chapter and into the next one too, are life lessons, right? What is correct and what is not and how it applies to life in the now and the hereafter, right? You do get that this type of storytelling was a standard method of teaching; one employed by rabbis to instruct their disciples, right?

You do get that this story was one in a series about wealth, right? And that the Pharisees listening took offence because of their great love of wealth, right? You do get that the rich man in this story was ACTUALLY the High Priest, the source of the wealth of the Pharisees, right?

Could you have twisted your 'spiritualization' of these stories any further from the plain meaning of the text? I'm just saying...

Hey I gotta go. Not down on you bro. But please, read these stories all together and see if you agree, OK?

:hug:

HannibalFlavius said:
I'm still working on this, but what I see is Lazarus as the priesthood, But that the rich man denied the priesthood, like the rich man and Lazarus is the same person that has been cut in half, as it were.

That if the rich man would not have neglected the priesthood of his own body, he would not have been cut in half, and the dogs would have not licked on the sickness of the priesthood, but been added.

I see the dogs as gentiles.

Lazarus is carried by the angels, but the rich man is buried in the Earth, the two are separated.

And that scripture that Jesus mentions about a man divorcing his wife is just the same as the rich man divorcing the priesthood.

HannibalFlavius · Jan 20, 2014

What I was saying does travel through many sayings and at least 3 chapters.

He talks about the Prodigal in 15, and then starts 16

.11 So if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will trust you with true riches? 12 And if you have not been trustworthy with someone elses property, who will give you property of your own?

This is talking about the body we have been given, then it talks about the marriage which is a marriage of the body

Chapter 17 goes into talking about the two people that make up a single individual.

34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left. [36] [e]

37 Where, Lord? they asked.

He replied, Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.

They are cut in half.

Jesus talks about the servant who does not watch and is then cut in half.

''And then the kingdom will be like ten virgins.''

This kingdom is within a person, it does not come for the eye to see.

I do realize that what I believe, nobody else believes, but then I wouldn't be crazy Hannibal if I believed like the majority.

DennisTate · Jan 21, 2014

I just found this by accident!!!!??? OK.... maybe I was guided to this????!!!

WHY THE RAPTURE WILL BE ON YOM KIPPUR

WHY THE RAPTURE WILL BE ON YOM KIPPUR

by Arlene

mercy1061 · Jan 21, 2014

DennisTate said:
I just found this by accident!!!!??? OK.... maybe I was guided to this????!!!

WHY THE RAPTURE WILL BE ON YOM KIPPUR

WHY THE RAPTURE WILL BE ON YOM KIPPUR
by Arlene

Which scriptures speak about the "rapture"?

daq · Jan 21, 2014

mercy1061 said:
Which scriptures speak about the "rapture"?

It depends: Does your High Priest have Seven Fingers?

Luke 11:20-26
20. But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
21. When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
22. But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.
23. He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.
24. When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25. And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
26. Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

Leviticus 16:13-17
13. And he shall put the incense upon the fire before the Lord, that the cloud of the incense may cover the mercy seat that is upon the testimony, that he die not:
14. And he shall take of the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it with his finger upon the mercy seat eastward; and before the mercy seat shall he sprinkle of the blood with his finger seven times.
15. Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat:
16. And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness.
17. And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goeth in to make an atonement in the holy place, until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel.

Revelation 15:1-8
1. And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven messengers having the seven last strokes; for in them is filled up the thumos-passion-fury of God.
2. And I saw as it were a sea of glass having been mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
3. And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of nations!
4. Who shall not phobeo-reverence thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.
5. And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
6. And the seven messengers came out of the temple, having the seven strokes, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
7. And one of the four living creatures gave unto the seven messengers seven golden vials full of the thumos-passion-fury of God, who liveth for ever and ever.
8. And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven strokes of the seven messengers were fulfilled.

HannibalFlavius · Jan 21, 2014

DennisTate said:
I just found this by accident!!!!??? OK.... maybe I was guided to this????!!!

WHY THE RAPTURE WILL BE ON YOM KIPPUR

WHY THE RAPTURE WILL BE ON YOM KIPPUR
by Arlene

Dennis, I'm not sure what I think of a rapture, but if you want a Jewish date for a rapture, all the scholars I know claim that it is Rosh Hashanah, no doubt that when Jesus said,'' No man knows the hour or day.'' he was speaking of Rosh Hashanah, and there are many reasons why its Rosh Hashanah.

