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yeshuasavedme said:

Yes. It is God's land, and He has given the Title Deed to the seed of Jacob, forever, and even though He scattered them for not knowing their Messiah in His times, He is bringing them back to reveal Himself to Them and cleanse His people and establish Israel as the Capital City of the world, for the Millennial reign, and the borders God promised to them forever go all the way over to the Euphrates and to the Mediterranean Sea and up into Labanon and over to the Nile River and down into the Arabian Peninsula.




Soon and very soon, the Church is removed form the midst of the earth, and through many troubles, God will bring Israel back to Himself and they will know their Messiah. Those who try to divide His land and His city will know His wrath.
First on the list of destroyed peoples around Israel who come against Israel to seek to make her cease from being a nation are listed in Psalm 83.


Psalm 83
Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.
2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;
8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.
9 Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison:
10 Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth.
11 Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:
12 Who said, Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession.
13 O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind.
14 As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire;
15 So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.
16 Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O Lord.
17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish:
18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is YHWH , art the most high over all the earth.

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ebedmelech said:

God is not doing land covenants anymore. That ended with Christ. Get a grip and realize the "Promised Land" is in "THE PROMISE"...The promise is Jesus Christ.

ALL LAND DEALS ABOLISHED! Next stop...The New Heaven and earth!

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Ezekiel 36

Also, thou son of man, prophesy unto the mountains of Israel, and say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord:
2 Thus saith the Lord God; Because the enemy hath said against you, Aha, even the ancient high places are ours in possession:
3 Therefore prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Because they have made you desolate, and swallowed you up on every side, that ye might be a possession unto the residue of the heathen, and ye are taken up in the lips of talkers, and are an infamy of the people:
4 Therefore, ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord God; Thus saith the Lord God to the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys, to the desolate wastes, and to the cities that are forsaken, which became a prey and derision to the residue of the heathen that are round about;


5 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all Idumea, which have appointed my land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey.

6 Prophesy therefore concerning the land of Israel, and say unto the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I have spoken in my jealousy and in my fury, because ye have borne the shame of the heathen:

7 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; I have lifted up mine hand, Surely the heathen that are about you, they shall bear their shame.
8 But ye, O mountains of Israel, ye shall shoot forth your branches, and yield your fruit to my people of Israel; for they are at hand to come.
9 For, behold, I am for you, and I will turn unto you, and ye shall be tilled and sown:
10 And I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of it: and the cities shall be inhabited, and the wastes shall be builded:
11 And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better unto you than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
12 Yea, I will cause men to walk upon you, even my people Israel; and they shall possess thee, and thou shalt be their inheritance, and thou shalt no more henceforth bereave them of men.
13 Thus saith the Lord God; Because they say unto you, Thou land devourest up men, and hast bereaved thy nations:
14 Therefore thou shalt devour men no more, neither bereave thy nations any more, saith the Lord God.
15 Neither will I cause men to hear in thee the shame of the heathen any more, neither shalt thou bear the reproach of the people any more, neither shalt thou cause thy nations to fall any more, saith the Lord God.
16 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
17 Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.
18 Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it:
19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.
20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the Lord, and are gone forth out of his land.


21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went.
22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
30 And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.
31 Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
32 Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord God, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.
33 Thus saith the Lord God; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded.
34 And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by.
35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.
36 Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the Lord build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the Lord have spoken it, and I will do it.
37 Thus saith the Lord God; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock.
38 As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the Lord.

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ebedmelech said:

God is not doing land covenants anymore. That ended with Christ. Get a grip and realize the "Promised Land" is in "THE PROMISE"...The promise is Jesus Christ.

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random person said:

There is only ONE HOPE for Jew and Gentile (Eph 4:4); One FOLD of Jew and Gentile (John 10:16); One CHURCH (Acts 2:47, 16:18); One BODY (Rom 12:5; 1Cor 12:12-13); One FAMILY in heaven and earth (Eph 3:14-15), One LORD (Eph 4:5); One FAITH (Eph 4:5); One BAPTISM (Eph 4:5); and One INHERITANCE FOR BOTH JEW AND GENTILE (Acts 26:18; Eph 1:11, 5:5; Gal 3:18).

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random person said in post 773:

Since when has God ever promised an Aliyah to the Jews in order to gather them together for their mutual destruction?

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yeshuasavedme said in post 779:

First on the list of destroyed peoples around Israel who come against Israel to seek to make her cease from being a nation are listed in Psalm 83.

