Just who are these CARM guys?

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I wouldn't go back to Carm if they were the only thing going.

I have never been insulted so much in my life as I was at that place.

Maybe it has changed, I just don't see how.

I can see Christians going there, but I am a Messianic, and there would be no way for me to be there, it's hard enough here.

I should not even post this post because I have no right to.

The only place safe for me in this place is unorthodox forum, or Messianic Judaism, I swore I wouldn't speak in general theology again but here I am, a glutton for punishment.
We applaud your bravery!
 
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So it's much like GT? lol
Can't possibly be worse!?

GT is mild compared to many sites. I've been to a couple that were as rude as rude can be. The Mods here do a good job at keeping things calm.
I've never had my feeling hurt at CF. Some have tried but I'm pretty thick skinned via the internet. But I've had them hurt at another Christian site. I've read some at Carm and would not post there.
 
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If you can stand for yourself, and aren't sensitive, CARM can be interesting and informative. But if you have what I call "Hall Monitor" mentality, and are used to being protected or sheltered, stay away.

They truly are some pretty mean and viscous people, and you can easily get your feelings hurt if you are so inclined.
 
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If you can stand for yourself, and aren't sensitive, CARM can be interesting and informative. But if you have what I call "Hall Monitor" mentality, and are used to being protected or sheltered, stay away.

They truly are some pretty mean and viscous people, and you can easily get your feelings hurt if you are so inclined.
If you're an Evangelical that may be true. If your liturgical you come to Carm as a second class(not quite Christian) poster.
 
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If you're an Evangelical that may be true. If your liturgical you come to Carm as a second class(not quite Christian) poster.
You wouldn't believe the abuses hurled at me over there because I believe in tongues and healing. God forbid if you believe in the extreme Word of Faith stuff.
 
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You wouldn't believe the abuses hurled at me over there because I believe in tongues and healing. God forbid if you believe in the extreme Word of Faith stuff.
Same here in GT with faith/healing/tongues stuff.
Guess you P/C's are the "most hated everywhere" group.
;)
lol
:doh:

Why can't we be friends
Why can't we be friends
Why can't we be friends
Why can't we be friends
The color of your skin don't matter to me
As long as we can live in harmony
~War lyrics (irony
 
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Same here in GT with faith/healing/tongues stuff.
Guess you P/C's are the "most hated everywhere" group.
Yeah, kind of. Most everywhere, I suppose. Over at "Grace Centered", I was very openly accused of being a drunkard, and a wh___monger, and a thief, because I believe in Grace. (and in those very words)
 
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You wouldn't believe the abuses hurled at me over there because I believe in tongues and healing. God forbid if you believe in the extreme Word of Faith stuff.
At least here in CF/GT we only pick on you a little, eh? ;)

Now how does it go ... we're not as other forum people are! We're not meanies, we don't use fallacies in our arguments, we gather evidence for every post, construct sound arguments, and we don't do ad-homs like those CARM guys! ;) (think of Luke 18:11-12)

We ought always to consider what we are like and how we behave before we set about fixing other people's faults, right? It is what Jesus said:
Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
Matthew 7:3-5
I am not singling you out, brother Willie T, I think we're all rather guilty of the faults that are being attributed to CARM and hence we ought to be a little circumspect about our complaints about them and instead set about the task of removing the log that is in our own eye. By
  • avoiding ad hominem argumentation - in my experience here ad hom is very common though some disguise it by launching an attack on the history of this or that denomination's members (Spanish Inquisition style comments tossed into a debate about the meaning and nature of baptism is one example of an ad hom style argument),
  • avoid appealing to majority opinion - the majority can be wrong so their opinion has no special status and cannot be appealed to as if it were proof of truth,
  • gather good evidence for one's own claims and present it, and
  • be honest when dealing with what other people say rather than distorting it just to score a 'point'.
 
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Same here in GT with faith/healing/tongues stuff.
Guess you P/C's are the "most hated everywhere" group.
;)
lol
:doh:

Why can't we be friends
Why can't we be friends
Why can't we be friends
Why can't we be friends
The color of your skin don't matter to me
As long as we can live in harmony
~War lyrics (irony)

If only the bad behaviour of this or that priest, bishop, school teacher etcetera didn't matter when discussing baptism, for example, or the way 'tongues' is to be understood in first Corinthians chapters twelve through fourteen. There are so many cases where "can we still be friends" comes to mind.
Todd Rundgren - Can We Still Be Friends? - YouTube

Lord have mercy on me, a sinner.
 
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Often I just consider the source, and it really doesn't matter much.