You gave this link to this person thinking that it's Yom Kippor, and this person used to believe it was Rosh Hashanah, but her reasoning looks crazy.

WHY NOT ROSH HASHANAH? ~~~What she said.

I am sure we all wilted when Rosh Hashanah came and went with no resurrection, no call of the Bridegroom nothing. What? It all seemed to fit so well. So, back to the drawing board we go...............

Here is some of what Eddie Chumney says of Rosh Hashanah, if you are looking for a Jewish holy day, Rosh Hashanah is the one. I would look up eddie chumney and most of all the great Messianic speakers, most agree on Rosh Hashanah

Awake, you sleepers, from your sleep! Rouse yourselves, you
slumberers, out of your slumber! Examine your deeds, and turn to
G-d in repentance. Remember your Creator, you who are caught up
in the daily round, losing sight of eternal truth; you are
wasting your years in vain pursuits that neither profit nor save.
Look closely at yourselves; improve your ways and your deeds.
Abandon your evil ways, your unworthy schemes, every one of you!

Its names
1.Teshuvah (repentance)
2.Rosh HaShanah (Head of the Year, Birthday of the World)
3.Yom Teruah (the Day of the Awakening Blast [Feast of Trumpets)
4.Yom HaDin (the Day of Judgment)
5.HaMelech (the Coronation of the Messiah)
6.Yom HaZikkaron (the Day of Remembrance or memorial)
7.The time of Jacob's (Ya'akov) trouble (the birthpangs of the
Messiah, Chevlai shel Mashiach)
8.The opening of the gates
9. Kiddushin/Nesu'in (the wedding ceremony)
10.The resurrection of the dead (rapture, natza1)
11.The last trump (shofar)
12.Yom Hakeseh (the hidden day)

In addition, the thirteenth principle of the Jewish faith is belief in the resurrection of the dead. The resurrection of the dead will take place on Rosh HaShanah (Talmud, Rosh HaShanah l6b). In First Corinthians 15:52, the apostle Paul (Rav Sha'ul) tells us that the resurrection of the dead will be "at the last trump." Earlier, in First Corinthians 15:14, he wrote that without the Messiah rising from the dead, our faith is in vain.
We cannot go to the Book of Revelation and say that the voice of the seventh angel (Revelation 11:15) is the last trump. In the first century, the last trump (shofar) meant a specific day in the year. In Judaism, there are three trumpets (shofarim) that have a name. They are the first trump, the last trump, and the great trump. Each one of these trumpets indicates a specific day in the Jewish year. The first trump is blown on the Feast of Shavuot (Pentecost) (Exodus [Shemot] 19:19). It proclaimed that G-d had betrothed Himself to Israel. The last trump is synonymous with Rosh HaShanah, according to Theodore Gaster in his book, Festivals of the Jewish Year, in his chapter on Rosh HaShanah. Herman Kieval also states the same thing in his book, The High Holy Days (Volume I, Rosh HaShanah, Chapter 5, Footnote 11), in the chapter on the shofar. The great trumpet is blown on Yom Kippur, which will herald the return of the Messiah Yeshua back to earth (Matthew [Mattityahu] 24:31).

The first and last trump relate to the two horns of the ram, which according to Jewish tradition, was caught in the thicket on Mount Moriah when Abraham (Avraham) was ready to slay Isaac (Yitzchak) and offer him up as a burnt offering (olah). This ram became the substitute for Isaac (Yitzchak) even as Yeshua became the substitute for us and provided life for us through His death.

aniello · Jan 21, 2014

Hi Hannibal

In Orthodox Jewish observance of the Fall services(moedim--That is: Yom Teruah, Yom Kippur, Sukkot), are there any soundings of the shofar outside of Yom Teruah?

HannibalFlavius · Jan 21, 2014

aniello said:
Hi Hannibal

In Orthodox Jewish observance of the Fall services(moedim--That is: Yom Teruah, Yom Kippur, Sukkot), are there any soundings of the shofar outside of Yom Teruah?

Yeah, I believe so.

There is a whole science of sounding the shofar and what each trumpet of flute represents, a call to arms, and other things.

I have read a whole bunch but I forget so easily, but yeah, I would say yes.

mercy1061 · Jan 21, 2014

daq said:
It depends: Does your High Priest have Seven Fingers?

