What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments??

Sophrosyne said:

I was talking about them gathering mana twice as much one day so they would have some for the Sabbath day

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Oh, okay. Hey, there was a learning curve involved, evidence that the periodic sabbath was something they had never known before. Maybe we would have been more lenient than God was with the children of Israel, but that's because we share their limitations with a fallen human nature. That was something the Law was designed to expose. Overall, I doubt there would have been any substantial impact on history had the children of Israel caught onto the concept of 'sabbath=no food' right away.

squint said:

Look, everyone deals with temptation. Whether a person believes or not is irrelevant. Paul showed us all he had temptation in his flesh and that his mind had every manner of concupiscence within, meaning 'sexual' temptations.

Temptation is of the tempter, transpires within and is so prompted by SATAN, the tempter resisting Gods Words. Particularly Gods Commandments.

Sin is in fact 'of the devil.' No man will ever be legally obedient because of the presence of the TEMPTER.

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During the Millennium Satan will be locked up and denied access to the earth.


Yet, even though the earth will be rid of Satan for that given time? There will still be a need for a ruling iron scepter of the Lord to smash the rebellious ones.


Man does not need Satan to be tempted and to sin. Man has a sin nature that does a good enough job of it on its own. What Satan does is to organize and justify man's sinfulness. Satan by means of lies gives sinning purpose through the lies he creates to justify sinning.

Man needs Satan to get them organized as a means to form into an army which will crusade to justify their sins. Kind of like what we see with the pro-gay movement today. That is Satan inspired. What should be shameful, he tells us should be glorified and respected.

genez said:

During the Millennium Satan will be locked up and denied access to the earth.

Revelation 20:1-3

And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss
and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent,
who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him
into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving
the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must
be set free for a short time.



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Yet, even though the earth will be rid of Satan for that given time? There will still be a need for a ruling iron scepter of the Lord to smash the rebellious ones.

Revelation 2:26-27


To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the
nations— that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to
pieces like pottery’—just as I have received authority from my Father.


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Man does not need Satan to be tempted and to sin. Man has a sin nature that does a good enough job of it on its own. What Satan does is to organize and justify man's sinfulness. Satan by means of lies gives sinning purpose through the lies he creates to justify sinning.

Man needs Satan to get them organized as a means to form into an army which will crusade to justify their sins. Kind of like what we see with the pro-gay movement today. That is Satan inspired. What should be shameful, he tells us should be glorified and respected.

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One small little problem, ie, Satan is in hell at this moment, and has been since the Cross (Rev.12:7, etc.; Rev.20:2). At the Cross the 1,000 years began. He is forced to work through his agancies, ie, the beast and antichrist until loosed soon at Rev.20:7, ie, Nowism.

Jack - we are in the end time of the Jesuit "Millennial" where most looking forward to it, ie, astonishing to say the least, eg, IIThess.2:10b occuring this very moment.

shturt678s said:

One small little problem, ie, Satan is in hell at this moment, and has been since the Cross (Rev.12:7, etc.; Rev.20:2). At the Cross the 1,000 years began. He is forced to work through his agancies, ie, the beast and antichrist until loosed soon at Rev.20:7, ie, Nowism.

Jack - we are in the end time of the Jesuit "Millennial" where most looking forward to it, ie, astonishing to say the least, eg, IIThess.2:10b occuring this very moment.

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You're entitled to think like that. Satan applauds you. But, on second thought.. maybe not. You're not convincing enough.
That is a inane idea you have. But, you are entitled.

Should I argue with you? How does one argue against the inane? When thinking the inane reveals a lack of capacity for the truth? So? Have fun picking your toes. Just don't ask me if they are clean, or not.

Revelation is about something you really do not care to know the truth about. You evidently only care to know how to obscure what the truth is about.

But, you're entitled to try. What you gain from it? Loss. Big loss. You can not win. You can only get others to join you in your loss.


Have a nice Day.

genez said:

You're entitled to think like that. Satan applauds you. But, on second thought.. maybe not. You're not convincing enough.
That is a inane idea you have. But, you are entitled.

Should I argue with you? How does one argue against the inane? When thinking the inane reveals a lack of capacity for the truth? So? Have fun picking your toes. Just don't ask me if they are clean, or not.

Revelation is about something you really do not care to know the truth about. You evidently only care to know how to obscure what the truth is about.

But, you're entitled to try. What you gain from it? Loss. Big loss. You can not win. You can only get others to join you in your loss.