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L0U said:

Originally Posted by random person

There is only ONE HOPE for Jew and Gentile (Eph 4:4); One FOLD of Jew and Gentile (John 10:16); One CHURCH (Acts 2:47, 16:18); One BODY (Rom 12:5; 1Cor 12:12-13); One FAMILY in heaven and earth (Eph 3:14-15), One LORD (Eph 4:5); One FAITH (Eph 4:5); One BAPTISM (Eph 4:5); and One INHERITANCE FOR BOTH JEW AND GENTILE (Acts 26:18; Eph 1:11, 5:5; Gal 3:18).
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Amen!

"No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."
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L0U said:

And.....:

"All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."
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Nothing happens unless He allows it.

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iamlamad said:

Signified...symbolized WRONG!
Notice how this same Greek word was used elsewhere:

Jhn 12:33
This he said, signifying G4591 what death he should die.​

Just literal SPEECH

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Jhn 18:32
That the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying G4591 what death he should die.​

just literal SPEECH

Jhn 21:19
This spake he, signifying G4591 by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.​

Just literal SPEECH

Act 11:28
And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified G4591 by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.​

Undoubtedly again SPEECH, even if Prophetic speech

Act 25:27
For it seemeth to me unreasonable to send a prisoner, and not withal to signify G4591 the crimes laid against him.​

How about "let it be known?" Was it written down or spoken?

To be sure, SOME of Revelation is symbols but NOT ALL. Does it make sense in the literal sense? Then take it as LITERAL, or you end up with nonsense....exactly what we see a plethora of here on this forum.

Rev 10
5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

This is VERY LITERAL. NO symbolism here at all.

Did John literally "eat" the book while seeing these visions? Why not? I think he did.

11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

WHY take this anyway other than literal when it makes perfect sense in its literal sense? John is told to measure the temple. Why is it hard for you to believe this is literal? The timing here is the midpoint of the week. It is my guess at WHEN this time comes, THEN John will be told to measure the real temple that will exist at that time.

11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days

They are not here now, but they WILL be. They will show up as soon as the man of sin enters Jerusalem just before the midpoint.

Sorry friend, but it is a HUGE mistake to take away the literal sense and make it nonsense.

LAMAD

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shturt678s said:

Jn.12:33, "he was saying, signifying" You're saying this is just John's own literal rendering of his own thoughts where "signifying" refers to what John is just saying, ie, "what death he should die"? I just want to be sure. Then we can eyeball Jn.18:32, etcs.



Caring Lamad, ie, thank you again

Jack

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Bible2 said:

Matthew 24:34 could mean that the temporal generation which would see the 1948 AD reestablishment of Israel, which could be symbolized by the rebudding of the fig tree (Matthew 24:32-34, Hosea 9:10, Joel 1:6-7, Luke 13:6-9, Matthew 21:19,43), won't pass, i.e. won't die off completely, until the future tribulation and 2nd coming of Matthew 24 and Revelation chapters 6 to 19 are fulfilled. A temporal generation may not pass until 70 or 80 years (Psalms 90:10), or 120 years (Genesis 6:3).

The rebudding of the fig tree (Matthew 24:32) can refer to the 1948 reestablishment of Israel, just as Jesus' cursing of the fig tree (Matthew 21:19) was symbolic of his curse on unbelieving, Old Covenant Israel (Matthew 21:43). The Israel that was reestablished in 1948 is the same Old Covenant Israel that Jesus cursed at his first coming. For it still rejects Jesus and still considers itself to be under the Old Covenant. This Israel merely "putting forth leaves" again (Matthew 24:32) in 1948 was nothing more than a restoration to what the fig tree in Matthew 21:19,43 had been before it was cursed forever by Jesus and then destroyed in 70 AD: a tree with leaves, but without any fruit. And the unbelieving, Old Covenant Israel that was reestablished in 1948 may never bear fruit. For it could be destroyed before Jesus' 2nd coming, during a future war, by a Baathist army, just as it had been destroyed in 70 AD by a Roman-empire army.

One way the future war could happen is the U.S. could build up the Iraqi Army until it's huge enough and well-equipped enough to serve as a proxy army, for the U.S. and Israel, for an all-out ground invasion of Iran, in order to end Iran's nuclear weapons program and extremist regime. As part of the buildup of the Iraqi Army, the U.S. could reinstall some of the former Baathist military hierarchy to run the Iraqi Army more efficiently and ruthlessly. And if the current Shiite-dominated government of Iraq balks at any invasion of fellow-Shiite Iran, this could lead the CIA, the Mossad, and possibly also (Sunni Arab) Saudi Intelligence, to bring about a Baathist coup d'etat in Iraq. For all 3 of these intelligence agencies would love for Iraq to attack their common mortal foe Iran, and the Iraqi Baathists could agree to do this, for they see non-Arab Iran as a great enemy of Arab autonomy.

