Christians, have you seen this!

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Tell us about it.

Some people even walk right up to your door to tell you about their religion.

For serious reasons, too. All are expected to be knowledgeable about the 8 coventants. The last covenant especially. Covenant keepers have in their hearts Isaiah 35:1-10. And when approached by believers who are sharing the gospel, each individual becomes thirsty to know more.

One benefit for keeping the covenant is when others praise His Holy name! In person or online, those who announce their faith to missionaries are grateful to learn how they are protected from evil and how Jehovah will, in the end times, demonstrate His power just like in the days of Noah (Isaiah 51:3-11).

Isaiah: Chapter 43 (Revival & Protection From Evil)

1 But now, thus says the Lord, who created you, O Jacob, And He who formed you, O Israel: “Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by your name; You are Mine.

2 When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; And through the rivers, they shall not overflow you. When you walk through the fire, you shall not be burned, Nor shall the flame scorch you.

3 For I am the Lord your God,The Holy One of Israel, your Savior; I gave Egypt for your ransom, Ethiopia and Seba in your place.

4 Since you were precious in My sight, You have been honored, And I have loved you; Therefore I will give men for you, And people for your life.

5 Fear not, for I am with you; I will bring your descendants from the east, And gather you from the west;

6 I will say to the north, ‘Give them up!’ And to the south, ‘Do not keep them back!’ Bring My sons from afar, And My daughters from the ends of the earth—

7 Everyone who is called by My name, Whom I have created for My glory; I have formed him, yes, I have made him.”
 
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If Christians are going to go out of their way to get the government to endorse religions, no fair complaining when the government does exactly that.

This is a perfect example of why the government is supposed to stay out of the business of advertising for various brands of religion. Now that OK leaders have decided it is part of the state's job, it is open season for all of the varieties of religion to use government property to get their message out to the people.

And yeah, that statue looks rockin'. "The statue will also have a functional purpose as a chair where people of all ages may sit on the lap of Satan for inspiration and contemplation." Love it. Unfortunately the people who most need to understand the irony of some groups being offended by this will be too busy getting offended by it to appreciate the effort.

Meanwhile the quotes from the R lawmakers are pretty much making the outcome of the court case a done deal. I'm sure that's what they are going for - when SCOTUS knocks this law down they get to pretend they're fighting the good fight for Jesus against liberal activist judges. Too bad their followers don't see the contradiction between "small" government republicans and wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on publicity stunts like this.
 
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No Christian supports this sick obscenity.

Do you support church state separation or do you just want the state setting up monuments for religions view you agree with?
 
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This is a perfect example of why the government is supposed to stay out of the business of advertising for various brands of religion.
The preclusion is against the government making an official state religion.
All government buildings are owned by the people. If the majority of constituents have no problem with the statue then let it be built. If the majority don't want that monument to the condemned to contaminate their property, then ban it.

What many people want to continue to deny is that we are primarily one nation under God, even if we have differing opinions how we worship or by what name we call Him.

"The statue will also have a functional purpose as a chair where people of all ages may sit on the lap of Satan for inspiration and contemplation."
Sit for inspiration to do evil? Why not have a stature of Tim McVeigh?
 
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Do you support church state separation or do you just want the state setting up monuments for religions view you agree with?
You clearly do not know what the Constitution says about the separation of church and state.

The separation clause insures America can not become a theocracy! It does not outlaw religion in the secular community.
the government is charged in the first amendment to insure the freedom of religion.
Congress can make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion.
People are entitled to freely express their faith, religious symbols are entitled to be exhibited in the secular realm.

You can't argue for the antithesis of the Christian faith to have a right to free expression, while condemning the symbols related to Christian faith and arguing they should be stricken from public view.

This statue has no right to display. Why? Because bestiophilia is illegal! Even in Oklahoma. And that statue depicts exactly that. Zoophilia! And child inappropriate contentography.
 
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The preclusion is against the government making an official state religion.

No, the state is precluded from taking any side in matters of religion. Not advantaging or disadvantaging any sect or view.

All government buildings are owned by the people. If the majority of constituents have no problem with the statue then let it be built. If the majority don't want that monument to the condemned to contaminate their property, then ban it.

What you are wanting is the tyrany of the major, our laws protect against that.

What many people want to continue to deny is that we are primarily one nation under God, even if we have differing opinions how we worship or by what name we call Him.

We are one nation made up largely of theists but we remain a secular nation of laws the highest of which keeps the state secular and out of matters of religion.

E Pluribus Unum was a much more appropriate motto.
 
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You clearly do not know what the Constitution says about the separation of church and state.