Luke 11:20-26
20. But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
21. When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
22. But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.
23. He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.
24. When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25. And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
26. Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

Leviticus 16:13-17
13. And he shall put the incense upon the fire before the Lord, that the cloud of the incense may cover the mercy seat that is upon the testimony, that he die not:
14. And he shall take of the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it with his finger upon the mercy seat eastward; and before the mercy seat shall he sprinkle of the blood with his finger seven times.
15. Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat:
16. And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness.
17. And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goeth in to make an atonement in the holy place, until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel.

Revelation 15:1-8
1. And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven messengers having the seven last strokes; for in them is filled up the thumos-passion-fury of God.
2. And I saw as it were a sea of glass having been mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
3. And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of nations!
4. Who shall not phobeo-reverence thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.
5. And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
6. And the seven messengers came out of the temple, having the seven strokes, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
7. And one of the four living creatures gave unto the seven messengers seven golden vials full of the thumos-passion-fury of God, who liveth for ever and ever.
8. And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven strokes of the seven messengers were fulfilled.

I am not understanding your answer to my question.

aniello · Jan 21, 2014

HannibalFlavius said:
Yeah, I believe so.

There is a whole science of sounding the shofar and what each trumpet of flute represents, a call to arms, and other things.

I have read a whole bunch but I forget so easily, but yeah, I would say yes.

Perhaps, after the Yom Teruah shofar soundings, there might be Ne'ilah at the end of the five Yom Kippur services, very meaningful, at the end of which there is one long solemn shofar sounding, as with great finality, as if the Gates, and the book, have been closed.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

And then, finally, Sukkot.

HannibalFlavius · Jan 21, 2014

aniello said:
Perhaps, after the Yom Teruah shofar soundings, there might be Ne'ilah at the end of the five Yom Kippur services, very meaningful, at the end of which there is one long solemn shofar sounding, as with great finality, as if the Gates, and the book, have been closed.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

And then, finally, Sukkot.

Here is what Eddie Chumney says, and Everyone else that seems to know it real well seems to agree with Eddie.

I think it is Rosh Hashanah for many reasons, but I don't know enough about a rapture to speak of it.

Eddie Chumney

7 Festivals of the Messiah~Rosh Hashanah

Teruah means "an awakening blast". A theme associated with Rosh
HaShanah is the theme "to awake". Teruah is also translated as
"shout".
In I Thessalonians 4:16-17 it is written:
"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a SHOUT, with
the voice of the archangel and with the TRUMP (shofar) of God: and
the dead in Christ shall rise first"
In I Corinthians 15:51-52 it is written:
"Behold, I show you a mystery (sod = deeper spiritual meaning), we
shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the
twinkling of an eye, at THE LAST TRUMP: for the TRUMPET (shofar)
shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we shall
be changed"

THE THREE TRUMPETS (SHOFARIM) OF GOD

The three great trumpets (shofarim) that mark MAJOR events in the
redemptive plan of God are associated with days in the Biblical
calendar. The FIRST TRUMP is associated with and was seen as being
blown by God on the feast of Shavuot (Pentecost) when God gave the
Torah at Mount Sinai. In Exodus (Shemot) 19:18-19 it is written:
"And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the Lord
descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the
smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly. And when the
voice of the TRUMPET sounded LONG and waxed LOUDER and LOUDER, Moses
spake, and God answered him by a voice"
God was seen as blowing the TRUMPET (shofar) on Mount Sinai in
Exodus (Shemot) 19:19. It is SUPERNATURAL to blow the shofar and for
the sound to "wax louder and louder". It is NATURAL when you blow the
shofar for the person blowing the shofar to loose their wind and the
sound of the shofar to wane as this happens. However, on Mount Sinai,
the TRUMPET "waxed louder and louder".
The LAST TRUMP is associated and blown on Rosh HaShanah. In
his book, "Festivals of the Jewish Year" in the chapter on Rosh
HaShanah, the Orthodox Jewish author (not a believer in Yeshua/Jesus
as Messiah) will tell you that an IDIOM for Rosh HaShanah is the LAST
TRUMP.
Therefore because the LAST TRUMP is a Jewish idiom for ROSH
HASHANAH, the Apostle Paul (Rav Sha'ul) when referring to the
resurrection of the dead happening at the "last trump" was using a
Jewish idiom for the feast of Rosh HaShanah and indicating by doing
so that the resurrection of the dead will take place on Rosh
HaShanah.

