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Lion King · Dec 31, 2013

Edial said:
Which are the 2 commandments of Christ.

LK 10:25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

LK 10:26 "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

LK 10:27 He answered: " `Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' ; and, `Love your neighbor as yourself.' "

LK 10:28 "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

Yes. However, those 2 are a summary of all God's commandments (Matthew 22:38-40).

LittleLambofJesus · Dec 31, 2013

Originally Posted by Edial
It is unfortunate our views do not agree.

You can definitely keep Sabbath holy.

If salvation by Law is not being preached - no problem.
Otherwise it redefines Christianity.

Happy New Year.

OrthodoxyUSA said:
So what about 'GiantBear', 'Shiney Gospel Shoes' and 'maco'?

They need to stop teaching here.
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So do any Jewish Sabbath keepers for that matter :pray:

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Lion King · Dec 31, 2013

Edial said:
That's good.

But why not keeping the 2 Christ told us to?

LK 10:25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

LK 10:26 "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

LK 10:27 He answered: " `Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' ; and, `Love your neighbor as yourself.' "

LK 10:28 "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

Was it not Christ who told us not to get a divorce (except in the case of adultery)?
Was it not Christ who commanded us not to commit adultery?
Was it not Christ who commanded us to honor thy mother and father?
Didn't the apostles command us to abstain from food offered to idols?

Edial · Dec 31, 2013

OrthodoxyUSA said:
So what about 'GiantBear', 'Shiney Gospel Shoes' and 'maco'?

They need to stop teaching here.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

If any poster is teaching contrary to CF's statement of faith (which is the Nicene creed), please open a thread in MSC with links.

Then we ask that individual whether or not s/he believe everything in the creed.

BTW, did you used to like the old General Apologetics?

OrthodoxyUSA · Dec 31, 2013

Edial said:
If any poster is teaching contrary to CF's statement of faith (which is the Nicene creed), please open a thread in MSC with links.

Then we ask that individual whether or not s/he believe everything in the creed.

BTW, did you used to like the old General Apologetics?

I've been using the report button. But I'll do as you request.

I don't remember posting much anywhere except GT and some in TAW.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

ptomwebster · Dec 31, 2013

Lion King said:
Are you telling me that if I love others as COMMANDED IN THE LAW, I am not saved?

Are you telling me if I abstain from adultery as COMMANDED IN THE LAW, I am fallen from grace?

This place is getting ridiculous by the minute.

Or maybe we should go rob a bank, or fiddle with someone's wife.

People just seem unable to differentiate between the Law (The Ten Commandments), the ordinances and statutes.

sonshine234 · Dec 31, 2013

Lion King said:
Keyword: works of the Law.

Love is NOT a work of the Law, but the work of God.

Examples of works of Law are circumcision, dietary laws etc.

Works of the law are anything you think you must keep to gain Salvation. No one gets anywhere by following the law, it is folly because you break one and you are guilty of breaking all. Christ offers us a better way, He offers us Grace which is apart from the law. We no longer follow the law made with stone which leads to death but now are free in Christ who write His will on our hearts.

As believers we are free of the law and no longer have to worry about every jot and tittle, we live by Faith not by law. The law leads to condemnation but Christ leads to life

LittleLambofJesus · Dec 31, 2013

Edial said:
If any poster is teaching contrary to CF's statement of faith (which is the Nicene creed), please open a thread in MSC with links.

Then we ask that individual whether or not s/he believe everything in the creed.

BTW, did you used to like the old General Apologetics?

I loved it!

In fact, I had over half my posts on that board before CF relegated it to the cyberspace "Abyss" sometime back......

Evidently, the heathen non-believers were giving the Christians a good butt whooping

http://www.christianforums.com/t7316213/
Where is the general apologetics forum?

29th November 2008, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Oncedeceived

I haven't been here for a long while and I can't find general apologetics except for the archived ones. Thanks in advance.

R.I.P.

Shut down permanently. Too many of the faithful were being shown the light of reason (deconverted)

Originally Posted by RomanSoldier

The deconversion to conversion rate was 7 to 1. Ouch.

MoreCoffee · Dec 31, 2013

While I was sleeping your kind folk created this thread and then filled it with 123 or more posts! So, since it is 07:25 and I am still sleepy I have not yet read all the posts but I want to ask something anyway, if I am repeating what somebody else already asked forgive me and please answer anyway ...

Can there be a subforum for sabbath/ten-commandment-obligation threads, please. There's one for Marian theology so why not for this very SDA-like distinctive?

ptomwebster · Dec 31, 2013

Sojourner1 said:
I'm following this thread as well. So far I believe the biggest complaint is about the threads that debate the Sabbath day, and the threads that debate Law versus Grace. Is this correct? Perhaps it would be beneficial to separate these two topics into their own sub forum. How about the Protestants versus Catholics threads? I've noticed a lot of those threads as well.

I think every member should have their own forum

Lion King · Dec 31, 2013

sonshine234 said:
Works of the law are anything you think you must keep to gain Salvation. No one gets anywhere by following the law, it is folly because you break one and you are guilty of breaking all. Christ offers us a better way, He offers us Grace which is apart from the law. We no longer follow the law made with stone which leads to death but now are free in Christ who write His will on our hearts.

As believers we are free of the law and no longer have to worry about every jot and tittle, we live by Faith not by law. The law leads to condemnation but Christ leads to life

Believers are freed from the Law? Does this mean it's no longer a sin for Christians to commit adultery?

