Does God always heal?

Did you know that Jesus COULD NOT heal some people because of THERE unbelief?

Isn't it interesting that a man who received his sight didn't even know who Jesus was? This story flies in the face of the unbiblical, metaphysical teachings of the word of faith movement.

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11 He answered and said, A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to the pool of Siloam, and wash: and I went and washed, and I received sight.

He knew the man to be Jesus. And he had faith -- enough faith to let someone put spit and clay in his eyes (gosh he cld have said what the heck are u trying to do get lost!) and he had faith to go to the pool of Siloam to wash (gosh he could have acted like modern day sceptics and apologists and say are u nuts, now that you've dirtied my eyes you want me to go swimming? get out of here!).

Originally posted by Apologist
The blind man in John chapter 9 didn't exercise faith at all.

10 Therefore they said to him, “How were your eyes opened?”
11 He answered and said, “A Man called Jesus made clay and anointed my eyes and said to me, ‘Go to the pool of Siloam and wash.’ So I went and washed, and I received sight.”
12 Then they said to him, “Where is He?”
He said, “I do not know.”

24 So they again called the man who was blind, and said to him, “Give God the glory! We know that this Man is a sinner.”
25 He answered and said, “Whether He is a sinner or not I do not know. One thing I know: that though I was blind, now I see.”


Isn't it interesting that a man who received his sight didn't even know who Jesus was?

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There is also a difference between "unbelief" and "no belief".  Unbelief is "I don't believe", etc. No believe is "I don't know".

Jesus went into His own hometown and people looked at Him and said, "oh that's just Joe's son, ya know the kid who helped his dad build our house.  He's nobody special."  They were saying "I don't believe".

The blind man had only heard a man named Jesus tell him to go wash in the pool.  He'd never seen Him.  It could be he'd never even heard of him.  But he was willing to take the risk of looking foolish, saying, "I don't know, but I'll try it".  And he was healed. 

Originally posted by SUNSTONE
Did you know that Jesus COULD NOT heal some people because of THERE unbelief?

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Either they wouldn't let Him near them, or else they wouldn't let go of what ailed them... thats my op there...

Pretty common dilemma. Even among Christians.

SUNSTONE said this in Post #101

Did you know that Jesus COULD NOT heal some people because of THERE unbelief?

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How sad but true...

7th February 2003 at 06:52 PM SUNSTONE said this in Post #101

Did you know that Jesus COULD NOT heal some people because of THERE unbelief?

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Words are very important. Christ DID NOT heal because of lack of faith. Could he have? Yes. God is not bound by our faith, nor is he unable to do anything without our faith.

If you always look to God, with nothing tn between to hamper that ('cept Jesus), God will always be there for you.

If on the other hand, you look to God one day and the next day pray to buddha or whatever for your requests,,, well God wiil let buddha answer...

hope you don't wait too long....

Yesterday at 07:46 PM Outspoken said this in Post #108 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=645172#post645172)

Words are very important. Christ DID NOT heal because of lack of faith. Could he have? Yes. God is not bound by our faith, nor is he unable to do anything without our faith.

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Then you are calling Jesus a lier. He rebuked the disciples for there lack of faith.

If God could do just anything, then why do people goto hell? It says in the bible, it is God's will that "all" come to the full repentance of Christ.

I have said it before and I will say it again.
Why should anyone listen to you, who has zero answered prayers on healings, and others on here have testified over and over about recieving healings?

I love you brother, but its time for you to wake up. You serve an awesome God!
It is Gods will to drastictly change your life!Jesus said I have come so that you may have life, and that you may have it more abundantly!
All these things that we are telling you about healings and prosperity, aren't for you! Only a selfish person would think like that. These things are for you to be a blessing to EVERYONE around you!
The bible says to pray for one another, it says to give to those who ask. Jesus gave his life, Jesus washed the disciples feet, Jesus prayed for people, Jesus healed people, Jesus set people free, Jesus conquered sin and death, and said I have all the power and now I give it to you! Now go and make disciples out of all the nations, and these things shall follow, they shall speak in tongues, raise the dead, and lay hands on the sick and they shall recover.

BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH!

"Then you are calling Jesus a lier."

Not at all. God rebuked them for lack of faith, but as romans clearly says in chapter 3 "What if some did not have faith? Wheir lack of fiath nullify God's faithfullness?" Nope If God wants something done, it will be done no matter what. As the pslams also say, Be still and know that he is God and his name WILL be exaulted....

