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The scriptures are God's word, and help us approach real life issues compassionately. Therefore, my understanding of climate science is that it is REAL, it is SERIOUS, and we are OBLIGATED to do what we can to wean our nations off coal, oil, and gas. It's that simple.

God controls the weather bro, dont buy to much stock into science, its a man made philosophy..

Remember, God controls the weather, not men..

BTW, do you guys really say "hogwash" in Australia?? I thought that was an American thing only lol..
 
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Lol, if your understanding of spiritual gifts isnt affirmed by scripture, well friend, I dont know what will.

I'm saying mine is, and yours isn't! PROVE from scripture that you have the right to 'discern' that climate change is an Anti-Christ plot! Go on! Where does the New Testament unpack your so called 'gift of discernment' to this point? It doesn't!

Regarding healing, enough people with the spirit can remove any sickness..
I've seen all sorts of horrors committed in the charismatic church, enough to wince at this kind of blind faith that is not biblically informed faith. I'm disgusted at some of the showmanship I've seen at so called 'healing conferences.' A friend of mine saw an old lady get up out of a wheelchair, and naturally the crowd went mental. When he asked her what had happened, the lovely old dear explained she had this really sore knee that couldn't get raised more than 'here' (about 20 cm off the ground) and now she could raise it another 10 cm! Woah! Big whoop-de-doo. The crowd thought they saw a paraplegic healed!

I havent had a single person in my current family get very sick or die, so ive not resorted to healing yet, but I have witnessed people speaking in tongues and its quite an experience!!!
I've seen people lose their faith over speaking in tongues when they realised it was their own psychological state. People who speak in tongues in France have 'French accentuated' tongues, and other people around the world speak completely different vowel and consonant sets depending on their language. In other words, it is a butchering of the language they speak, NOT some universal heavenly inspired 'gift.' People in other faiths also speak in 'tongues'. It's a fairly easy psychological state to induce. But hey, if you REALLY have the 'gift' of discernment, and you REALLY want to 'test' the tongues, just go and record it and get your top 10 'interpreters' to interpret it for you, independently of each other. Yeah, I'm sure you'll use your 'gift' of disernment on that project right away! :thumbsup:

But the Greek word is LANGUAGES! In cosmopolitan Corinth, Paul was merely asking that someone pray for an interpreter to be there and for the gift of being able to interpret clearly to people with different languages, just as we might pray that someone who speaks English to an English audience be able to speak their sermon clearly, as my pastor no doubt will in about an hour. (I'm about to go to church, where, fortunately, no one takes over the stage just to babble).


What did Jesus say??
Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

No, he didn't say BELIEVETH, that's an archaic English-ism for people who think the KJV is a superior version and think talking silly is somehow more 'godly'. The KJV used some of the worst Greek manuscripts we have, and they were produced by a humanist who often guessed at the Greek by back translating from the Latin! We now have far better.
Why Does the King James Bible Have Some Different Verses Than Modern Translations? – Justin Taylor

Regarding your actual point, I can only think that this verse refers to the sheer number of people converted. For are you blasphemous enough to think that we are going to do better actual 'works' than Jesus death and resurrection, that even the angels still wonder at?

Everything Christ did, we are capable of, but peoples lack of faith blocks this..
Yeah, sure, I'm going to die for your sins and raise to new life and save the world and then, just like some ascended mormon 'god', go off and create a whole new world! SURE we are capable of doing everything Christ did, including making the world! :doh: :confused: :doh: :confused:

Study these verses again, surely you can pinpoint your gift.
Study these verses again, and justify your understanding of these gifts.

My mothers gift is Faith.
My wifes gift is Giving.
My gift is discernment.
My Pastors gift is teacher.
Is prophecy different to declaring the gospel message that if people don't repent and turn to Christ, they'll end up separated from Him for all eternity? Is prophecy different to words of knowledge? Where does the New Testament actually EXPLAIN what the difference is between teaching, prophecy, and words of knowledge? Or have you just unthinkingly inherited a bunch of church traditions and experiences without actually DISCERNING that they're all made up by the charismatic movement, are often over-rated cheap psychological tricks or show business gone wrong, and are often completely unjustifiable when actually analysing the texts in the first place? What is a gift of healing? My son was sick. We prayed. We used chemo. He got better. He was healed. Isn't that healing?

What is your gift?? If I go by Spirit, Id say your gift is Faith, which is a pretty powerful gift to have..
Please don't pretend to know me because you consult your gut feelings after a few brief exchanges over the internet. You've never met me, and I'm not open to your 'Spirit' which could actually be more dependent on how much sleep you got last night, or the state of your digestion.

Yes, I love the message of Corinthians on gifts, but absolutely can't STAND reading it in the horribly inaccurate and camp Shakespearean sounding KJV. I'm just saying that the message of Corinthians on gifts is that we accept and enable each other's unique gifts, that PEOPLE are gifts to the church with our different talents and abilities, that quite often gifts are people's secular abilities (administration, etc) or God's special grace to people (like my son getting sick with cancer but still being alive years later) and yet I don't see much 'miraculous' stuff in the gifts at all! I don't see the gifts really being SPIRIT gifts, but gifts to the church of the different PEOPLE who belong there. But hey, if you've got absolute scriptural proof about what these gifts are, then go ahead. Right now you're just using assumptions and fairly recent charismatic traditions to colour your reading of the verses.

And nothing justifies your attitude to condemning the peer-reviewed climate science. Nothing.
 
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I'm saying mine is, and yours isn't! PROVE from scripture that you have the right to 'discern' that climate change is an Anti-Christ plot! Go on! Where does the New Testament unpack your so called 'gift of discernment' to this point? It doesn't!

Common sense and faith in the God that directly claims control over the weather is my proof.. I thought you were a Christian, yet you spend an AWFUL lot of time arguing against the Bible..

Suspect..


