What say you?

B1inHim · Jan 4, 2014

Beloved,
Peace and grace to each of those who stand for Lord Jesus in more than words alone.
We would do well to heed the Word of God and the design of signs that are before us. The eminent return of Lord Jesus in the sky among the clouds is so near that many of us can taste it in our hearts.

Based on the current events before us, we are in store for a transformation soon and a rude awakening for others.

The information contained in this video is 100% correct when it comes to the values of the current events. The signs are ripe with great expectation.

My prayer is that each here who take the time to view this, consider your walk with God and if there is something that needs to be changed, repented of or whatsoever. Do it.

The Lord isn't really being slow about His promise, as some people think. No, He is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent.

Because when this happens, it will take place in the twinkling of an eye and we will not have time to make ready any further.

May all of our lives be a sweet-smelling aroma, an acceptable sacrifice, well pleasing to God. That God shall supply all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus. Now to our God and Father be glory forever and ever.
So Be It
Love.
Brother Jerry
משרתם בונד של ישו

The Six Seals of Revelation plus one - YouTube

Interplanner · Jan 5, 2014

This is trash. Just because we have the techno capability of modern explosives and video recording does not mean anything about "fulfilling" the Rev. The writer doesn't know about Islam, or Khan. He needs to read the summary of the DofJ at the thread here, and see what people went through in 1st century Judea.

B1inHim · Jan 5, 2014

Interplanner said:
This is trash. Just because we have the techno capability of modern explosives and video recording does not mean anything about "fulfilling" the Rev. The writer doesn't know about Islam, or Khan. He needs to read the summary of the DofJ at the thread here, and see what people went through in 1st century Judea.

Hello,
Just because you seem to believe that you and/or a group here has the answer does not negate the facts that current events hold.

You or your groups refusal to look and see that the real time current events do in fact say that the evidence of the first 4 seals as being open and present tense, does not invalidate the video.

We live in a time of digital information. Something that the 1st century church did not have. We can clearly see that the evidence speaks volumes over a 1900 year old teaching that can easily be adjusted to current events, present tense real time, NOW, TODAY :amen:

Link your teaching to this thread so that it can be seen.

User:B1inHim2day/No Greater Blindness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your statement of "this is trash" is defamatory, slanderous, libelous and seems to be an attempt to damage my good reputation and character at this site.
Please do not do this again.
Thank you
Love

משרתם בונד של ישו
Brother Jerry

Interplanner · Jan 5, 2014

nothing in the video has any identity! It is very poor communication. Instead of being exact it is confusing. If you want to show 'conquering' maybe show the annexation of Poland and identify it. Do you know how much Islam and Khan controlled? Much more than the tiny sliver of land at the east shore of the Med. Sea.

B1inHim · Jan 5, 2014

Interplanner said:
nothing in the video has any identity! It is very poor communication. Instead of being exact it is confusing. If you want to show 'conquering' maybe show the annexation of Poland and identify it. Do you know how much Islam and Khan controlled? Much more than the tiny sliver of land at the east shore of the Med. Sea.

Again, instead of replying with the answer to the request of my post you redefine an attempt to defame the video.

The video is a view of the evidence of the 1st seal. Not your design.
It shows conquering and to conquer and regardless of where, it is the evidence that is being used.

The CENTER of the WORLD is located on a tiny sliver of land located on the east side of the Mediterranean Sea.

post the link to the tread that you mentioned.

Thank you

ebedmelech · Jan 5, 2014

B1inHim said:
The CENTER of the WORLD is located on a tiny sliver of land located on the east side of the Mediterranean Sea.

That statement is the whole problem with what you're saying. As a young Christian I was taught that too. But as i read the scriptures they weren't saying that.

The main problem for *many* Christians is they would rather be taught, rather than dig into the word of God themselves. My first pastor would always caution us we were responsible to God to get into the scriptures and test what we were being taught.

I did that...and in doing so, it led me to reject his "two people of God" and "Israel is the apple of God's eye" thinking.

"The Jerusalem ABOVE is free, she is our mother"

B1inHim · Jan 5, 2014

This is not OP, yet I will address the statement that I made concerning. "The center of the world."

The Hereford Mappa Mundi, drawn in circa 1300, depicted Jerusalem as the center of the world.
In all of history, there's never been a distinct people group who dwellt outside of a national homeland for thousands of years yet retained their identity like the Jewish people. There has never been a people on earth restored to their homeland after dozens of generations. There has never been a case where generations upon generations who forgot their own language and let it die, had it restored to the entire nation. No people, that is, except for God's people in God's land.
The land that was given to Abraham and His descendants.