HannibalFlavius · Jan 21, 2014

Eddie Chumney

7 Festival of the Messiah~Rosh Hashanah

Therefore, the shofar (ram's horn) was seen as playing a
significant role in the redemption.
The third significant shofar in the redemptive plan of God is
called the GREAT TRUMP. The GREAT TRUMP is associated with and is
blown on YOM KIPPUR. In Matthew 24:29-31 it is written:
"Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days ... and then shall
appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven ... and he shall send his
angels with a GREAT SOUND OF A TRUMPET (this is the GREAT TRUMP or
the Shofar HaGadol) ..."
Therefore, the literal second coming of Messiah AFTER the
tribulation is idiomatically shown to us by Yeshua/Jesus to be
associated with YOM KIPPUR.

TWO KINDS OF TRUMPETS IN THE BIBLE

The shofar was blown at the temple during the days of the
temple to begin the sabbath each week. There are two types of
trumpets used in the Bible:
1) The silver trumpet
2) The shofar (ram's horn)
According to (Lev 23:24 and Numbers 29:1), Rosh HaShanah is
the day of the blowing of the trumpets. According to the Mishnah
(Oral Teachings of Judaism) in (Rosh HaShanah 16a, 3:3), the trumpet
used for this purpose is the ram's horn not the silver trumpets
mentioned in Numbers 10.

THE USE OF THE SHOFAR IN THE BIBLE
The shofar or ram's horn has always held a prominent role in the
history of God's people in the Bible.
1) The Torah was given to Israel with the sound of the shofar
(Exodus 19:19)
2) Israel conquered in the battle of Jericho with the blast of the
shofar (Joshua 6:20)
3) Israel will be advised of the advent of the Messiah with the sound
of the shofar (Zech 9:14, 16)
4) The shofar will be blown to signal the assembly of the Israelites
during war (Judges 3:27, II Samuel 20:1)
5) The shofar will be blown at the time of the ingathering of the
exiles of Israel back to the land of Israel (Isaiah 27:13)
6) The watchman who stood upon Jerusalem's walls blew the shofar
(Ezekiel 33:3-6)
7) The shofar was blown at the start of the jubilee year (Lev 25:9)
8) The shofar is a reminder that God is sovereign (Psalm 47:5)
9) The ram's horn is a reminder of Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac and
God's provision of a ram as a substitute (Genesis 22:13)
10) The shofar was blown to announce the beginning of festivals
(Numbers 10:10). The shofar was blown to celebrate the new
moon on Rosh HaShanah (Psalm 81:1-3)
11) The blowing of the shofar is a signal for the call of repentance
(Isaiah 58:1)
12) The blowing of the shofar ushers in the day of the Lord
(Joel 2:1)
13) The blowing of the shofar is sounded at the resurrection of the
dead (I Thess 4:16)
14) John was taken up to Heaven with the sound of a shofar (Rev 4:1)
15) Seven Shofarim are sounded when God judges the earth during the
tribulation period (Rev 8-9)
16) The shofar was used for the coronatino of kings
(I Kings 1:34, 39)

HannibalFlavius · Jan 21, 2014

Eddie Chumney goes through each name of Rosh Hashanah and showing how so many things point to it. I think he listed 12 names, and each name has a little science behind it. The wedding feast, and the rapture as some believe, many concepts on that day.

I see Rosh Hashanah happening 3 times in Revelation.

A little of Eddie Chumney on the wedding.

The bridegroom would return with a shout, "Behold, the bridegroom comes" and the sound of the ram's horn (shofar) would be blown.

The time of the return of the bridegroom was usually at midnight. When the bridegroom did come, he came with a shout (Matthew 25:6) and with the blowing of a shofar (trumpet) (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; Revelation 4:1). The marriage between the bride and the groom will take place under the chupah or wedding canopy. Since Heaven is a type of chupah, we can see that when Yeshua gives a shout for His bride, accompanied by the blowing of a shofar (trumpet), the marriage between Yeshua and His bride will take place in Heaven.

The marriage ceremony will have a sacred procession. For this reason, the bridegroom (Yeshua) will be led to the chupah first. When the bridegroom approaches the chupah, the cantor chants, "Blessed is he who comes." "Blessed is he who comes" is an idiomatic expression meaning "welcome." Yeshua said that He would not return for His bride until these words were said (Matthew 23:39). The groom is greeted like a king under the chupah. During this time Yeshua, the bridegroom, will be crowned King under the chupah, which is Heaven.