I've seen all sorts of horrors committed in the charismatic church, enough to wince at this kind of blind faith that is not biblically informed faith. I'm disgusted at some of the showmanship I've seen at so called 'healing conferences.' A friend of mine saw an old lady get up out of a wheelchair, and naturally the crowd went mental. When he asked her what had happened, the lovely old dear explained she had this really sore knee that couldn't get raised more than 'here' (about 20 cm off the ground) and now she could raise it another 10 cm! Woah! Big whoop-de-doo. The crowd thought they saw a paraplegic healed!

Im aware of the false tv preachers who make baseless claims with theatrical stunts..

What I am talking about is not the same.. You must not have witnessed the Holy spirit in action before.. Shame..

I've seen people lose their faith over speaking in tongues when they realised it was their own psychological state. People who speak in tongues in France have 'French accentuated' tongues, and other people around the world speak completely different vowel and consonant sets depending on their language. In other words, it is a butchering of the language they speak, NOT some universal heavenly inspired 'gift.' People in other faiths also speak in 'tongues'. It's a fairly easy psychological state to induce. But hey, if you REALLY have the 'gift' of discernment, and you REALLY want to 'test' the tongues, just go and record it and get your top 10 'interpreters' to interpret it for you, independently of each other. Yeah, I'm sure you'll use your 'gift' of disernment on that project right away!

I dont speak in tongues, my function in the Church is to provide discernment of scripture and prophecy.

But the Greek word is LANGUAGES! In cosmopolitan Corinth, Paul was merely asking that someone pray for an interpreter to be there and for the gift of being able to interpret clearly to people with different languages, just as we might pray that someone who speaks English to an English audience be able to speak their sermon clearly, as my pastor no doubt will in about an hour. (I'm about to go to church, where, fortunately, no one takes over the stage just to babble).

I understand that, I have nearly every translation of the Bible in english. I found the NIV to be inaccurate and missing scripture. It really is a terrible version of the Bible to read from a scholarly perspective..

No, he didn't say BELIEVETH, that's an archaic English-ism for people who think the KJV is a superior version and think talking silly is somehow more 'godly'. The KJV used some of the worst Greek manuscripts we have, and they were produced by a humanist who often guessed at the Greek by back translating from the Latin! We now have far better.
Why Does the King James Bible Have Some Different Verses Than Modern Translations? – Justin Taylor


I dont use the KJV, how many times can I stress that. My favorite is my Geneva Bible and my Bishops Bible, which are closer to the greek interpretation than the NIV.. You are reading the newer bibles..

I already showed you that the NIV is missing 75,000 words and 17 verses all together..
Regarding your actual point, I can only think that this verse refers to the sheer number of people converted. For are you blasphemous enough to think that we are going to do better actual 'works' than Jesus death and resurrection, that even the angels still wonder at?

Yes, Jesus Christ healed people, brought back sight, and people from the dead, we have this power in Christ by the Holy Spirit. Most just dont have enough faith in Christ to actually pull it off. He clearly told us we were capable, but people like you who think the Bible is just a feel good story book dont have the faith required. The reason you are so testy with me and antagonistic is because you have an evil spirit whispering in your ear. I bet when you are with your children you are more Christ like, but here your ego is taking over.. You simply cant stand that someone else understands something you dont and you are upset, I get it.. Lose the ego, its a burden.. Trust me, I went my whole life like that.. When you are an intellectual its easy to dominate someone who isnt as smart.. I took advantage of it...


Yeah, sure, I'm going to die for your sins and raise to new life and save the world and then, just like some ascended mormon 'god', go off and create a whole new world! SURE we are capable of doing everything Christ did, including making the world!
Only Jesus Christ was able to die for our sins, I am a sinner, therefore my life is not pure and I am not worthy to take sin into myself, as I am a sinner already..

Study these verses again, and justify your understanding of these gifts.
I just gave them to you, is the bible not self explanatory for you??? You should seek a teacher to assist you.

Is prophecy different to declaring the gospel message that if people don't repent and turn to Christ, they'll end up separated from Him for all eternity? Is prophecy different to words of knowledge? Where does the New Testament actually EXPLAIN what the difference is between teaching, prophecy, and words of knowledge? Or have you just unthinkingly inherited a bunch of church traditions and experiences without actually DISCERNING that they're all made up by the charismatic movement, are often over-rated cheap psychological tricks or show business gone wrong, and are often completely unjustifiable when actually analysing the texts in the first place? What is a gift of healing? My son was sick. We prayed. We used chemo. He got better. He was healed. Isn't that healing?

Prophecy is a gift given by God that we might understand the times. Those with discernment have the ability to contrast reality with prophecy for understanding of the times. Which is my full time job, as Ive retired early to take it on full time..

Yes it is healing, but you could have done that with faith.. Sorry, I take faith seriously.. If my child died, it wasnt meant to be and they go to a better place.. It would hurt for a while, but I fear God more than I fear losing a child, or my wife, Ill catch them on the flip side..

Please don't pretend to know me because you consult your gut feelings after a few brief exchanges over the internet. You've never met me, and I'm not open to your 'Spirit' which could actually be more dependent on how much sleep you got last night, or the state of your digestion.

Interesting... I dont do the "gut" feeling thing... I am only given in Spirit by faith in Christ..

Yes, I love the message of Corinthians on gifts, but absolutely can't STAND reading it in the horribly inaccurate and camp Shakespearean sounding KJV. I'm just saying that the message of Corinthians on gifts is that we accept and enable each other's unique gifts, that PEOPLE are gifts to the church with our different talents and abilities, that quite often gifts are people's secular abilities (administration, etc) or God's special grace to people (like my son getting sick with cancer but still being alive years later) and yet I don't see much 'miraculous' stuff in the gifts at all! I don't see the gifts really being SPIRIT gifts, but gifts to the church of the different PEOPLE who belong there. But hey, if you've got absolute scriptural proof about what these gifts are, then go ahead. Right now you're just using assumptions and fairly recent charismatic traditions to colour your reading of the verses.

I just told you, I use the Geneva Bible, why must you insist I use the KJV?