I do, actually.

The separation clause insures America can not become a theocracy!

The courts have ruled that in practice that clause includes the state remaining neutral not giving one view advantage over another.


It does not outlaw religion in the secular community.

This case does not deal with the wider community, it deals with religious monument erected in public property.

People are entitled to freely express their faith, religious symbols are entitled to be exhibited in the secular realm.

On their own property, not the publics. Unless the chance is open to all who want to put up a monument. If one view is allowed in, all must be.

You can't argue for the antithesis of the Christian faith to have a right to free expression, while condemning the symbols related to Christian faith and arguing they should be stricken from public view.

I don't want religion stricken from public view, i just don't want the state putting it there on public property. Build a Mount Rushmore size ten commandments tablet if that makes you happy, just do so on your own dime and land.

This statue has no right to display. Why? Because bestiophilia is illegal! Even in Oklahoma. And that statue depicts exactly that. Zoophilia! And child inappropriate contentography.

We must be looking at different monuments . The children are fully clothed and no sex acts are taking place
 
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All government buildings are owned by the people. If the majority of constituents have no problem with the statue then let it be built. If the majority don't want that monument to the condemned to contaminate their property, then ban it.

Actually, that sort of tyranny by the majority is exactly what the Bill of Rights is designed to protect: minority religions against persecution of diminishment by majority religions, the silencing of minority opinions by majority opinions, etc.

The State of Oklahoma chose to get involved with religion by allowing a monument to be built to the Protestant Ten Commandments (as opposed to other versions of the Ten Commandments). They can't say "this religion gets space in the public square because we like it, but this one doesn't because we don't like it." We're all better served by the government staying away from religion altogether.

I don't want the government endorsing my religion over the religions of other people, and I certainly don't want them endorsing other religions over my own.
 
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Actually, that sort of tyranny by the majority is exactly what the Bill of Rights is designed to protect: minority religions against persecution of diminishment by majority religions, the silencing of minority opinions by majority opinions, etc.

The State of Oklahoma chose to get involved with religion by allowing a monument to be built to the Protestant Ten Commandments (as opposed to other versions of the Ten Commandments). They can't say "this religion gets space in the public square because we like it, but this one doesn't because we don't like it." We're all better served by the government staying away from religion altogether.

I don't want the government endorsing my religion over the religions of other people, and I certainly don't want them endorsing other religions over my own.

Well put. What really gets my goat is when the attempt to get one's own minority religion represented alongside Christianity is pointed to as an attempt to abolish religion by someone who is attempting to see to it that Christianity and only Christianity is represented. I have a feeling the Satanists are being a bit tongue-in-cheek in their statue request in the very hope of flushing out this sort of hypocrisy.

Edit: Lest I be guilty of vague-posting:

Did I say that?





You clearly do not know what the Constitution says about the separation of church and state.

The separation clause insures America can not become a theocracy! It does not outlaw religion in the secular community.
the government is charged in the first amendment to insure the freedom of religion.
Congress can make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion.
People are entitled to freely express their faith, religious symbols are entitled to be exhibited in the secular realm.

You can't argue for the antithesis of the Christian faith to have a right to free expression, while condemning the symbols related to Christian faith and arguing they should be stricken from public view.

This statue has no right to display. Why? Because bestiophilia is illegal! Even in Oklahoma. And that statue depicts exactly that. Zoophilia! And child inappropriate contentography.

[emphasis mine]
 
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While others will walk right into your forum and mock it!

:wave:

Whose mocking.

The only point of any public display is to garner attention. Roadside crosses for accident victims, public nativity scenes, billboards, message boards outside churches, etc. are all public displays for attention. Advertisement.

You prefer allusions to acts of terrorism. Try not mocking your own professed faith.

Insert stupid little waving smiley here.
 
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I have a feeling the Satanists are being a bit tongue-in-cheek in their statue request in the very hope of flushing out this sort of hypocrisy.

Given the opposition of Lavey satanists to even tax exemption for religious groups, including their own, and their general nature I have no doubt at all that this is a move made largely to watch others squirm.

As much as I distain the state mixed up in such matters the entertainment value of this would be priceless.
 
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Well put. What really gets my goat is when the attempt to get one's own minority religion represented alongside Christianity is pointed to as an attempt to abolish religion by someone who is attempting to see to it that Christianity and only Christianity is represented. I have a feeling the Satanists are being a bit tongue-in-cheek in their statue request in the very hope of flushing out this sort of hypocrisy.

Edit: Lest I be guilty of vague-posting:



[emphasis mine]

Is your goat something like the statue?

Hehe
 
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