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The name is only on the heads.
The sea beast is not red or scarlet.
Actually the name on head is symbolism of how they think. It represents the mind or the "inner person".

Do you really expect Jesus to write his name on your forehead?
 
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The sea beast is not red or scarlet.

Revelation 13:1 Sea beast is the same as Rev. 17:3

Revelation 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
 
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John introduces new beasts/subjects with - a.

a beast /Rev. 13
a beast /Rev. 17
a great red dragon /Rev. 12


John did not call any of the beasts -great.

Think of them as opposite of the 1.Heavenly Father, 2. Son, 3. Holy Spirit. ( and 4. bride of the Lamb)

So Satan's would be...

1. Great Red dragon (father of this world)
2. Scarlet sea Beast (made in image of his father= doing lusts of his father)
3. Beast out of the earth= False prophet (spirit of antichrist)
4. Harlot
 
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Think of them as opposite of the 1.Heavenly Father, 2. Son, 3. Holy Spirit. ( and 4. bride of the Lamb)

So Satan's would be...

1. Great Red dragon (father of this world)
2. Scarlet sea Beast (made in image of his father= doing lusts of his father)
3. Beast out of the earth= False prophet (spirit of antichrist)
4. Harlot

So Antichrist's would be... and more to do with spiritual deceptions, and not disagreeing with you, ie, just intended to shed a little more light, ie, hopefully?

Jack
 
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So Antichrist's would be... and more to do with spiritual deceptions, and not disagreeing with you, ie, just intended to shed a little more light, ie, hopefully?

Jack

Yes, antichrist is a spirit but working in many false prophets, including Christianity.

Many people have been taught by carnally minded men that Antichrist is a man who is yet to come, and set up some new world order etc. But that is also a lie.

I just wrote a thread on it in CS, but I'll open a thread on it here as well with the link to it.

The truth about antichrist spirit is given to us in scripture, and scripture proves antichrist is a spirit working in many false prophets.
 
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Yes, antichrist is a spirit but working in many false prophets, including Christianity.

Many people have been taught by carnally minded men that Antichrist is a man who is yet to come, and set up some new world order etc. But that is also a lie.

I just wrote a thread on it in CS, but I'll open a thread on it here as well with the link to it.

The truth about antichrist spirit is given to us in scripture, and scripture proves antichrist is a spirit working in many false prophets.

You're going to have to reconcile the sequence of O anthrwpos at IIThess.2:3, ie, analogy of Scripture sir. Someone is at its head even back in John's time, ie, let alone in today's time. btw the antichrist that comes into dwell within is not the Antichrist himself at any given time, but the antichristian's power and propaganda, eg, IIThess.2:4 now, ie, this moment sir (Rev.13:14b & IIThess.2:10b.

Working with you,

Jack.
 
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You're going to have to reconcile the sequence of O anthrwpos at IIThess.2:3, ie, analogy of Scripture sir. Someone is at its head even back in John's time, ie, let alone in today's time. btw the antichrist that comes into dwell within is not the Antichrist himself at any given time, but the antichristian's power and propaganda, eg, IIThess.2:4 now, ie, this moment sir (Rev.13:14b & IIThess.2:10b.

Working with you,

Jack.

The falling away has been ongoing, just as that man of sin is now being revealed in all of mankind. Jesus said the last state of the man would be worse than the first, speaking of the Wicked generation (seed of evil doers)

And yes there is a head (that old serpent) just as his tail is the false prophet spirit. (spirit of antichrist, spirit of a lie)

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Isaiah 9:15 The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.

Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
 
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The falling away has been ongoing, just as that man of sin is now being revealed in all of mankind. Jesus said the last state of the man would be worse than the first, speaking of the Wicked generation (seed of evil doers)

And yes there is a head (that old serpent) just as his tail is the false prophet spirit. (spirit of antichrist, spirit of a lie)

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Isaiah 9:15 The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.

Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Satan is locked up in the abyss, ie, hell, and must work through his agencies, ie, the beasts in Rev.13 (antichristian power and propaganda). Satan will be loosed at Rev.20:7. The man at IIThess.2:3 has to be a sequence of men grammatically and contextually my friend.

Rev.12:12, "devil went down to you" has to be construed with Rev.20:2. Satan received a knockout blow from Michael at the Cross and cast into hell in person.

Jack
 
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Satan is locked up in the abyss, ie, hell, and must work through his agencies, ie, the beasts in Rev.13 (antichristian power and propaganda). Satan will be loosed at Rev.20:7. The man at IIThess.2:3 has to be a sequence of men grammatically and contextually my friend.

Rev.12:12, "devil went down to you" has to be construed with Rev.20:2. Satan received a knockout blow from Michael at the Cross and cast into hell in person.

Jack

Your gettin ahead of yourself, Satan is bound during the thousand year reign of Christ on earth (ain't happened yet)

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Satan is very active in this world right now. (turn on the news);)

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

When Christ returns with his army, first the beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire...

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

And then right after that, Satan is bound for 1,000 yrs.

Revelation 20:1-2

King James Version (KJV)

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
 
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Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Im not sure if lucifer will manifest physically, or incarnate in a human form or what, but I dont think he is here quite yet, at least I think.

Blessings from our Lord

Cheers
 
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Let's lay an objective corebase to build a coherent framework upon:

1) 1,000 years at Rev.20"2, etc. began exactly at the precious Cross, and end at Rev.20:7.

2) The 42 months began exactly at 70 A.D. per Lk.21:24, and ends at Rev.20:9, 10.

3) The N.T. Era began at Matt.26:28 and end at Rev.20:9, 10.

Now we're on the same page, ie, Satan in his person will be loosed at Rev.20:7.

Jack, and thank you folks
 
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Satan was cast out of heaven and down to the earth at the time of the cross.

Says who? Jesus Christ, that's who.:)


We also see confirmation of this casting out of Satan in Revelation 12:7-97 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

This confirms the casting out of Satan (prince of this world) and the place of their sanctuary also being cast down, as confirmed in the above verses in Daniel 8:11.

Jesus said in Luke 10:18 “And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” Jesus also said the Prince of this world is judged in John 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. And again in John 14:30 “Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.” And so again when is Satan judged, cast out of heaven, and when does he come to earth.

John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. (of heaven)

And when Jesus said now, he meant now! Not some 1,980 years or so later. Alright, we have scriptural proof to confirm this, and Jesus’ own testimony to confirm this, and now the apostles testimony of the coming of antichrist spirit.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Case closed....next!:wave:
 
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One more for good measure.:thumbsup:

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
 
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Satan was cast out of heaven and down to the earth at the time of the cross.

Says who? Jesus Christ, that's who.:)


We also see confirmation of this casting out of Satan in Revelation 12:7-97 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

This confirms the casting out of Satan (prince of this world) and the place of their sanctuary also being cast down, as confirmed in the above verses in Daniel 8:11.

Dan.8:11 refers to the "horn" and thus Antiochus.

Jesus said in Luke 10:18 “And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” Jesus also said the Prince of this world is judged in [URL="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?

This is the defeat of Satan at the last temptation, ie, and totally conquered at the Cross (Rev.12:7, etc.).

<snip> only for clarity

Case closed....next!:wave:

Jury hasn't return for a verdict yet,

Awaiting Jack ;)
 
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Dan.8:11 refers to the "horn" and thus Antiochus.



This is the defeat of Satan at the last temptation, ie, and totally conquered at the Cross (Rev.12:7, etc.).

<snip> only for clarity



Jury hasn't return for a verdict yet,

Awaiting Jack ;)

Personally I don't see how anyone could hold to the view that Satan has already been bound for a 1,000 years based on scripture, and based on just looking at all the wickedness going on in the world....which is soon to go into destruction. (as it was in the days of Sodom, and as it was in the days of Noah)

But to each his own Jack.:)
 
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