Do you have a hard time reading it or something?? Didnt work out for ya so everyone by default has the same literary issues you have??

Did I not just give you the scriptural proof you could ever want?

You are starting to make me laugh..

And nothing justifies your attitude to condemning the peer-reviewed climate science. Nothing.

Well, I guess your mind is made up.. No point in talking about.. Sounds like you bought into the GW doctrine of men and now you have defended it so long you cant get out of it.. Its almost like you need it to be true or something lol..


its not that serious bro.. relax.

Are you a high strung person?? I can tell you are an intellect but you are way to frustrated about something mang..
 
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I just gave them to you, is the bible not self explanatory for you??? You should seek a teacher to assist you.
Not on these matters, no! There are vague *hints* at the differences between them, but nothing explanatory. When one is free to ask the question honestly, and not terrified that some Charismatic tradition might show up to be a bunch of baloney, then there is actually a lot about the gifts that we can only guess at.



Prophecy is a gift given by God that we might understand the times.
Prove it, from the New Testament. I don't think you can, and that's why you attack my character with lazy ad hom's. Go on. Prove it from the bible.

Those with discernment have the ability to contrast reality with prophecy for understanding of the times.
Prove it, from the New Testament. I don't think you can, and that's why you attack my character with lazy ad hom's. Go on. Prove it from the bible.

Yes it is healing, but you could have done that with faith.. Sorry, I take faith seriously..
Prove it, from the New Testament. I don't think you can, and that's why you attack my character with lazy ad hom's. Go on. Prove it from the bible. The healing miracles were 'signs and wonders' so that we might know who Jesus was, and then by the Apostles so that we might know who they were. (Sign's of an Apostle). I do NOT think healing is a spiritual gift that is practiced today. It was a miraculous power, a sign and wonder, for a specific time in Christian history in a specific context: the declaration of who Jesus was, and the proclamation of the gospel by the Apostles. We simply don't have it today. It doesn't work, and blaming people for not having enough faith is downright NASTY and UNCHRISTIAN when it is not promised to everyone for all time!

All we have is prayer, and as Paul's wound in the flesh makes clear, sometimes God answers our prayers with YES, and sometimes he answers them with NO. Blaming someone for not having enough FAITH is downright disgusting and you're turning me off. It's just foul pastoral abuse, and you should be ashamed.



Interesting... I dont do the "gut" feeling thing... I am only given in Spirit by faith in Christ..
Prove that from the bible. You DO the gut feeling thing because you keep claiming extra scriptural revelation: you keep claiming to "know" stuff beyond that which the bible teaches. Great. How do you get this? Dreams? Whispering auditory hallucinations in your ear? Inner impressions? Gut feelings? Vibes? Feelings from bad childhood experiences? Feelings from listening to too much of the wrong kind of music late at night? How does your "Given in the spirit" actually work? ;) :confused: :doh:
 
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Not on these matters, no! There are vague *hints* at the differences between them, but nothing explanatory. When one is free to ask the question honestly, and not terrified that some Charismatic tradition might show up to be a bunch of baloney, then there is actually a lot about the gifts that we can only guess at.




Prove it, from the New Testament. I don't think you can, and that's why you attack my character with lazy ad hom's. Go on. Prove it from the bible.


Prove it, from the New Testament. I don't think you can, and that's why you attack my character with lazy ad hom's. Go on. Prove it from the bible.


Prove it, from the New Testament. I don't think you can, and that's why you attack my character with lazy ad hom's. Go on. Prove it from the bible. The healing miracles were 'signs and wonders' so that we might know who Jesus was, and then by the Apostles so that we might know who they were. (Sign's of an Apostle). I do NOT think healing is a spiritual gift that is practiced today. It was a miraculous power, a sign and wonder, for a specific time in Christian history in a specific context: the declaration of who Jesus was, and the proclamation of the gospel by the Apostles. We simply don't have it today. It doesn't work, and blaming people for not having enough faith is downright NASTY and UNCHRISTIAN when it is not promised to everyone for all time!

All we have is prayer, and as Paul's wound in the flesh makes clear, sometimes God answers our prayers with YES, and sometimes he answers them with NO. Blaming someone for not having enough FAITH is downright disgusting and you're turning me off. It's just foul pastoral abuse, and you should be ashamed.




Prove that from the bible. You DO the gut feeling thing because you keep claiming extra scriptural revelation: you keep claiming to "know" stuff beyond that which the bible teaches. Great. How do you get this? Dreams? Whispering auditory hallucinations in your ear? Inner impressions? Gut feelings? Vibes? Feelings from bad childhood experiences? Feelings from listening to too much of the wrong kind of music late at night? How does your "Given in the spirit" actually work? ;) :confused: :doh:


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Rev_1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.


2Pe_1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
(Prophecy is objective in nature)

2Pe_1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

1Ti_4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Rom_12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;



If you are separate from the truth of the Bible, then Im not sure why you think I will open your eyes. Only God can do that..

Have you personally accepted Christ? Or were you just raised in a Christian family and call yourself that?? Thats a huge issue in the States for example, most americans call themselves Christians by association, but are no more Christian than Barrack Obama..

I go on the offensive only when someone argues against the Bible, which everyone can see you are clearly doing..

You want to defame and mitigate the word, I dont tempt God that way..

All you keep doing is asking for proof, I sense you arent exactly a true believer...

Unbelievers ask for proof...

Believers put full faith in the Word, which you seem to have an issue wrapping your mind around.

I can show you scripture, then you follow up with "prove it", you are closed from truth.. All I can do is pray for you bro...:prayer:

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If you are separate from the truth of the Bible, then Im not sure why you think I will open your eyes. Only God can do that..
Do you honestly think this kind of superior answer is going to impress me? Dude, I'm saying you need to demonstrate why you read the bible the way you do.
Have you personally accepted Christ? Or were you just raised in a Christian family and call yourself that?? Thats a huge issue in the States for example, most americans call themselves Christians by association, but are no more Christian than Barrack Obama..
Get off your high horse and stop changing the topic. How about you obey the forum rules, and just humour me for a minute and assume I'm a Christian for once. Stop patronising me and stay on the subject!