Lion King · Dec 31, 2013

Can we also get a subforum for the Catholic and/or/vs Protestant threads?

Edial · Dec 31, 2013

Lion King said:
Was it not Christ who told us not to get a divorce (except in the case of adultery)?
Was it not Christ who commanded us not to commit adultery?
Was it not Christ who commanded us to honor thy mother and father?
Didn't the apostles command us to abstain from food offered to idols?

And the difference between the 2 and 613?
It is agape love, isn't it?

Lulav · Dec 31, 2013

Edial said:
Let me clarify - 10 commandments or 613?

Jesus did not say either/or.

36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?” 37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Law - 613 + Prophets (?) = Much more than 10 or even 613.

Edial said:
Actually it is not so.
The 9 out of 10 Commandments are sprinkled throughout the NT.
And Sabbath is optional.

Happy New Year!

Optional?:o

How come Mary didn't get the memo on that? she was very close to the Messiah, why didn't he tell her then she wouldn't have had to wait to come and finish his burial ablutions.

And they returned , and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

And when the sabbath was past , Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

Edial · Dec 31, 2013

from scratch said:
Hi Ed,

If they have question fine. I've got no problem with that. We'll be most happy to help them. It is the pushing of those doctrines and the disbelieving anti Paul people causing the problem. They don't accept the NT cannon of Scripture. They say Paul taught the law, but can't prove it. They say Jesus taught the law in defiance of the Gospels particularly John 1:17 and 15:10. Most often their explanation of 15:10 is Jesus (God the Son) and God the Father are one while denying the Gospel evidence even throwing out the Book of the Law and the Prophets. They promote a certain false prophet under the guise of Scripture via proof text that easily violate other passages and sometimes even within the same sentence. I've noticed a drop in reports on me with the disappearance of a few of them.

Happy New Year to you and may we have a great year here.

Respectfully

from scratch

If someone does not believe everything in the Nicene Creed one cannot post in orthodox Christianity forums.

Lion King · Dec 31, 2013

Edial said:
And the difference between the 2 and 613?
It is agape love, isn't it?

Not sure I understand?

LittleLambofJesus · Dec 31, 2013

Lion King said:
Can we also get a subforum for the Catholic and/or/vs Protestant threads?

And the hits keep on coming!

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ptomwebster · Dec 31, 2013

Lion King said:
Keyword: works of the Law.

Love is NOT a work of the Law, but the work of God.

Examples of works of Law are circumcision, dietary laws etc.

"Keyword: works of the Law."......YES!

"Examples of works of Law" ...... YES!

We agree on this point. Not sure if we have ever agreed before or not.

Edial · Dec 31, 2013

Lulav said:
Jesus did not say either/or.

36 Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.

Law - 613 + Prophets (?) = Much more than 10 or even 613.

Great hanger illustration.

Apostle Paul clarified how the 613 hang on the 2.

And these two contain the key words - love.

RO 13:8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself." 10 Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Lulav said:
Optional?:o

I cannot tell you what to do.
Besides, I'm a Gentile, what do you expect.

Happy New Year!

LittleLambofJesus · Dec 31, 2013

Edial said:
And the difference between the 2 and 613?
It is agape love, isn't it?

I hope this doesn't turn into a debate thread rather than an informative one........

http://www.christianforums.com/t7794155/
"God is [agape]" 1 John 4:8

Setyoufree said:
Please note that it doesn't say that agape love is one of God's attributes. No, the Bible states that God IS agape! He is not agape plus....

What, then is "agape"?

The best quick description can be found in 1 Cor 13:5. Let's look:

"Love...is not self-seeking". So the opposite of self-seeking is a selfless love that lives only for others.

But a clearer picture can be seen from the love of Christ revealed at the cross.

When Christ became a man in the incarnation He had to give up not His divinity, but His divine prerogatives, in other words, the independent use of His divinity. Even His God-consciousness had to be given up. Jesus discovered He was God only by revelation. He was not God-conscious as a baby. He had to grow up in knowledge. He had to grow up in everything because He had given up the independent use of His divinity and was made in all things like unto us (Heb. 2:17).

Therefore, He was totally God-dependent all through His earthly ministry. John 5:30 says, “I can do nothing of myself.” John 6:57 says, “I live by the Father.” See also John 8:28 and John 14:10. All these texts state very clearly that Christ was totally God-dependent. Then read Rom 6:4; Acts 2:24, 32; Eph. 1:20. All of these texts clearly tell us that it was the Father who raised Christ from the dead. Keep these two things in mind: Christ was God-dependent, and He was dependent on the Father for the resurrection.

Do you know what the Father did on the cross? Christ cried out: “Father, Father why have you forsaken me?” What He meant is not “Why are you leaving me for three days?” but, “Why have You abandoned Me?” Do you know what that meant to Christ? It meant that the hope of the resurrection went with that abandonment.

As He hung on the cross experiencing God’s curse for our sins, Jesus had to make a choice. He could not save Himself and the world at the same time. And He did make the supreme choice. He chose to die eternally that you and I may live in His place. “But God demonstrated His love that while we were still sinners Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8).

In other words, the supreme sacrifice is that Jesus was willing to accept our curse and give us His life in exchange. It was not a question of saving Himself (hence self-seeking) and the human race. He could not do that. He had to make a choice between the human race and Himself. Do you know what Christ was saying on the cross? I hope you will never forget this; He was saying that He loves us more than Himself. That is God’s agape!

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