No maybe about it. God's power is NOT dependant on your faith brother. the sooner you realize that the better off you will be. You need God, not the other way around.


"who has zero answered prayers on healings"

HUH? What does this have to do with this at all? You've never been risen from the dead, so why should I listen to you about a risen Christ? That's the silliest argument I've ever heard. You should listen to me because my words are true and backed up by scripture.

That's the thing, God is a mightly and powerful God, and it is by his LOVE that we are included. He does not need us anymore then you need an ant. God loves us thus grants what he thinks best for us when we ask through faith. Ask and you shall find, but be prepared for a no because sometimes he says no.

Yesterday at 06:39 PM Outspoken said this in Post #111

"Then you are calling Jesus a lier."

Not at all. God rebuked them for lack of faith, but as romans clearly says in chapter 3 "What if some did not have faith? Wheir lack of fiath nullify God's faithfullness?" Nope If God wants something done, it will be done no matter what. As the pslams also say, Be still and know that he is God and his name WILL be exaulted....

No maybe about it. God's power is NOT dependant on your faith brother. the sooner you realize that the better off you will be. You need God, not the other way around.


"who has zero answered prayers on healings"

HUH? What does this have to do with this at all? You've never been risen from the dead, so why should I listen to you about a risen Christ? That's the silliest argument I've ever heard. You should listen to me because my words are true and backed up by scripture.

That's the thing, God is a mightly and powerful God, and it is by his LOVE that we are included. He does not need us anymore then you need an ant. God loves us thus grants what he thinks best for us when we ask through faith. Ask and you shall find, but be prepared for a no because sometimes he says no.

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I see what your saying but it is not scripture. In Mark 6:5 Jesus could do NO mighty work because of the lack of faith. Then there's James 1:6 But let him ask in FAITH, NOTHING wavering, For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. Ver 7, For let not that man think he shall receive ANYTHING of the Lord. 8, a double minded man is unstable in all his ways. He who doubts is like a wave that is rising one moment, sinking the next. One minute he believes; another he does not. He says yes and then no to what God has promised, never making up his mind which way he believes. He staggers like a drunken man, helpless in prayer. How about Psa 37 4:2 Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desiers of thine heart. Or Matt 7:7, Matt 18:19, John 15:7-8, John 15:16, John 16:23-26. What if we want something done we have to believe "his word" and pray.

If I need and want my two boys SO much how much more does God need and want you and I.

Your "If God wants something done, it will be done no matter what" shows a lack of reading the word(unless I am taking it wrong,thanks blindfaith). Do you know what he is talking about in Rom 3:3? If you read before and after you will see what he is talking about. God is Faithfull, if you some don't believe in his promises that will not stop God from keeping his promises to those who do believe.




 

Your "If God wants something done, it will be done no matter what" shows a lack of reading the word.

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Forgive me if I'm reading this wrong Blade, but that kind of sounds to me like putting restraints or conditions on God.  Meaning, that all things are possible with God, and if He wants something done, He'll do it if it's according to His purpose and furthers the Kingdom plan.

I mean, even people with no faith and no belief are being used by God to further His Kingdom, they just don't know it!  Praise God in all His wisdom.  If God only did things through people of faith, then not as much would be getting done, don't you think?  I mean, let's take the Pharoah of Egypt for example.  He obviously didn't have any faith, and his heart was hardened.  God used him magnificently to further His Kingdom plan, by delivering His children out of Egypt on the Exodus.

Am I making sense or did I read you wrong? :o

To all of my brothers & sisters in Christ, have a fantastic and GLORIOUS day in the Lord!!!

Much love,

BF

Today at 10:57 AM blindfaith said this in Post #113

Forgive me if I'm reading this wrong Blade, but that kind of sounds to me like putting restraints or conditions on God.  Meaning, that all things are possible with God, and if He wants something done, He'll do it if it's according to His purpose and furthers the Kingdom plan.

I mean, even people with no faith and no belief are being used by God to further His Kingdom, they just don't know it!  Praise God in all His wisdom.  If God only did things through people of faith, then not as much would be getting done, don't you think?  I mean, let's take the Pharoah of Egypt for example.  He obviously didn't have any faith, and his heart was hardened.  God used him magnificently to further His Kingdom plan, by delivering His children out of Egypt on the Exodus.