11. He would abduct his bride, usually in the middle of the night, to go to the bridal chamber where the marriage would be consummated. This is the full marriage, known in Hebrew as nesu'in.

The bride and groom will go to the wedding chamber, or chadar in Hebrew, where the marriage will be consummated. They will stay in that wedding chamber for seven days, or a week. At the end of the seven days, the bride and groom will come out from the wedding chamber. This can be seen in Joel 2:16.

The word week in Hebrew is shavuah. It means a "seven." It can mean seven days or seven years. An example of the Hebrew word for week (shavuah) meaning seven years can be found in Daniel 9:24, as it is written, "Seventy weeks [shavuah, 490 years] are determined upon thy people..." and in 9:27, "And he [the false Messiah known as the antichrist] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week [shavuah, seven years]...." The week referred to in Daniel 9:27 is known to Bible believers as the tribulation period. The Jewish people understand this time to be the birthpangs of the Messiah known in Hebrew eschatology as the Chevlai shel Mashiach. This is taken from Jeremiah 30:5-7. From this we can see that the believers in the Messiah will be with the Messiah in Heaven for His wedding while the earth will be experiencing the seven-year tribulation period, or the Chevlai shel Mashiach, in Hebrew.

12. Finally, there would be a marriage supper for all the guests invited by the father of the bride.

The bride and the groom would be in the wedding chamber for seven days. When the bride and the groom initially went into the wedding chamber, the friend of the bridegroom stood outside the door. All the assembled guests of the wedding gathered outside, waiting for the friend of the bride-groom to announce the consummation of the marriage, which was relayed to him by the groom. John (Yochanan) the Immerser (Baptist) referred to this in John 3:29. At this signal, great rejoicing broke forth (John 3:29). The marriage was consummated on the first night (Genesis [Bereishit] 29:23). The bloodstained linen from this night was preserved. It was proof of the bride's virginity (Deuteronomy [Devarim] 22:13-21).

On the wedding day, the bridegroom is seen as a king and the bride as a queen. During the consummation of the marriage, the bridegroom (Yeshua) will be crowned King over all the earth and the bride (the believers in Yeshua, the Messiah) will live with Him and rule with Him forever. The crowning of the King and the marriage can be seen in Isaiah 62:3-7. At the end of the week (seven-year tribulation, or birthpangs of the Messiah), the marriage supper will take place. The marriage supper will not take place in Heaven. After the marriage, the bride and Groom will return to earth. The marriage supper will be taking place on earth and only the invited guests of the Father of the Groom (G-d the Father) will be present at the banquet meal. This can be seen in Revelation 19:7-16 and 20:4. Yeshua spoke of the marriage supper and the banquet in Luke 12:35-38 and Matthew 8:11. The wedding supper is a theme of the festival of Sukkot, which will be discussed further in a later chapter. During Sukkot, the people were instructed by G-d to build a temporary shelter. One of the things G-d instructed the people to do is eat there. When they eat, they are to set a plate for seven different people. Among the seven whom a plate is set for are Abraham (Avraham), Isaac (Yitzchak), and Jacob (Ya'akov). This is what Yeshua was referring to in Matthew 8:11.

The unbelievers in the Messiah will attend a separate banquet where the fowls of the air will eat their flesh. This can be seen in Revelation 19:17-18.

HannibalFlavius · Jan 21, 2014

Mark Blitz is very impressive with his youtube message on Rosh Hashanah, he thinks pretty much like Eddie.

mercy1061 · Jan 21, 2014

DennisTate said:
I just found this by accident!!!!??? OK.... maybe I was guided to this????!!!

WHY THE RAPTURE WILL BE ON YOM KIPPUR

WHY THE RAPTURE WILL BE ON YOM KIPPUR
by Arlene

What does rapture mean?

mercy1061 · Jan 21, 2014

HannibalFlavius said:
Eddie Chumney goes through each name of Rosh Hashanah and showing how so many things point to it. I think he listed 12 names, and each name has a little science behind it. The wedding feast, and the rapture as some believe, many concepts on that day.

I see Rosh Hashanah happening 3 times in Revelation.

A little of Eddie Chumney on the wedding.

The bridegroom would return with a shout, "Behold, the bridegroom comes" and the sound of the ram's horn (shofar) would be blown.