Have a nice Day.

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About two thirds of Christianity espouse to "Amillennial," eg, Catholics, Reformed, and Lutherans, thus this one time I'm in the majority as usually in the minority. However I'm in the minority regarding the interpretation of our Amillennial view.

Old Jack, ie, Nowist where Satan is about to be loosed, ie, Rev.20:7

shturt678s said:

About two thirds of Christianity espouse to "Amillennial," eg, Catholics, Reformed, and Lutherans, thus this one time I'm in the majority as usually in the minority. However I'm in the minority regarding the interpretation of our Amillennial view.

Old Jack, ie, Nowist where Satan is about to be loosed, ie, Rev.20:7

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Have a nice Day.

shturt678s said:

One small little problem, ie, Satan is in hell at this moment, and has been since the Cross (Rev.12:7, etc.; Rev.20:2). At the Cross the 1,000 years began. He is forced to work through his agancies, ie, the beast and antichrist until loosed soon at Rev.20:7, ie, Nowism.

Jack - we are in the end time of the Jesuit "Millennial" where most looking forward to it, ie, astonishing to say the least, eg, IIThess.2:10b occuring this very moment.

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I don't recall the history books recording the 1000 year reign of Christ. Which if it occurred as you say, would have ended roughly 1000 years ago. Why is there still sin, evil and death in the world.

You may want to check out the last verse of revelations.

genez said:

During the Millennium Satan will be locked up and denied access to the earth.

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I'd prefer not to discuss eschatology. Deep subject.

Needless to say that Satan is currently operating, is moved into action via the LAW and is in the MIND of people. Therefore an 'overlap.'

Man does not need Satan to be tempted and to sin. Man has a sin nature that does a good enough job of it on its own. What Satan does is to organize and justify man's sinfulness. Satan by means of lies gives sinning purpose through the lies he creates to justify sinning.

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Word moves satan to action. Evil thoughts are defiling. Defiling is sin. Sin is of the devil. The math is unavoidable.

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genez said:

Have a nice Day.

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mathetes123 said:

I don't recall the history books recording the 1000 year reign of Christ. Which if it occurred as you say, would have ended roughly 1000 years ago. Why is there still sin, evil and death in the world.

You may want to check out the last verse of revelations.

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I'll check it out.

Nowist Jack

genez said:

Yes... Satan is external.

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Uh, no. Satan and mankind are clearly overlapped in the flesh body as shown by thousands of examples in the N.T.

Just like when you speak to someone and your words enter his mind, in the spiritual realm, fallen angels can speak to your mind on a different level than through the ears. Thoughts can enter your mind.

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Read Matt. 13, Mark 4, Luke 8.

Satan enters heart/mind where the Word is sown. Satan is internal and is the tempter within the mind. External is just Satan's attempt at isolating readers from dealing with the obvious connection.

That is why we are commanded to cast down all vain imaginings. Of course, there is no need to tell you where that is written. You know the passage I speak of.

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Paul had indwelling sin that he described as not I. He had evil defiling thoughts. He had temptation in his flesh. He had a devil in his flesh. He was the chief of sinners after salvation. There is much more to see IF you understand that the spirit of slumber is placed upon the MIND.

Not external, but TWO VESSELS in one lump of MAN.

And, how do you get your negative bitterness way of thinking?

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I'm not much interested in pasting myself with rosy fantasies.

I LIVE by every Word of God. Even the BAD ONES that I don't care for. Wanna go there?

I doubt it.

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squint said:

I'd prefer not to discuss eschatology. Deep subject.

Needless to say that Satan is currently operating, is moved into action via the LAW and is in the MIND of people. Therefore an 'overlap.'



Word moves satan to action. Evil thoughts are defiling. Defiling is sin. Sin is of the devil. The math is unavoidable.

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You failed to differentiate the differences between sin and evil. Jesus died for our sins. He did not die for evil.

Deep subject. So, I guess you prefer not to discuss. Sin and evil are not the same...though evil will promote sin, its not sin. Its something much deeper than sin. Sin could be paid for on the Cross. Evil was not.

genez said:

You failed to differentiate the differences between sin and evil.

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There isn't much difference is there? I take it as a given that sin is evil.

Evil thoughts are what? Yeah, evil. And evil thoughts defile a man.

Jesus died for our sins. He did not die for evil.

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I agree! Chalk one up for mutual agreement.

Deep subject. So, I guess you prefer not to discuss. Sin and evil are not the same...