Am I making sense or did I read you wrong? :o

To all of my brothers & sisters in Christ, have a fantastic and GLORIOUS day in the Lord!!!

Much love,

BF

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Hi blindfaith, you are right, I may have taken what he said wrong but I took it as God can do anything like "your gona be saved no matter what because thats what God wants". Now if he ment it like you said then I took it wrong and to him sorry   

Why would God tell us to pray, if He was so sovergn and totally in control?
I mean if He was totally in control, all we would have to do is just sit there.

Why do people goto hell, when it is Gods will that all come to the full repentance of the Lord?

What do are the gifts healings and miracles, used for?

Outspoken you have some scripture, I have alot of scripture, you have works(nothing) and I have works(many testimonies).
So why should anyone listen to you?

7th February 2003 at 10:04 PM Apologist said this in Post #104

Have a nice day

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Thats it? Well if we go to Ver 17 of the same chp they say" what sayest thou of him,  that he hath opened thine eyes? He said, He is a prophet." A real good guess?. It does'nt say he had or had not faith, lets not try to make is say something it's not.

"In Mark 6:5 Jesus could do NO mighty work because of the lack of faith. "

no....read the passage. He wouldn't do it because of lack of faith.

"shows a lack of reading the word"
not at all. It shows an understanding of who God is

"Psa 46:10 Be still, and know that I [am] God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth. "

notice the word WILL Regardless of what we do, it will happen. God does what he wants, his plan WILL happen.

"If you read before and after you will see what he is talking about. God is Faithfull, if you some don't believe in his promises that will not stop God from keeping his promises to those who do believe.
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I know exactly what it means. It means that when we fail God is faithful, he is still going even when we fail, ie, if we don't do God's plan, he will do it because no matter what happens it will get done. He wants you healed, you will be healed. If not, then not.

"God wants"

Can you refuse the will of God? Could Judus or Pharro?

Today at 07:12 PM Outspoken said this in Post #117

"In Mark 6:5 Jesus could do NO mighty work because of the lack of faith. "

no....read the passage. He wouldn't do it because of lack of faith.

"shows a lack of reading the word"
not at all. It shows an understanding of who God is

"Psa 46:10 Be still, and know that I [am] God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth. "

notice the word WILL Regardless of what we do, it will happen. God does what he wants, his plan WILL happen.

"If you read before and after you will see what he is talking about. God is Faithfull, if you some don't believe in his promises that will not stop God from keeping his promises to those who do believe.
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I know exactly what it means. It means that when we fail God is faithful, he is still going even when we fail, ie, if we don't do God's plan, he will do it because no matter what happens it will get done. He wants you healed, you will be healed. If not, then not.

"God wants"

Can you refuse the will of God? Could Judus or Pharro?

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Maybe I am just reading it wrong. You are right in God will get his praise. There is no verse in the bible for "if not, then not"

If God didnt want us to have healing, he wldnt have put our sicknesses and pains on Jesus on the cross. Jesus bore our sins AS WELL AS our sicknesses and pains. Healing is in the atoning work of Christ.

The only reason we can receive ANY blessing is becos of the atoning work of Christ. There is no other reason. Even healing in the OT had to be thru some form of atonement sacrifice -- shadows of the sacrifice of Jesus.

Once you can see healing in the atoning work of Christ, all "if" questions cease. "if" is the badge of doubt.

Why would God tell us to pray, if He was so sovergn and totally in control?

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Because He wants a relationship with us.  We aren't puppets.  If He didn't want a relationship, why send Jesus?

 

Why do people goto hell, when it is Gods will that all come to the full repentance of the Lord?

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Free will.

What do are the gifts healings and miracles, used for?

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What do or what are?  If the question is "what are the gifts...", let's remember who the gifts come from.  The spirit, not us.  Without the Holy Spirit, we wouldn't have any gifts.  Only through the Holy Spirit is anything accomplished.  It's not because of us.  It's because of Him.

 

Outspoken you have some scripture, I have alot of scripture, you have works(nothing) and I have works(many testimonies).So why should anyone listen to you?

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I have never seen anything so presumptuous and egotistical.  I hope that the HS reveals this to you, and that you humble yourself.  This is not acceptable.