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xXChristPeripheralXx said:

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

So the "he" with two horns that speaks like a lamb is going to be the fallen ones taking on fleshly bodies?

I have Enoch1, and I dont find it personally to be inspired by God. Not that I dont believe an Enochian testimony doesnt exist, just that God hasnt put it on my heart that Enoch1 is inspired scripture.

Your thoughts?




I know there is going to be a fake Jesus they try to convince us with.

Jesus tells us this.

Mat_24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

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To give you something to relate to, :

The "deadly wound" happened here

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

SG9 said:

What do you suppose the "up and down in it" depicts in this verse?

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Master alchemist, he can run the timeline.

Luke 4:


5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

xXChristPeripheralXx said:

Is there supportive scripture for the head wound?

Like a parallel or something for this verse?

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

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Not sure. But we know at one point satan had access to the heaven of heavens, and could come and go. Then he was cast out by force by Michael and his angels. Generally in a war there are wounds. He had power taken away from him.

southcountry said:

Not sure. But we know at one point satan had access to the heaven of heavens, and could come and go. Then he was cast out by force by Michael and his angels. Generally in a war there are wounds. He had power taken away from him.

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Satan has never left the heaven of heavens nor been cast out. He appears regularly in the congregation of the sons of God, there, as the Accuser.

Satan will be cast out in the tribulation and work fast and furiously, knowing he has a short time left to gather all his food supply up to be his stores, for eternal feasting on them in the Lake of fire [his kingdom of darkness]; which food supply is the unrepentant human beings who believe and act upon his lies, and angels to tempt to fall for his lies, along with the demons who are his food supply forever in the Lake of fire; for the torment afflicted by the Satans on the above named subjects forever is their food and drink forever, as Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam, wrote.

Food for thought, Michael is one of 4 chief angels, represented as the four spirits of God. Also represented as on of the beasts under the throne ( foundations) which holds up creation ( the sea). The beasts have wheels which signify travel (motion) (

Enoch18
3I also beheld the four winds, which bear up the earth, and the firmament of heaven.

7I saw the path of the angels.
8I perceived at the extremity of the earth the firmament of heaven above it. Then I passed on towards the sout

Ezekiel 1:14
And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.

yeshuasavedme said:

Satan has never left the heaven of heavens nor been cast out. He appears regularly in the congregation of the sons of God, there, as the Accuser.

Satan will be cast out in the tribulation and work fast and furiously, knowing he has a short time left to gather all his food supply up to be his stores, for eternal feasting on them in the Lake of fire [his kingdom of darkness]; which food supply is the unrepentant human beings who believe and act upon his lies, and angels to tempt to fall for his lies, along with the demons who are his food supply forever in the Lake of fire; for the torment afflicted by the Satans on the above named subjects forever is their food and drink forever, as Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam, wrote.

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The lake of fire is an event scheduled towards the end, we are in the field now, after the harvest, the stubble shall be burned.



2Peter 3:7
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.


2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2Peter 3:12
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?



revelation 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 15:2
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

Revelation 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

xXChristPeripheralXx said:

So you think the war in heaven has taken place already?

I suppose Im a bit of a literalist regarding parallels.

Usually without a supporting parallel directly, I assume the prophecy is unfulfilled.

As you can obviously agree, all fulfilled prophecy is pretty literal once it happens..

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That war has already happened.

Revelation 12:




7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

xXChristPeripheralXx said:

So these verses below have already happened then correct?

1. Revelation 9:15-16 prophesies a war that will kill one-third part of men… This has not yet happened in all of history. It must be future.


2. Revelation 11:1-2 says that Jerusalem will be trodden down of the Gentiles for 42 months prior to the Second Coming…This didn’t happen in 70 AD. The Romans simply destroyed Jerusalem. There was no occupation.

3. Revelation 11:3-12 describes the ministry of two witnesses that will prophesy during the 1,260 days of the great tribulation. They will then be killed and three and one-half days later rise from the dead… Nothing like this happened in 70 AD.


Assuming chapter 12 comes after these verses, wouldnt the verses I provided need to happen first?

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Your looking for wars on earth. What did Jesus say?

Matthew24

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.










This does not describe a war, it is a plague dealt by one of the four angels. Does God allow this to happen? Did God create these horsemen? Yes. Hard to grapple with the idea,no?



15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

xXChristPeripheralXx said:

So these verses below have already happened then correct?

1. Revelation 9:15-16 prophesies a war that will kill one-third part of men… This has not yet happened in all of history. It must be future.


2. Revelation 11:1-2 says that Jerusalem will be trodden down of the Gentiles for 42 months prior to the Second Coming…This didn’t happen in 70 AD. The Romans simply destroyed Jerusalem. There was no occupation.

3. Revelation 11:3-12 describes the ministry of two witnesses that will prophesy during the 1,260 days of the great tribulation. They will then be killed and three and one-half days later rise from the dead… Nothing like this happened in 70 AD.


Assuming chapter 12 comes after these verses, wouldnt the verses I provided need to happen first?

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I still lack understanding. The key to chapter 11 is understanding this verse:

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

southcountry said:

I can not disagree, and to add some more food for thought to your idea, consider how the spirit of God (7churches) ended up here on this planet. ( Just my thought mind you)

Rev 12:
1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

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This is something that I have studied and have been sort of lacking a full understanding of it, and not as in the imagery depicted but as in how it pans out, in which dimension? I asked myself these questions and thousands of others and hence have determined that these verses, having more than one parallel, and here I only address one so to keep this thought, I believe that the prophets didn't understand exactly how future fulfillment's would pan out or even some know much about the visions they received.