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You wouldn't be the first guy to try to divide sin from evil from iniquity from wickedness from whatever falls short of the Glory of God.

To me such distinctions are only excuses for the obvious shortcomings. It's all the same animal regardless.

though evil will promote sin, its not sin. Its something much deeper than sin. Sin could be paid for on the Cross. Evil was not.

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Not all that interested in 'excuses' on the basis that "I'm a believer." That is the path of hypocrisy.

I have no excuses. How 'bout U?

Do you really want to excuse the tempter? Or DAMN him? Even if that working 'overlaps' us all?

Denial just ain't in the bag of honesty. It's one thing to blame ourselves. It's quite another to acknowledge that we are factually pawned of SATAN.

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squint said:

Not all that interested in 'excuses' on the basis that "I'm a believer." That is the path of hypocrisy.

I have no excuses. How 'bout U?

Do you really want to excuse the tempter? Or DAMN him? Even if that working 'overlaps' us all?

Denial just ain't in the bag of honesty. It's one thing to blame ourselves. It's quite another to acknowledge that we are factually pawned of SATAN.

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You were doing fine until you got there. Then you went off on a tangent comparable to incoherence. Its like someone hit a button a pre-recorded response came out that has no connection to what you were supposed to responding to. Its as if..... "you are avoiding the subject." (which you are)

genez said:

You were doing fine until you got there. Then you went off on a tangent comparable to incoherence.

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I have no issues saying as a fact that 'my sin' is in fact of the devil.

You call that incoherence? I call not making that connection denial of the obvious.

Its like someone hit a button a pre-recorded response came out that has no connection to what you were supposed to responding to. Its as if..... "you are avoiding the subject." (which you are)

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I understand it is distasteful to christians to admit they sin and that 'our sin' is in fact of the devil.

To me lying is not profitable. Nor is dodging the fact.

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squint said:

I have no issues saying as a fact that 'my sin' is in fact of the devil.

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Define that. The devil made you do it? What do you mean?

I understand it is distasteful to christians to admit they sin and that 'our sin' is in fact of the devil.

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That's not my problem. Sin is distasteful no matter its source.

I just do not know with certainty what you mean by that. Now, what do you mean when you say..."sin is of the devil." Without defining it, you remain standing before me speaking with a strange form of ambiguous dogmatism.

genez said:

Define that. The devil made you do it? What do you mean?

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Don't Flip Wilson on me. The devil is fully implicated in our sin.

Who then sinned. Just you? No.

That's not my problem. Sin is distasteful no matter its source.

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There is no reason for me to dodge the obvious. Satan is prompted to RESIST the Word of God 'in man.' Sin is of the devil no matter how you want to slice it. Blaming man alone is merely another action of Satan 'in man.'

I just do not know with certainty what you mean by that. Now, what do you mean when you say..."sin is of the devil."

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1 John 3:8

Without defining it, you remain standing before me speaking with a strange form of ambiguous dogmatism.

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You are welcome to spin these matters up however you think. I understand that there is a principle of DENIAL that is involved in these matters that is 'automatic' and is denial of connecting our sin to the devil. I blame no 'believer' for not making the connection of 'our sin' to the devil.

Nothing I see or say is to your detriment as a believer. Everything I see is a detriment to SATAN.

Believers will proclaim to their dying breath that they are immune from Satan within. I do not blame them for such blindness.

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squint said:

Don't Flip Wilson on me. The devil is fully implicated in our sin.

Who then sinned. Just you? No.

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So you are saying... "The devil made us do it?"

There is no reason for me to dodge the obvious. Satan is prompted to RESIST the Word of God 'in man.' Sin is of the devil no matter how you want to slice it. Blaming man alone is merely another action of Satan 'in man.'


1 John 3:8

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That does not mean the devil is a partaker with us in our sin. That means when we sin, we are walking in the devil's image. Just, as when we are walking in the Spirit's power and truth that we are walking in God's image. Which family resemblance we take on, will depend upon how we choose in the face of temptation.

Come back... you have wandered too far.

genez said:

So you are saying... "The devil made us do it?"

The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.​

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That does not mean the devil is a partaker with us in our sin.

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Read the obvious however you want to spin it.

squint said:

There is no disconnecting sin from the devil regardless of Flip Wilson.

[/indent]Read the obvious however you want to spin it.

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How can God forgive when you confess your sins to him (1 John 1:9) if what you say is truth? That would also have to mean that Jesus paid for the devil's sins, since you claim all sins are a team effort.