To help get the Iraqi masses and the world behind the idea of an all-out Iraqi invasion of Iran, false-flag operations could be managed by the CIA and the Mossad by which it will be made to seem that (non-Arab, Persian) Iran is attacking the Iraqi Sunni Arabs and their little children terroristically with "dirty bombs" made from Iranian-enriched uranium, so that the Iraqi Arab masses will become enraged and begin to call for all-out retaliation against (what they could call) "the vile Persians". And the world could see an Iraqi invasion of Iran as being completely justified by self-defense.

But then, right when Iraq is all ready to invade Iran, the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel (who by that time could be led by a great miracle-working false Messiah: cf. Matthew 24:24) could destroy the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque (the 3rd-holiest sites in Islam) on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, to prepare the site for the building of a 3rd Jewish temple (Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36; 2 Thessalonians 2:4). This could so enrage Muslims worldwide, including the (Muslim) Iraqi Army, that the Iraqi Baathist Generals could see it as a perfect excuse to abandon the plan to invade huge Iran, and instead (pretending that they're doing so in the name of Islam) turn and send their vast army against the little territory of Israel, completely defeating it (Daniel 11:15-17; in verse 17, the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath").

But this wouldn't be the ultimate reason for the Baathist attack, which could continue on south to also defeat and occupy Egypt (Daniel 11:15). For Egypt is ruled by the U.S.-supported Egyptian Army, which the Baathists could see as being a puppet of the U.S., just as they could see Israel as being a colony of the U.S. Baathism's ultimate aim is to unite all Arab lands from Oman to Morocco into one massive, powerful United Arab States free of all foreign hegemony.

The all-out Iraqi attack on Israel could be joined by the entire (Baathist) Syrian Army (with all of its missiles, many tipped with nerve agents), as well as by all of Iran's long-range missiles and all of Hezbollah's and Hamas' missiles and guerrillas. Israel could find itself suddenly attacked from 3 directions at the same time, with tens of thousands of missiles raining down on its cities and military bases, and tens of thousands of Iraqi tanks (meant to defeat and occupy huge Iran) pouring across its borders. As Israel starts to see its little sliver of land completely overrun, and sees that its total defeat is imminent and assured, in retaliation it could drop nuclear bombs on Baghdad, Damascus (Isaiah 17:1), Tehran, and other major cities of Iraq, Syria, and Iran.

There could be so many nuclear explosions sending so much radioactive dust and ash so high into the atmosphere that it could be blown eastward and fall on hugely-populated South Asia, ruining so many crop fields and immune systems there with radiation that 1/4 of the world's population could end up dying from the war and its aftermath of famines and epidemics. This could fulfill the horrible war which will begin the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, which war will, with its aftermath of famines and epidemics, end up killing 1/4 of the world (Revelation 6:4-8). The "great sword" of this war (Revelation 6:4) could be Israel's nuclear weapons. This war could be blamed not only on the religious fundamentalism of Islam and Judaism, but also on religious fundamentalism in general, and so could lead to a worldwide crusade against all forms of religious fundamentalism, including Christian fundamentalism, i.e. the (correct) idea that the Bible is wholly true (2 Timothy 3:16, Matthew 4:4) and that all other religions are cursed (Galatians 1:8-9, John 14:6, John 3:36, Acts 4:12).

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iamlamad said:

New International Version
He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die.

New Living Translation
He said this to indicate how he was going to die.

Webster's Bible Translation
(This he said, signifying what death he should die.)

Remember, John wrote as he was INSPIRED by the Holy Spirit. So these words were given by the Holy Spirit for John to write. Jesus said His words to indicate to those who heard Him (and those who read later) HOW He was to die. It was WORDs, not symbols, yet the KJV chose to use the word "signifying" in Rev. There is no secret code wrapped up in this word!

Jack, there is no reason to make this complicated! I think you OVER-THINK many scriptures. Much of the New Testament is written so a child can understand. Grownups often make it far more complicated than it is.

LAMAD

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iamlamad said:

WRONG! There will be some (very few) that survive the days of Great tribulation coming, and survive the trumpet and vials. They will be the sheep at the judgment of the nations, and the JEWS that turn to Jesus at the end.

They will be allowed into the millennial reign of Christ and "inherit the earth."

LAMAD

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