Start answering the questions for once! Prove the things I've asked you about the gifts, from the bible.
I go on the offensive only when someone argues against the Bible, which everyone can see you are clearly doing..
You're only getting defensive because you haven't got the theological grounding to even begin proving that I'm going 'against the bible'. I'm fully convinced by the argument of the Sydney Anglican church that we are presenting the bible, and correcting Charismatic distortions of the bible.

You want to defame and mitigate the word, I dont tempt God that way..
When you choose to grow up and answer my questions instead of pretending you can accuse me of doing things I'm not doing, then I might take you seriously. But as you said, you go and make video's before you have even a moderate level of biblical theology worked out. Even though this has become a little heated (because you keep sidetracking this way off the topic of climate change), I'm trying to help you.

Do you know what the difference between Systematic Theology and Biblical Theology is? Do you know how the Old Testament is to be read in relationship with the New Testament? Because only once you can start seeing the big picture behind the bible, the unfolding plan of God as revealed to be opening up in the Old Testament and moving through to the New Testament, can you begin to have a hope of seeing the Lord's miracles as the Signs and Wonders that they really are.

All you keep doing is asking for proof, I sense you arent exactly a true believer...
Oh dry up! You're not meant to question whether someone is a Christian when they tell you they are! It's the forum rules.

Unbelievers ask for proof...
When you come into my thread and denigrate global warming as an anti-Christ plot, I'm entitled to ask why you think so. When you tell me rubbish like you're 'given in the Spirit' to understand this, I'm entitled to ask why you think the Spirit defies the laws of physics as demonstrated in any decent physics lab on the planet.

I'm asking you why you read the scriptures the way you do just as the Bereans asked Paul.

Acts 17

Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

I'm checking to see what you say is true. So far, you've not done a clear enough job explaining why you read the bible the way you do, and so that's your fault, not mine. So you resort to cheap ad homs.

Believers put full faith in the Word, which you seem to have an issue wrapping your mind around.
Believers also use discernment when they read the word so that they can read it correctly. I'm not asking you to demonstrate the truth of the whole bible to me: that it's God word to us is a given in this conversation: can we agree on that? I'm asking you to prove YOUR interpretation of it. So get of your high horse and do some work!

I can show you scripture, then you follow up with "prove it", you are closed from truth.. All I can do is pray for you bro...:prayer:
Oh grow up! I believe those chapters from Corinthians are God's word, I really do. But if you're not up to proving WHY you read them the way you do, then just admit so, retract your absolute balderdash about Global Warming being an AC plot, and leave this conversation to more rational people.
 
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Do you honestly think this kind of superior answer is going to impress me? Dude, I'm saying you need to demonstrate why you read the bible the way you do.

Get off your high horse and stop changing the topic. How about you obey the forum rules, and just humour me for a minute and assume I'm a Christian for once. Stop patronising me and stay on the subject!

Start answering the questions for once! Prove the things I've asked you about the gifts, from the bible.

You're only getting defensive because you haven't got the theological grounding to even begin proving that I'm going 'against the bible'. I'm fully convinced by the argument of the Sydney Anglican church that we are presenting the bible, and correcting Charismatic distortions of the bible.


When you choose to grow up and answer my questions instead of pretending you can accuse me of doing things I'm not doing, then I might take you seriously. But as you said, you go and make video's before you have even a moderate level of biblical theology worked out. Even though this has become a little heated (because you keep sidetracking this way off the topic of climate change), I'm trying to help you.

Do you know what the difference between Systematic Theology and Biblical Theology is? Do you know how the Old Testament is to be read in relationship with the New Testament? Because only once you can start seeing the big picture behind the bible, the unfolding plan of God as revealed to be opening up in the Old Testament and moving through to the New Testament, can you begin to have a hope of seeing the Lord's miracles as the Signs and Wonders that they really are.


Oh dry up! You're not meant to question whether someone is a Christian when they tell you they are! It's the forum rules.


When you come into my thread and denigrate global warming as an anti-Christ plot, I'm entitled to ask why you think so. When you tell me rubbish like you're 'given in the Spirit' to understand this, I'm entitled to ask why you think the Spirit defies the laws of physics as demonstrated in any decent physics lab on the planet.

I'm asking you why you read the scriptures the way you do just as the Bereans asked Paul.

Acts 17

Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

I'm checking to see what you say is true. So far, you've not done a clear enough job explaining why you read the bible the way you do, and so that's your fault, not mine. So you resort to cheap ad homs.


Believers also use discernment when they read the word so that they can read it correctly. I'm not asking you to demonstrate the truth of the whole bible to me: that it's God word to us is a given in this conversation: can we agree on that? I'm asking you to prove YOUR interpretation of it. So get of your high horse and do some work!


Oh grow up! I believe those chapters from Corinthians are God's word, I really do. But if you're not up to proving WHY you read them the way you do, then just admit so, retract your absolute balderdash about Global Warming being an AC plot, and leave this conversation to more rational people.


I updated my post with verses that should help you on your journey in Christ..

I didnt say that because you believe in Global warming that you are evil, just deceived.

Global warming is nothing more than a secular stunt designed to keep people convinced when God scorches the earth..
Rev_16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

When it happens, you wont be affected, but those who are left here will assume its global warming gone bad and not actually coming from God.

Its no different from Evolution, Age of the Earth, Age of the Universe, String theory, all things designed to keep people from the Bible and understanding who really is in control..

Shake the deception bro, the Holy Spirit keeps us from deception, and its in Spirit that I tell you this, only out of love that you might be kept from the coming deception..
 
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Rev_1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
2Pe_1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
(Prophecy is objective in nature)
2Pe_1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
1Ti_4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Rom_12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
I believe all of those verses, but none of them justify your subjective conspiracy theory rants against climate science. None. They're the bible's own testimony about biblical prophets: they're not about YOU, but about the prophets in the bible. Try again.