The war that will end all wars will in fact be fought

The TINY nation is mighty in many ways and again, war will come to her but this time it will be one of the last times. We know from prophecy that the Gog-Magog war will be a surprise attack on Israel as stated in Ezekiel 38-39. We know that Damascus will be destroyed (Isaiah 17:1) indicating some kind of war-like event that obliterates the world's oldest continuously inhabited city. Psalm 83 has variously been interpreted as either an intercessory prayer about a war, or a foretelling of a last days war. And Armageddon, the last war, will occur.

It is the Spiritual Arrogance of the GENTILE Christians who make claim to remaining here throughout the entire GT when in fact this specific time is set aside to correct the thinking and behavior of the literal blood line of the Children of Israel.

The euphemism of calling Israel the "center of the world" is easily seen as being correct, politically as well as geographically at one time.

Ancient secular historians, as well as modem archaeological researchers, all agree that the development of civilization began somewhere in the so-called "Bible lands,"not in Europe or America or China or South Africa, but rather somewhere in the region where Asia and Europe and Africa join together, most likely in the Tigris-Euphrates region. The ancient nations of Sumeria, Egypt, Elam, Assyria, and others of comparable antiquity, were all centered around this area. Similarly the beginnings of written communication, of transportation, of animal domestication, of agriculture, and of most other basic ingredients of structured human economies, are known to focus on this region.

Ezekiel 38:12 speaks of the people of Israel as those "that dwell in the midst of the land" (King James Version). The latter phrase is better translated as "the navel of the earth." Many Bible commentators have interpreted this verse to mean that the land of Israel is located at the geographical center of the earths land surfaces.

And yet, outside of all other disputes, the land that we call Israel is where the final conflict will in fact take place.

Shalom

Interplanner · Jan 5, 2014

There's a funny line here, in the middle, about modem archeology. I guess its true: they have been around long enough that people are doing archeology on modems! lol (I know what you meant!).

I don't have much comment on this. I find that the separate Israel program shows up in people's quotes of Rom 11, but everything has switched. The reality of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost is nowhere to be found in that restored Israel, nor needed, and the "Israel" that gets its land back could be utterly secular and defiant and is still called Israel.

ebedmelech · Jan 5, 2014

B1inHim said:
This is not OP, yet I will address the statement that I made concerning. "The center of the world."

The Hereford Mappa Mundi, drawn in circa 1300, depicted Jerusalem as the center of the world.
In all of history, there's never been a distinct people group who dwellt outside of a national homeland for thousands of years yet retained their identity like the Jewish people. There has never been a people on earth restored to their homeland after dozens of generations. There has never been a case where generations upon generations who forgot their own language and let it die, had it restored to the entire nation. No people, that is, except for God's people in God's land.
The land that was given to Abraham and His descendants.

The war that will end all wars will in fact be fought

The TINY nation is mighty in many ways and again, war will come to her but this time it will be one of the last times. We know from prophecy that the Gog-Magog war will be a surprise attack on Israel as stated in Ezekiel 38-39. We know that Damascus will be destroyed (Isaiah 17:1) indicating some kind of war-like event that obliterates the world's oldest continuously inhabited city. Psalm 83 has variously been interpreted as either an intercessory prayer about a war, or a foretelling of a last days war. And Armageddon, the last war, will occur.

It is the Spiritual Arrogance of the GENTILE Christians who make claim to remaining here throughout the entire GT when in fact this specific time is set aside to correct the thinking and behavior of the literal blood line of the Children of Israel.

The euphemism of calling Israel the "center of the world" is easily seen as being correct, politically as well as geographically at one time.

Ancient secular historians, as well as modem archaeological researchers, all agree that the development of civilization began somewhere in the so-called "Bible lands,"not in Europe or America or China or South Africa, but rather somewhere in the region where Asia and Europe and Africa join together, most likely in the Tigris-Euphrates region. The ancient nations of Sumeria, Egypt, Elam, Assyria, and others of comparable antiquity, were all centered around this area. Similarly the beginnings of written communication, of transportation, of animal domestication, of agriculture, and of most other basic ingredients of structured human economies, are known to focus on this region.

Ezekiel 38:12 speaks of the people of Israel as those "that dwell in the midst of the land" (King James Version). The latter phrase is better translated as "the navel of the earth." Many Bible commentators have interpreted this verse to mean that the land of Israel is located at the geographical center of the earths land surfaces.

And yet, outside of all other disputes, the land that we call Israel is where the final conflict will in fact take place.

Shalom

Yet our Lord sent the gospel to "Jerusalem, then all Judea and Samaria, and even to the ends of the earth."

What's your point? You don't have one!

B1inHim · Jan 5, 2014

ebedmelech said:
That statement is the whole problem with what you're saying. As a young Christian I was taught that too. But as i read the scriptures they weren't saying that.

The main problem for *many* Christians is they would rather be taught, rather than dig into the word of God themselves. My first pastor would always caution us we were responsible to God to get into the scriptures and test what we were being taught.