I've found about six people here whose opinions I think matter, so when they speak, I listen... even if it doesn't agree with how I see things.

Lots of people who post here post in good faith and offer interesting views - I often do not agree with their stated views but they still present a good case and offer interesting comment.

I do admit to having many biases of my own. God willing those biases can be overcome through God's graces.
 
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You wouldn't believe the abuses hurled at me over there because I believe in tongues and healing. God forbid if you believe in the extreme Word of Faith stuff.

That's odd. Matt is charismatic. IIRC, his wife prays in tongues.
 
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I have about 6,000 posts at CARM. I've never had any conversations or contact with Diane - although I know she rarely does post there and is the admin of the forums. I've never read anything from Matt, although I know he runs the CARM ministry. He never posts at the forums and isn't discussed there.
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I guess things have changed. Matt used to participate occasionally, mainly on whatever board it was that discussed Creation vs. Evolution. Diane participated quite a bit, especially on the Catholicism board.
 
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I used to like the "threaded" format of the discussion boards there. And I met a few of my best online friends there -- people I'd love to meet IRL. But there were times of sturm und drang, the most notable in my recollection being a season of edit wars involving Wikipedia articles about Matt and CARM, and some small alternative sites with a bit of a CARM-bashing bent that congealed out of people evicted from CARM and some of their friends. Every so often, CARM would do a complete overhaul of the discussion board software, often requiring members to re-enroll. On one of those occasions, I decided I'd had enough and never bothered to re-up.
 
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Yeah, kind of. Most everywhere, I suppose. Over at "Grace Centered", I was very openly accused of being a drunkard, and a wh___monger, and a thief, because I believe in Grace. (and in those very words)
They were posers.
Scary!
 
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Same here in GT with faith/healing/tongues stuff.
Guess you P/C's are the "most hated everywhere" group.
;)
lol
:doh:

WHOA!!!!


Oh no, Messianics are the most hated of Christians, and I use the word Christian very loosely because Christians do not see Messianics as Christians and I tend to agree.

Don't be trying to take away my title cotton picker.^_^

I enjoy being the most despised in forums.


I would dare somebody to try and be a Messianic for a while, it's not at all the same as being any other type of Christians here, we are told flat out that we are not Christian, I may as well be a Muslim.
 
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If only the bad behaviour of this or that priest, bishop, school teacher etcetera didn't matter when discussing baptism, for example,
I bring those things up when you post mean vids of folks speaking
in tongues to remind you that one bad apple don't spoil the entire
bunch sweetie.
Always have, always will.
And I love you in spite of
these kinds of posts.

or the way 'tongues' is to be understood in first Corinthians chapters twelve through fourteen. There are so many cases where "can we still be friends" comes to mind.
Indeed.
#grudgesnobueno
 
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WHOA!!!!


Oh no, Messianics are the most hated of Christians, and I use the word Christian very loosely because Christians do not see Messianics as Christians and I tend to agree.

Don't be trying to take away my title cotton picker.^_^

I enjoy being the most despised in forums.


I would dare somebody to try and be a Messianic for a while, it's not at all the same as being any other type of Christians here, we are told flat out that we are not Christian, I may as well be a Muslim.
Oh man.
I can't believe I overlooked you guys!
Oops, my bad.
^_^
I have a GF who began protestant
then came to CF, switched to RCC
(and was ostracized by everyone she
knew IRL.) After some time and
butting heads in her parish over
Bibles and sainthood, she became
Messianic (I think that's what she'd
answer to anyhow)
She doesn't post here now.
Go figure. :p
LOL!
 
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Oh man.
I can't believe I overlooked you guys!
Oops, my bad.
^_^
I have a GF who began protestant
then came to CF, switched to RCC
(and was ostracized by everyone she
knew IRL.) After some time and
butting heads in her parish over
Bibles and sainthood, she became
Messianic (I think that's what she'd
answer to anyhow)
She doesn't post here now.
Go figure. :p
LOL!



Too bad, we could use more Messianic, I''l have to make this my last post because I am really not supposed to be here at all. I love Gt, its my favorite place. I talked on my threads until I was sternly warned that I wasn't Christian, and I have vacated from all other threads, this is the last one.. But then a forum must have rules or they wouldn't be good forums at all, and then the rules should apply to everyone equally but that is not the case. Christians can come and pretty much say what they want in MJ without much fear of warnings, but Messianics cannot do likewise.

And again, a forum must have rules, and whoever owns the forum should do as he pleases, and I am thankful for this forum.
 
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