Also, I don't even accept that Revelation is a book of prophecies about the future (except in that it includes the prediction that the Lord will one day return, which is about as much 'prophecy' as a basic gospel declaration because the Lord's return is part of our good news!) Revelation is the gospel writ large in metaphorical biblical symbolism. It's true, it's encouraging, but it is NOT a timetable of the last few years of this world. Otherwise it would have been irrelevant for the last 2000 years worth of Christians, wouldn't it? I don't think you've thought that through. But I'm convinced that nothing in Revelation is a 'timetable' of 'last days' events, but a theology of the last days... 2000 years and counting! (See Acts 2. We've been in the Last Days since the Holy Spirit was given to the church).

So your out of context quote from Revelation to try and explain global warming? It's just the wrong way to read important verses of the bible which are actually symbolic of God's judgement of various people now. But I'm simply not prepared to discuss Revelation with you further until you justify why you think you're given special powers to interpret the times, and how those special powers work (voice in your head? Feeling in your gut? Words in the sky? Trees falling from branches? Dice? What is it you DO or think you experience to 'commune' with the Spirit and get direct messages from Him?) The Sufficiency of Scriptures basically leads me not to expect extra words from God today, and indeed, God's word seems to forbid expecting such a thing. God communicates through his GOD BREATHED word, but apparently the bible doesn't satisfy you. It's not enough to trust God at His word. You've got to pester him for more!
 
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I believe all of those verses, but none of them justify your subjective conspiracy theory rants against climate science. None. They're the bible's own testimony about biblical prophets: they're not about YOU, but about the prophets in the bible. Try again.

Also, I don't even accept that Revelation is a book of prophecies about the future (except in that it includes the prediction that the Lord will one day return, which is about as much 'prophecy' as a basic gospel declaration because the Lord's return is part of our good news!) Revelation is the gospel writ large in metaphorical biblical symbolism. It's true, it's encouraging, but it is NOT a timetable of the last few years of this world. Otherwise it would have been irrelevant for the last 2000 years worth of Christians, wouldn't it? I don't think you've thought that through. But I'm convinced that nothing in Revelation is a 'timetable' of 'last days' events, but a theology of the last days... 2000 years and counting! (See Acts 2. We've been in the Last Days since the Holy Spirit was given to the church).

So your out of context quote from Revelation to try and explain global warming? It's just the wrong way to read important verses of the bible which are actually symbolic of God's judgement of various people now. But I'm simply not prepared to discuss Revelation with you further until you justify why you think you're given special powers to interpret the times, and how those special powers work (voice in your head? Feeling in your gut? Words in the sky? Trees falling from branches? Dice? What is it you DO or think you experience to 'commune' with the Spirit and get direct messages from Him?) The Sufficiency of Scriptures basically leads me not to expect extra words from God today, and indeed, God's word seems to forbid expecting such a thing. God communicates through his GOD BREATHED word, but apparently the bible doesn't satisfy you. It's not enough to trust God at His word. You've got to pester him for more!

Oh, Im sorry, I almost forgot there is no objective data to prove global warming exists..

We could have ended the conversation there lol...


God is objective, men are subjective.

You let those men preach about this world and how it works to you.. Ill listen to God..
 
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Oh, Im sorry, I almost forgot there is no objective data to prove global warming exists..
We could have ended the conversation there lol...

God is objective, men are subjective.

You let those men preach about this world and how it works to you.. Ill listen to God..

You see, the real problem behind using those prophecy verses the way you were trying to is that you were claiming to have the authority to write scripture. You were claiming that kind of special authority.

But the bible seems to indicate the winding down of prophecy since Jesus fulfilled OT prophecy and the Last Days began 2000 years ago. (Also reference Acts 2 for the Last Days beginning 2000 years ago).

Hebrews 1
1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

That is, Jesus is not only the WORD, he is God's final word. The message of the gospel through the disciples is the only authority by which we can live.

That means we don't 'put out a Gideon's fleece' when seeking 'guidance'. In fact, Gideon is not a model for guidance but a warning against testing God! God had ALREADY given his guidance, but Gideon was testing him!
Don’t get fleeced by Gideon’s guidance! | The Briefing

We pray and read our bibles and talk with elders in our church for 'guidance.' The bible is all we need. It's all God promises for us as far as leading us. There are many promises to guide the disciples, and give THEM infallible words from the Spirit as they witnessed and eventually wrote the bible; and even writing the bible was done using their unique personality and academic skill set and language ability. But it is nevertheless, still God-breathed and sufficient for our needs.

To argue otherwise is to leave evangelical Christianity. Catholics prefer the 'authority' of tradition inherited from history and tinkered with by the Pope, Liberals prefer the 'authority' of reason and what can be tested with science and the logic of human philosophy, Charismatics prefer the 'authority' of their own personal experience in dreams and subjectivity, and Evangelicals prefer the VERY REAL authority of Scripture itself. We also appreciate the value of tradition, reason, and experience. But these are not our final authority. We also value the correct hermeneutics of the passage, understanding the various literature formats of the bible. Much of early Genesis is quite a structured symbolic piece of prose, almost like poetry, just as the end of the bible is very symbolic. Some is literal. Some is historical. Some is biographical. We have to use reason when looking at each piece of literature. We also appreciate the great traditions of the Protestant church, and are rightly hesitant and conservative when someone wants to change something just for change sake. We value the historical creeds and many church practices handed down to us. But if it is good for the gospel, we will try new things, such as new service formats, new target ministries, new technologies, new music. We also preach on the power of experiences in our lives, and appreciate the need for help and assistance in more challenging seasons of our lives. But none of these other things are the final authority in our faith. Only scripture has that role.

Claiming those verses of prophecy for yourself was just plain heresy!

