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as the title suggests, I would like to ask the question of why you think that god=good and the devil=bad and the bible=truth.
now from what I think I know about the devil is that he is/was a fallen angel (I don't know whether this holds true in the Christian religion) who is trying to "overrule" god (still I don't know if this is true in Christianity).
from the bible
put simply the story of god and the devil in genesis is this...
god created the universe. god created man/woman with free will. god put man/woman in a garden. god put a lovely looking tree bam smack in da' centre of the garden that man/woman were NOT meant to eat from.
even from the last paragraph you can see that something fishy is going on here... this is almost exactly like leaving two kids in a room with a knife in the centre and expecting them not to touch it...
a snake just goes into the garden and tells eve to eat from the tree, and she did. looking back over the start of the bible I can see no mention of the "devil" anywhere here but please correct me if I'm wrong. because it does not say it was the devil in disguise it would not be irrational to assume that it could be god in disguise. god comes "down" from wherever and starts looking for the 2 (naked!) people. god punishes man/woman for following orders that he knew they were going to take without question and made the choice not help out the ones he "infinity loved". and don't say it would have interfered with free-will, because it would not if he still let them have a choice of whether to follow his orders or not.
god kicks out man/woman. god gets flaming sword to defend the tree of life.
from this we can assume the following...
1) god created universe
2) god make stupid people
3) a snake made them smart
4) god is very trigger happy when it comes to punishment
5) [insert atheist joke about god looking for naked people here]
all that being said how do we know that the bible is accurate? I mean it's all well and good doing the "bible wheel" (the bible was written by god-->it says it was written by god in the bible-->god is omnipotent-->see step 1) but using that basicly means that I can say "I am omnipotent" and using that wheel I am unfalsifiable.
another way you could say that you know that the bible is correct is because lots of people think it is. now lots of kids (younger than myself I might add) that Santa and the tooth fairy are both real. and it even goes to common mis-conception, I mean how many times has someone said "I'm just going to hoover the house." this makes no sense because that would mean that the brand "hoover" = vacuum cleaner (and it doesn't BTW
). you also have to consider that for a statement to make sense one (of the potentially many) opposites MUST be true, for example: 1+1=2 one opposite 1-1=/2 (=/ means not equal to) makes sense however the only opposite to "many people think it's true so it's true" is "not many people think it's true so it's false" and that.... just doesn't make ANY sense
another way you could say it's correct is that "you feel it when you pray". now, have you ever considered that humans possess the ability to control what we are feeling to a certain extent? source youtube /watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gPBzanM7wU0#t=134 skip to 2:15 if your browser does not do it for you (please remove the space from the web address my post count is <50 so the spam bot filter won't let me post links or pictures or PMs)
also you must know that text does get re-written and changed over time (the original scripts can't last forever right? (well... unless they were carved into diamond.... you know... just so the god can get his word across unlike those "fake religions") so it would not be unreasonable to think that (from he amount of times the devil appears in the bible) someone over the years wrote a few words wrong that lead to other people to misinterpret it and maybe get the completely wrong message.
so all that being said how can you be sure that what you are following is correct and (I think more importantly) are you receiving the original message? or are you just believing what you are hearing because that's what everyone else does and you accept their judgement with seeing if it makes sense to you?
PS: I am 14 years old so i probably have missed A LOT out of my argument. I would just like to see you peoples response to it also I would like to note that I am currently in the possess of reading the bible and I've got up to the end on genesis at the moment
as the title suggests, I would like to ask the question of why you think that god=good and the devil=bad and the bible=truth.
now from what I think I know about the devil is that he is/was a fallen angel (I don't know whether this holds true in the Christian religion) who is trying to "overrule" god (still I don't know if this is true in Christianity).
from the bible
put simply the story of god and the devil in genesis is this...
god created the universe. god created man/woman with free will. god put man/woman in a garden. god put a lovely looking tree bam smack in da' centre of the garden that man/woman were NOT meant to eat from.
even from the last paragraph you can see that something fishy is going on here... this is almost exactly like leaving two kids in a room with a knife in the centre and expecting them not to touch it...
a snake just goes into the garden and tells eve to eat from the tree, and she did. looking back over the start of the bible I can see no mention of the "devil" anywhere here but please correct me if I'm wrong. because it does not say it was the devil in disguise it would not be irrational to assume that it could be god in disguise. god comes "down" from wherever and starts looking for the 2 (naked!) people. god punishes man/woman for following orders that he knew they were going to take without question and made the choice not help out the ones he "infinity loved". and don't say it would have interfered with free-will, because it would not if he still let them have a choice of whether to follow his orders or not.
god kicks out man/woman. god gets flaming sword to defend the tree of life.
from this we can assume the following...
1) god created universe
2) god make stupid people
3) a snake made them smart
4) god is very trigger happy when it comes to punishment
5) [insert atheist joke about god looking for naked people here]
all that being said how do we know that the bible is accurate? I mean it's all well and good doing the "bible wheel" (the bible was written by god-->it says it was written by god in the bible-->god is omnipotent-->see step 1) but using that basicly means that I can say "I am omnipotent" and using that wheel I am unfalsifiable.
another way you could say that you know that the bible is correct is because lots of people think it is. now lots of kids (younger than myself I might add) that Santa and the tooth fairy are both real. and it even goes to common mis-conception, I mean how many times has someone said "I'm just going to hoover the house." this makes no sense because that would mean that the brand "hoover" = vacuum cleaner (and it doesn't BTW
). you also have to consider that for a statement to make sense one (of the potentially many) opposites MUST be true, for example: 1+1=2 one opposite 1-1=/2 (=/ means not equal to) makes sense however the only opposite to "many people think it's true so it's true" is "not many people think it's true so it's false" and that.... just doesn't make ANY sense another way you could say it's correct is that "you feel it when you pray". now, have you ever considered that humans possess the ability to control what we are feeling to a certain extent? source youtube /watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gPBzanM7wU0#t=134 skip to 2:15 if your browser does not do it for you (please remove the space from the web address my post count is <50 so the spam bot filter won't let me post links or pictures or PMs)
also you must know that text does get re-written and changed over time (the original scripts can't last forever right? (well... unless they were carved into diamond.... you know... just so the god can get his word across unlike those "fake religions") so it would not be unreasonable to think that (from he amount of times the devil appears in the bible) someone over the years wrote a few words wrong that lead to other people to misinterpret it and maybe get the completely wrong message.
so all that being said how can you be sure that what you are following is correct and (I think more importantly) are you receiving the original message? or are you just believing what you are hearing because that's what everyone else does and you accept their judgement with seeing if it makes sense to you?
PS: I am 14 years old so i probably have missed A LOT out of my argument. I would just like to see you peoples response to it
also I would like to note that I am currently in the possess of reading the bible and I've got up to the end on genesis at the moment
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