I did that...and in doing so, it led me to reject his "two people of God" and "Israel is the apple of God's eye" thinking.

"The Jerusalem ABOVE is free, she is our mother"

ebedmelech said:
Yet our Lord sent the gospel to "Jerusalem, then all Judea and Samaria, and even to the ends of the earth."

What's your point? You don't have one!

I made the point of explaining to you, personally, that what you said about the apple of Gods eye...

Then you, personally, attempt to defame my character by demanding that even with my answer you, personally, do not recognize the answer and say that I have no point with an exclamation mark.

Be at peace my friend, the thing that we are discussing shouldn't go any further than this.

The very purpose to the OP and video is to get the sluggards up off their couch and incite them to return to the race that win or not we are to run till finished.
But those who wait on the Lord
Shall renew their strength;
They shall mount up with wings like eagles,
They shall run and not be weary,
They shall walk and not faint.

Perseverance, endurance and training are the same in our Christian life. If we endure, God promises a good result.

Shalom

ebedmelech · Jan 5, 2014

B1inHim said:
I made the point of explaining to you, personally, that what you said about the apple of Gods eye...

Then you, personally, attempt to defame my character by demanding that even with my answer you, personally, do not recognize the answer and say that I have no point with an exclamation mark.

Be at peace my friend, the thing that we are discussing shouldn't go any further than this.

The very purpose to the OP and video is to get the sluggards up off their couch and incite them to return to the race that win or not we are to run till finished.
But those who wait on the Lord
Shall renew their strength;
They shall mount up with wings like eagles,
They shall run and not be weary,
They shall walk and not faint.

Perseverance, endurance and training are the same in our Christian life. If we endure, God promises a good result.

Shalom

I have no idea what your "character" is, so how can I defame it?

What did was challenge your focus on Israel...because it's not about that at all, which is what you're asserting.

So it's not about character, it's about "rightly dividing"!

Interplanner · Jan 5, 2014

But we do want to be running in the correct marathon. I'd hate to win the wrong one.

Jipsah · Jan 5, 2014

B1inHim said:
The information contained in this video is 100% correct

Sure it is. They always are.

Interplanner · Jan 5, 2014

Here is the link to the total Holford presentation. (THere are some short ones I've pulled out here and there).

http://www.christianforums.com/t7794881/

Interplanner · Jan 5, 2014

There is kind of an exhiliaration a person can have thinking they have actually picked out a certain sign that something is happening. A feeling of powerful knowledge. This is very unfortunate. It is unfortunate because almost immediately after the church began, those signs Jesus listed began happening. In fact one very important study you can do is comparing how much Mt 10 is already going on when Mt 24 says it again.

These things have been happening on a large scale all through history.

The debate about Mt24A (= before v29) is enormous. This is not a small question. You can't just go using A as you want about modern times; it has way too many connections to its times.

bibletruth469 · Jan 5, 2014

I watched most of the video. I had trouble with much of the middle because of the graphics. It does prove how blessed we are by God and how we take food, clothing and shelter for granted. It is horrible how the people in Africa for example have to live. Our church helps out people in berkinia faso Africa , supposedly one of the poorest countries in the world. People donate to the cause to build wells and bring food to the people.

I think that you are saying in this video that we are in the great tribulation now. I am not sure that you are saying this so please correct me. We are not in the 7 year tribulation period now. The ' man of sin' has not yet been revealed yet. Many signs , like a great earthquake that encompasses the entire earth has not happened yet.

IMO , I don't think that the actual seals have started yet. I believe that they will take place after the antichrist is revealed . I am also a futurist who believes that the rapture will happen before the tribulation . I know that many on this forum will disagree with me , but that's ok. It is not a measure of a salvation issue of what ones end time viewpoint is. The main issue- Do you have a personal relationship with our lord and savior Jesus Christ . Did you accept Him and repent of your sins and ask Him for forgiveness. That's the main issue .

I also believe in the great commission . We as Christians must get the gospel message out to as many people as possible before it is too late. God is very patient but His patience only last so long and then judgements will soon follow.

B1inHim · Jan 5, 2014

bibletruth469 said:
IMO , I don't think that the actual seals have started yet. I believe that they will take place after the antichrist is revealed . I am also a futurist who believes that the rapture will happen before the tribulation . I know that many on this forum will disagree with me , but that's ok. It is not a measure of a salvation issue of what ones end time viewpoint is. The main issue- Do you have a personal relationship with our lord and savior Jesus Christ . Did you accept Him and repent of your sins and ask Him for forgiveness. That's the main issue .

I also believe in the great commission . We as Christians must get the gospel message out to as many people as possible before it is too late. God is very patient but His patience only last so long and then judgements will soon follow.

The great earthquake that you mentioned takes place as we read in Rev 6:12.