Finally, there is heaps of evidence for global warming. Let's start with the basics. Have you ever seen how CO2 traps heat? If you want to *see* the way CO2 actually traps heat, please watch the following video. It shows how candle *light* can penetrate a tube filled with Co2 but a candle's *heat* cannot. The demonstration starts at 90 seconds in but the whole video itself is well worth watching.
This Year's Model - YouTube
 
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You see, the real problem behind using those prophecy verses the way you were trying to is that you were claiming to have the authority to write scripture. You were claiming that kind of special authority.

But the bible seems to indicate the winding down of prophecy since Jesus fulfilled OT prophecy and the Last Days began 2000 years ago. (Also reference Acts 2 for the Last Days beginning 2000 years ago).

Hebrews 1
1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

That is, Jesus is not only the WORD, he is God's final word. The message of the gospel through the disciples is the only authority by which we can live.

That means we don't 'put out a Gideon's fleece' when seeking 'guidance'. In fact, Gideon is not a model for guidance but a warning against testing God! God had ALREADY given his guidance, but Gideon was testing him!
Don’t get fleeced by Gideon’s guidance! | The Briefing

We pray and read our bibles and talk with elders in our church for 'guidance.' The bible is all we need. It's all God promises for us as far as leading us. There are many promises to guide the disciples, and give THEM infallible words from the Spirit as they witnessed and eventually wrote the bible; and even writing the bible was done using their unique personality and academic skill set and language ability. But it is nevertheless, still God-breathed and sufficient for our needs.

To argue otherwise is to leave evangelical Christianity. Catholics prefer the 'authority' of tradition inherited from history and tinkered with by the Pope, Liberals prefer the 'authority' of reason and what can be tested with science and the logic of human philosophy, Charismatics prefer the 'authority' of their own personal experience in dreams and subjectivity, and Evangelicals prefer the VERY REAL authority of Scripture itself. We also appreciate the value of tradition, reason, and experience. But these are not our final authority. We also value the correct hermeneutics of the passage, understanding the various literature formats of the bible. Much of early Genesis is quite a structured symbolic piece of prose, almost like poetry, just as the end of the bible is very symbolic. Some is literal. Some is historical. Some is biographical. We have to use reason when looking at each piece of literature. We also appreciate the great traditions of the Protestant church, and are rightly hesitant and conservative when someone wants to change something just for change sake. We value the historical creeds and many church practices handed down to us. But if it is good for the gospel, we will try new things, such as new service formats, new target ministries, new technologies, new music. We also preach on the power of experiences in our lives, and appreciate the need for help and assistance in more challenging seasons of our lives. But none of these other things are the final authority in our faith. Only scripture has that role.

Claiming those verses of prophecy for yourself was just plain heresy!

Finally, there is heaps of evidence for global warming. Let's start with the basics. Have you ever seen how CO2 traps heat? If you want to *see* the way CO2 actually traps heat, please watch the following video. It shows how candle *light* can penetrate a tube filled with Co2 but a candle's *heat* cannot. The demonstration starts at 90 seconds in but the whole video itself is well worth watching.
This Year's Model - YouTube


Spiritual gifts dont have anything to do with global warming, I was just trying to help you identify yours.

I know how pointless this is because you are not educated in this (presumably)..
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/...so-alarmists-return-to-the-97-consensus-hoax/
Are you familiar with the logarithmic affect of co2???

Basically, the warming effect is only accounted for at the lowest ppms.. Kinda like if you had 50 trillion dollars, and someone gives you 500 trillion dollars more, you cant spend the first 50, so anymore is moot..

This chart explains visually...
co2_modtrans_img2.png


Now, as a plant biologist who studied the effects of co2 (for a living at one point lol)

Id like to bring you up to speed on the nature of a co2 molecule..

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First of all, Co2 does not hold "heat" as you say, at least not like you are thinking, its not a heat sponge.. lol Weve observed heat transfer against controls under 2500ppm concentrations in an enclosed environment compared to the standard atmospheric 400ppm.

There was no difference outside a negligible difference that could be accounted for by the nature of the room being tested in, but nothing that we could scale to world standards with any discernible results.


If anything, co2 will dissipate with heat, but since the environment was closed off, both the control and the experiment remained consistent.

The molar mass of CO2 is 44.00964 ± 0.00003 g/mol

Co2 is heavier than air also..(Oxygen 32.00g/mol )

Co2 is not a toxin, its vital for life.. As co2 concentrations combine with the other atmospheric gases to create a suitable environment for plants to thrive in, as well as for humans to breath..

Increases in Co2 rates to the widely accepted 400pm standard have yet to affect the global temperatures.

Meaning, if we remove the all the gases, yes the temperature will drop, but increases in Co2 have no consistent bearing on the increase itself.

You really need to understand how light works and Im not sure if you have the basics down yet or not..

Essentially the sun provides us with the heat we need, but co2 is probably the last factor in helping to hold heat, lol...


But hey, you are right, Fox News and Al Gore are right too.. lol


Stay of the tube man, you are being fooled..


I am more interested in faith over science, alot of the theories we worked from are just that, theories..

I am not formally educated in organic chemistry, the math is undeniable tho. If anyone who is more educated can help explain this to the lay person, please, I implore you..
 
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1. So it's not the AntiChrist
Phew! For a minute there I thought you were going to use the scriptures to prove you had the right to write Scripture, and were a so-called 'prophet'. ;) At least you've given up the 'given in the spirit' routine, and so dropped the foundation for your "AC Plot" conspiracy theory. I'm glad that's out the way!

2. CO2 doesn't trap heat
I'm not a scientist, but even I know CO2 doesn't 'trap' heat in each molecule as such but redirects it back into the atmosphere.
I'm tired of being corrected over the popular layman's usage of the term, and so continue to use it. I say it 'traps' heat because that's the current English way we discuss it. I'll continue to use it in that sense, OK?

Also, the climatologists are all aware that CO2's impact is logarithmic. Suggesting otherwise is just ignorant of their case!