The time of the return of the bridegroom was usually at midnight. When the bridegroom did come, he came with a shout (Matthew 25:6) and with the blowing of a shofar (trumpet) (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; Revelation 4:1). The marriage between the bride and the groom will take place under the chupah or wedding canopy. Since Heaven is a type of chupah, we can see that when Yeshua gives a shout for His bride, accompanied by the blowing of a shofar (trumpet), the marriage between Yeshua and His bride will take place in Heaven.

The marriage ceremony will have a sacred procession. For this reason, the bridegroom (Yeshua) will be led to the chupah first. When the bridegroom approaches the chupah, the cantor chants, "Blessed is he who comes." "Blessed is he who comes" is an idiomatic expression meaning "welcome." Yeshua said that He would not return for His bride until these words were said (Matthew 23:39). The groom is greeted like a king under the chupah. During this time Yeshua, the bridegroom, will be crowned King under the chupah, which is Heaven.

11. He would abduct his bride, usually in the middle of the night, to go to the bridal chamber where the marriage would be consummated. This is the full marriage, known in Hebrew as nesu'in.

The bride and groom will go to the wedding chamber, or chadar in Hebrew, where the marriage will be consummated. They will stay in that wedding chamber for seven days, or a week. At the end of the seven days, the bride and groom will come out from the wedding chamber. This can be seen in Joel 2:16.

The word week in Hebrew is shavuah. It means a "seven." It can mean seven days or seven years. An example of the Hebrew word for week (shavuah) meaning seven years can be found in Daniel 9:24, as it is written, "Seventy weeks [shavuah, 490 years] are determined upon thy people..." and in 9:27, "And he [the false Messiah known as the antichrist] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week [shavuah, seven years]...." The week referred to in Daniel 9:27 is known to Bible believers as the tribulation period. The Jewish people understand this time to be the birthpangs of the Messiah known in Hebrew eschatology as the Chevlai shel Mashiach. This is taken from Jeremiah 30:5-7. From this we can see that the believers in the Messiah will be with the Messiah in Heaven for His wedding while the earth will be experiencing the seven-year tribulation period, or the Chevlai shel Mashiach, in Hebrew.

12. Finally, there would be a marriage supper for all the guests invited by the father of the bride.

The bride and the groom would be in the wedding chamber for seven days. When the bride and the groom initially went into the wedding chamber, the friend of the bridegroom stood outside the door. All the assembled guests of the wedding gathered outside, waiting for the friend of the bride-groom to announce the consummation of the marriage, which was relayed to him by the groom. John (Yochanan) the Immerser (Baptist) referred to this in John 3:29. At this signal, great rejoicing broke forth (John 3:29). The marriage was consummated on the first night (Genesis [Bereishit] 29:23). The bloodstained linen from this night was preserved. It was proof of the bride's virginity (Deuteronomy [Devarim] 22:13-21).

On the wedding day, the bridegroom is seen as a king and the bride as a queen. During the consummation of the marriage, the bridegroom (Yeshua) will be crowned King over all the earth and the bride (the believers in Yeshua, the Messiah) will live with Him and rule with Him forever. The crowning of the King and the marriage can be seen in Isaiah 62:3-7. At the end of the week (seven-year tribulation, or birthpangs of the Messiah), the marriage supper will take place. The marriage supper will not take place in Heaven. After the marriage, the bride and Groom will return to earth. The marriage supper will be taking place on earth and only the invited guests of the Father of the Groom (G-d the Father) will be present at the banquet meal. This can be seen in Revelation 19:7-16 and 20:4. Yeshua spoke of the marriage supper and the banquet in Luke 12:35-38 and Matthew 8:11. The wedding supper is a theme of the festival of Sukkot, which will be discussed further in a later chapter. During Sukkot, the people were instructed by G-d to build a temporary shelter. One of the things G-d instructed the people to do is eat there. When they eat, they are to set a plate for seven different people. Among the seven whom a plate is set for are Abraham (Avraham), Isaac (Yitzchak), and Jacob (Ya'akov). This is what Yeshua was referring to in Matthew 8:11.

The unbelievers in the Messiah will attend a separate banquet where the fowls of the air will eat their flesh. This can be seen in Revelation 19:17-18.

Is the prince normally crowned king while his father is alive?

HannibalFlavius · Jan 21, 2014

mercy1061 said:
Is the prince normally crowned king while his father is alive?

Don't rightly know.

Yom Kippur/The Rapture connection?!

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