The primary professions typically began with a "I saw or the Lord spoke to me, and so on, and the times that the Lord spoke they heard and might relate to the visions although not fully interpreting future parallel's. Knowing that prophecy fillings flip back and forth, I imagine the prophet's might not know whether it fulfills naturally or spiritually and this is why most of them spoke as they have, but there will be a door that opens the way to the mind of God, and we may have that same mind in us that was also in Christ Jesus.

The model idea in the first verse suggests to me that this is more like it illustrating the formation of the terrestrial body's in the physical heavens, which could be galaxies,perhaps? This is from my box of odd's and ends (IMO). Thanks

Oh yea, perhaps you all know this already, but I think that the moon clothed with the sun is a literal and physical event, for the clothes are the sun's reflected light, and the moon is seen as a single eye that shines the light from within, and the reflection in this phenomenon is a parallel to the spirit with a person, and that Light reflects in us and outwardly and through our single eye which is our spirit and in our mind. This just gave me the image of a cyclops, and perhaps the cyclops was some sort of a mythical being to mimic the image or in this context, the "reflection".

The moon is reflecting the light that "Comes" from the sun, and in this model we might even see a parallel of the Lord's Light upon the world, perhaps an image of the Next Arrival, Parousia? (to say this, the least of all) There's more, just no time to list it all. Thanks

SG9 said:

This is something that I have studied and have been sort of lacking a full understanding of it, and not as in the imagery depicted but as in how it pans out, in which dimension? I asked myself these questions and thousands of others and hence have determined that these verses, having more than one parallel, and here I only address one so to keep this thought, I believe that the prophets didn't understand exactly how future fulfillment's would pan out or even some know much about the visions they received.

The primary professions typically began with a "I saw or the Lord spoke to me, and so on, and the times that the Lord spoke they heard and might relate to the visions although not fully interpreting future parallel's. Knowing that prophecy fillings flip back and forth, I imagine the prophet's might not know whether it fulfills naturally or spiritually and this is why most of them spoke as they have, but there will be a door that opens the way to the mind of God, and we may have that same mind in us that was also in Christ Jesus.

The model idea in the first verse suggests to me that this is more like lt illustrating the formation of the terrestrial body's in the physical heavens, which could be galaxies,perhaps? This is from my box of odd's and ends (IMO). Thanks

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I can tell you exactly what Jesus spoke to me. Yes, I heard His voice and I heard His words. He was explaining chapter 12 to me, and said, "this chapter was me introducing John to the dragon and in particular what the dragon would do during the last half of the week. However, I chose to show John what the dragon did when I was born. The first 5 verses were a 'history lesson' for John.

The first five verses were Jesus describing in vision form how Satan tried to kill Jesus as a child.

I understand that when Jesus was born, the moon appeared right under the virgin's (VIRGO) feet. If you look at some online planetariums, you can see this. Also a garland of 12 stars (some are planets) around her head.

The woman fleeing into the wilderness will be those living in Judea fleeing when they see the abomination - doing exactly what Jesus told them to do. Therefore, 12:6 is a second or two after the abomination event.

The war in heaven will be right at the same time, both tied to the 7th trumpet sounding.

LAMAD

xXChristPeripheralXx said:

Lol, I think we are at an impasse pending further review..

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Chapter 11 is an amazing chapter; it took many months of the Holy Spirit teaching me before I began to understand.

We know from Paul that the man of sin must enter the temple and say, I AM GOD. Well, before he can enter the temple, he must first arrive in Jerusalem where the new temple will be built. Verses 1 & 2 show his arrival, probably with Muslim armies with him. He will arrive probably 3 1/2 days before the abomination, then his Muslim armies will trample the city for 42 months.

Verse three shows the two witnesses show up, probably seconds after the man of sin shows up. They arrive because he arrived. They will begin testifying 3 1/2 days before the abomination (which happens at the 7th trumpet sounding.)

Verses 4-13 are written as a parenthesis and not at all related to John's chronology. They begin 3 1/2 days before the midpoint, testify for 1260 days, which will take them to 3 1/2 days before the 7th vial that ends the week. They will lay dead for 3 1/2 days, then rise from the dead AT the 7th vial, when all the Old Testament saints rise. So verses 4-13 are a SIDE journey or rabbit trail ONLY for the two witnesses. Verse 14 and 15 are at the EXACT MIDPOINT of the week, and the 7th trumpet sounds in heaven to mark the abomination that divides the week, on earth. The rest of chapter 11 had no real bearing on chronology. There is prophecy of future events that do not really happen at the time of the 7th trumpet.

In 12:6 we see those living in Judea are fleeing, just as Jesus told them to do.

LAMAD

xXChristPeripheralXx said:

So these verses below have already happened then correct?

1. Revelation 9:15-16 prophesies a war that will kill one-third part of men… This has not yet happened in all of history. It must be future.


2. Revelation 11:1-2 says that Jerusalem will be trodden down of the Gentiles for 42 months prior to the Second Coming…This didn’t happen in 70 AD. The Romans simply destroyed Jerusalem. There was no occupation.

3. Revelation 11:3-12 describes the ministry of two witnesses that will prophesy during the 1,260 days of the great tribulation. They will then be killed and three and one-half days later rise from the dead… Nothing like this happened in 70 AD.


Assuming chapter 12 comes after these verses, wouldnt the verses I provided need to happen first?

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REvelation 12 is a MIDPOINT chapter and will not take place until the midpoint of the future 70th week of Daniel. Same with the 11th chapter.

LAMAD

southcountry said:

That war has already happened.

Revelation 12:




7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

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Sorry, wrong war. This war in chapter 12:7 will take place at the exact midpoint of the future 70th week. If you look in the first 5 verses, it speaks of the dragon taking 1/3 of the "stars" with him in his fall. THIS war took place before ADam. But the war starting in verse 7 will come at the sounding of the 7th trumpet that ENDS Adam's 6000 year lease on earth.

LAMAD