For a greenhouse gas, such as carbon dioxide, radiative transfer codes that examine each spectral line for atmospheric conditions can be used to calculate the change ΔF as a function of changing concentration. These calculations can often be simplified into an algebraic formulation that is specific to that gas.

For instance, the simplified first-order approximation expression for carbon dioxide is:

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where C is the CO2 concentration in parts per million by volume and C0 is the reference concentration.[6] The relationship between carbon dioxide and radiative forcing is logarithmic, and thus increased concentrations have a progressively smaller warming effect.

Radiative forcing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

However, this is already accounted for in their modelling. They *know* this, and it is dishonest to suggest otherwise! You're a Christian, aren't you? Why are you trying to deceive the readers here by suggesting that they might not know the logarithmic decrease of CO2's power? the extra units of CO2 only *really* start to decrease in effect long after we've cooked the planet.

To put it in other words, while the CO2 is growing exponentially, the temperature is only going up linearly.

For every doubling of CO2, the temperature only goes up x units: the temperature doesn't DOUBLE. The slow logarithmic decrease is already built into the math. Why are you pretending otherwise?

How do we know more CO2 is causing warming?

Temperature Response to CO2
Monckton claims that an exponential increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration would result in a linear increase in global temperature. But of course that depends on what the exponent is in the exponential increase. Monckton is referring to the logarithmic relationship between radiative forcing (which is directly proportional to the change in surface temperature at equilibrium) and the atmospheric CO2 increase. Note that we are not currently at equilibrium as there is a planetary energy imbalance, and thus further warming 'in the pipeline' from the carbon we've already emitted. Therefore, estimates of the rate of warming due to CO2 thus far will will be underestimates, unless accounting for this 'warming in the pipeline' (which Monckton does not).

This logarithmic relationship means that each doubling of atmospheric CO2 will cause the same amount of warming at the Earth's surface. Thus if it takes as long to increase atmospheric CO2 from 560 to 1120 ppmv as it did to rise from 280 to 560 ppmv, for example, then the associated warming at the Earth's surface will be roughly linear. So the question then becomes, how fast do we expect atmospheric CO2 to rise over the next century?
Monckton Myth #3: Linear Warming

3. You're way out on plants.
Yes there are some vegetables that enjoy extra Co2. But there are many important crops or animal feedstocks that do not!

Just saying “Co2 = plant food, therefore more plant food will be good for them and force them to grow bigger” is about as sensible as saying “Pizza is human food, therefore more Pizza will be good for them and FORCE them to grow bigger!”

We might in truth get bigger. But the trite summary above ignores diabetes, heart disease, circulatory problems and ... death. Plants are also vulnerable to various problems if they get too much 'plant food'. It messes with their self-defence toxins. Some produce too little; others too much.

Less toxic makes them more vulnerable to bug attacks.
The “CO2 is Good for Plants” Crock. Turns out — not so much. | Climate Denial Crock of the Week

More toxic renders them inedible to us or livestock.
How plants respond to increasing carbon dioxide - The Science Show - ABC Radio National (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Also, let's not forget the carbon impacts on atmospheric temperatures and increased moisture movement. Every extra degree of temperature allows the atmosphere to carry 5% more moisture. That means increased evaporation and drought in drying areas, and increased precipitation in dumping areas. It means increased floods and famines.

4. The Earth's temperature is warming.

Of the top 3 climate monitoring units on the planet only Hadley says 1998 was the warmest, and the European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts (ECMWF) has pointed to a cooling bias with the Hadley data.
What has global warming done since 1998?

Two of the three most powerful temperature databases on the planet confirm 1998 as the THIRD warmest year on record, even when 1998 had one of the most frighteningly powerful El Nino's we've ever seen. Check it out —[bless and do not curse]NOAA, NASA, then Hadley's CRU.

The NCDC at NOAA says:
///For 2010, the combined global land and ocean surface temperature tied with 2005 as the warmest such period on record, at 0.62°C (1.12°F) above the 20th century average of 13.9°C (57.0°F). 1998 is the third warmest year-to-date on record, at 0.60°C (1.08°F) above the 20th century average."
Global Analysis - Annual 2010 | State of the Climate | National Climatic Data Center (NCDC)

NASA GISTEMP confirms the same thing and says:
"Global surface temperatures in 2010 tied 2005 as the warmest on record, according to an analysis released Wednesday by researchers at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York.///
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20110112/

And now Phil Jones at the CRU, but don't forget the ECMWF has had a go at this particular dataset.

///The time series shows the combined global land and marine surface temperature record from 1850 to 2010. According to the method of calculation used by CRU, the year 2010 was the equal third (see footnote) warmest on record (with 2003), exceeded by 1998 and 2005. The years 2003, 2005 and 2010 are only distinguishable in the third decimal place. The error estimate for individual years (two standard errors is about ±0.1°C, see Brohan et al., 2006) is at least ten times larger than the differences between these three years.

The period 2001-2010 (0.44°C above 1961-90 mean) was 0.20°C warmer than the 1991-2000 decade (0.24°C above 1961-90 mean). The warmest year of the entire series has been 1998, with a temperature of 0.55°C above the 1961-90 mean. After 1998, the next nine warmest years in the series are all in the decade 2001-2010. During this decade, only 2008 is not in the ten warmest years. Even though 2008 was the coldest year of the 21st century it was still the 12th warmest year of the whole record.///
Information Sheet 1 redirection

But rather than argue over hundredths of a degree, which is all that seems to separate the temperatures, have a look at the 15 year trend *all* 3 agencies report. Brilliant graphic here.
Climate monitoring - Met Office

Even Denialist's are admitting it. At the 2009 Heartland Institute conference (of global warming sceptics), well known climate denialist Dr Patrick J Michaels (author of the World Climate Report Denialist blog) warned against using the 1998 El Nino super-spike as some sort of 'proof' of a cooling trend. Take the advice of the words of a fellow Denialist.

"You've all seen articles saying that global warming stopped in 1998. Well, with all due respect that's being a little bit unfair to the data. This is 1998 here, and it was a HUGE El Nino year, and the sun was very active in 1998, and so what you're going to have you're going to have a fall … as the consequent La Nina … takes place."