The elements that were shown in the video is evidence that conquering and to conquer is a 24/7 constant, peace was undeniable removed from this planet on 9/11, the cost of bread equating to a days wage in certain countries is a constant as is the Death rate of over 47%.

Just because it is so easy to be seen does not disqualify the information. AND just because the teachers of the seals doctrine does not show the same revelation of the bread and wage or the death ratio does not negate the value that is given .

Not until we have been able to search information as we do today could these be considered as the answer.
Yet thanks to the advent of the internet, we can now weigh information based on comparative facts and not just supposition, conjecture or hypothesis.

Many here are under the express impression that the AC will be exposed for being such by evidence when in fact it is only by divine Holy Spirit revelation that this can be seen. It is not like the AC is going to say; "I'm here".

The video shows the evidence of the presence of the first 4 seals as being present tense and very much in operation. By simple child like faith we can see that the signs of the times are ripe for the in the sky among the clouds return of Lord Jesus.

I agree that salvation is foremost for this dying world and that can ONLY be found in, through and by Jesus Christ, Yeshua Ha-Mashiach.
That a relationship with God by His Way is paramount to any other teaching and that includes the Post-T, Mid-T or Pre-T camps design for the harpazo.

The very purpose of the video is to get that couch potatoes up and move them to do more than sit around and talk about something that will prove itself out during this specific generation.

As far as the Pre-T camps design... I made this

BTW, the AC is here, in power and about to make a change that no one has had a clue about.

What Would Happen IF... - YouTube

Shalom

bibletruth469 · Jan 6, 2014

B1inHim said:
The great earthquake that you mentioned takes place as we read in Rev 6:12. The elements that were shown in the video is evidence that conquering and to conquer is a 24/7 constant, peace was undeniable removed from this planet on 9/11, the cost of bread equating to a days wage in certain countries is a constant as is the Death rate of over 47%. Just because it is so easy to be seen does not disqualify the information. AND just because the teachers of the seals doctrine does not show the same revelation of the bread and wage or the death ratio does not negate the value that is given . Not until we have been able to search information as we do today could these be considered as the answer. Yet thanks to the advent of the internet, we can now weigh information based on comparative facts and not just supposition, conjecture or hypothesis. Many here are under the express impression that the AC will be exposed for being such by evidence when in fact it is only by divine Holy Spirit revelation that this can be seen. It is not like the AC is going to say; "I'm here". The video shows the evidence of the presence of the first 4 seals as being present tense and very much in operation. By simple child like faith we can see that the signs of the times are ripe for the in the sky among the clouds return of Lord Jesus. I agree that salvation is foremost for this dying world and that can ONLY be found in, through and by Jesus Christ, Yeshua Ha-Mashiach. That a relationship with God by His Way is paramount to any other teaching and that includes the Post-T, Mid-T or Pre-T camps design for the harpazo. The very purpose of the video is to get that couch potatoes up and move them to do more than sit around and talk about something that will prove itself out during this specific generation. As far as the Pre-T camps design... I made this BTW, the AC is here, in power and about to make a change that no one has had a clue about. What Would Happen IF... - YouTube Shalom

Yes, the earthquake happens at the 6th seal. So I guess you are saying that we are at the 4th seal right now . I really do not believe your viewpoint , but it's ok for others to have different viewpoints . Are you saying that the antichrist is here on earth working His lying wonders ? One man is supposed to arise and take over by a one world government and religion.

I believe that the entire earth will be effected by the seals; not just a part of it or even 1/2. We are living in luxury compared to the people living in Africa . Wouldn't the seals effect us also ?

Who's to say that the rapture couldn't happen now. It is imminent for the church age. Judgements will fall after the rapture takes place, and things on the earth will immediately start to get much worse. I believe that's when the seals will start.

B1inHim · Jan 7, 2014

bibletruth469 said:
Y

I believe that the entire earth will be effected by the seals; not just a part of it or even 1/2. We are living in luxury compared to the people living in Africa . Wouldn't the seals effect us also ?
.

Read the Word and share it so that it can be known that what it says is complete without embellishments.

Revelation 6

King James Version (KJV)

6 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Not implied as global

3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

Globally affected implied

5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

No specific implication

7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Globally affected implied

9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Not seen or known when this happens

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Globally affected implied

But then a stout theologian can make defense by interwoven verses that hold an entirely different interpretation.

What we see is what we get.

Plain and simple enough that a small child could gain faith.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen.

Peace to you

parousia70 · Jan 7, 2014

B1inHim said:
Based on the current events before us, we are in store for a transformation soon and a rude awakening for others.

What do you mean by Soon?

Do you mean the same thing the divinely inspired apostles meant when they said it was coming "soon", or do you mean something different?

Do you know something the Apostles didn't?

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