"Make an argument that you can get killed on and you will kill us all… If you loose credibility on this issue you lose this issue!"
1998 Revisited - YouTube

He then goes on to explain that when the El Nino cycles return, it's going to get really hot again. Not only that, but Patrick Michaels explains that:

"SO! Global warming IS REAL, and the second warming of the 20th Century, people have something to do with it! Now get over it!"

So while Denialists selectively zoom in on a few data points to try and skew the story any way they want, overall, the trend is clear.
Climate Denial Crock of the Week - Party like it's 1998 - YouTube
The last decade was the hottest on record, and anyone who says otherwise is denying the best data on the planet and pushing an anti-science agenda of their own.
 
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Can you show me in scripture how God doesnt control the weather?

Tell me, are these verses allegorical? metaphorical?
Job 37:5 God thundereth marvellously with his voice; great things doeth he, which we cannot comprehend.
Job 37:6 For he saith to the snow, Be thou on the earth; likewise to the small rain, and to the great rain of his strength.
Job 37:7 He sealeth up the hand of every man; that all men may know his work.
Job 37:8 Then the beasts go into dens, and remain in their places.
Job 37:9 Out of the south cometh the whirlwind: and cold out of the north.
Job 37:10 By the breath of God frost is given: and the breadth of the waters is straitened.



co2 is not growing "exponentially" as you put it...

Regarding plants, they function much in the way humans do.. For example, the Bible says a man who doesnt work, doesnt eat and doesnt sleep..

Likewise, a plant wont utilize more light or co2 than it needs to create carbohydrates through the process known as photosynthesis.

Whether the air is saturated or not doesnt really matter to the plant, transpiration rates are regulated by temperature, humidity, light and adequate availability of chelated nutrients.

Concerning Co2, weve seen nothing to suggest that the planet is "warming" or trapping more heat..

Personally, I think the augmented climates have more to do with fallacies with the Gregorian calender, and its finally catching up with us..

Meaning, its getting warmer earlier, and cool earlier during the seasons, but that has more to do with our perception of timing, not the actual temps..

I suppose If you could show me that weve had the highest recorded temps in human history, id be inclined to agree somewhat, but record heat has always been recorded, and the contrary, with record lows being recorded as well.

I guess my understanding prevents me from believing in Global warming from a mathematical position, ultimately I will have to agree to disagree with your claims.


I remember when gw went mainstream, personally, I think its an agenda pushed by the news..

None of my colleagues can find actual evidence for it, granted, it was never our job to track the season temp changes..

What interests me is that after 72 pages on the topic, you appear to be invested in the notion, even tho credible and peer reviewed research suggests that gw is nothing more than an elaborate theory.

The News somehow knew about GW before science was able to test the theory.. I find that to be suspect, but hey..

Depends on what each person believes, personally, I think you havent even begun to see warming or climate change, as Gods promises will fill that void for you..



Right now the average saturation of the air you breath is around 400ppm.. If it was 2000 ppm you could still breath just fine.. trust me..
 
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Can you show me in scripture how God doesnt control the weather?

Tell me, are these verses allegorical? metaphorical?
Job 37:5 God thundereth marvellously with his voice; great things doeth he, which we cannot comprehend.
Job 37:6 For he saith to the snow, Be thou on the earth; likewise to the small rain, and to the great rain of his strength.
Job 37:7 He sealeth up the hand of every man; that all men may know his work.
Job 37:8 Then the beasts go into dens, and remain in their places.
Job 37:9 Out of the south cometh the whirlwind: and cold out of the north.
Job 37:10 By the breath of God frost is given: and the breadth of the waters is straitened.
Sorry, I don't read this silly corrupted old version made from only 6 Greek manuscripts from the 12th century. Unlike you, I like modern versions that use 1000 times as many Greek manuscripts, and from 1000 years earlier as well!

Dude, all these verses actually explain is that God is sovereign. I've already dealt with your argument pages ago. Remember, God is still sovereign over the physics of knives and bullets when crimes are committed! Remember that post? How about you do me the courtesy of going back and re-reading it and responding to it appropriately, hey?

co2 is not growing "exponentially" as you put it...
Sorry, but it is. Fossil fuel consumption has grown exponentially throughout the Industrial Revolution, with an approximate doubling time for oil of every 10 years. (Oil may stall as we approach the peak of conventional oil sources, but there's enough coal and gas left to cook the planet a few times over).

Regarding plants, they function much in the way humans do.. For example, the Bible says a man who doesnt work, doesnt eat and doesnt sleep..
That is not an answer! You're the one claiming to be the plant expert. You're the one who claimed CO2 was good for all plants! Now you need to run along and find out why all those pesky agriculturalists are in on your imaginary 'conspiracy'. ;) :thumbsup: :doh: :confused: :doh:

Likewise, a plant wont utilize more light or co2 than it needs to create carbohydrates through the process known as photosynthesis.
Teaching me how to suck eggs?
Go and read the studies dude!

Concerning Co2, weve seen nothing to suggest that the planet is "warming" or trapping more heat..
Nah, nothing at all. :doh: Except the top 3 databases of tens of thousands of instruments the planet IS warming!

Personally, I think the augmented climates have more to do with fallacies with the Gregorian calender, and its finally catching up with us..
Personally, I think you're running and hiding from all the data I've shown above, and not only deceiving us all, but worst of all, deceiving yourself! One day you could end up with a major crisis of faith when you wake up and realise this stuff is for real. I just hope your Christianity survives that day! I'm trying to help.

Meaning, its getting warmer earlier, and cool earlier during the seasons, but that has more to do with our perception of timing, not the actual temps..
False! It's actually happening. Yes, sometimes the cooling is way weird and severe. Guess what? Warmer poles = less stable jet streams (because there is not as much temperature differential between the poles and equator) = 'wobbly' jet streams = arctic weather sometimes moving south. That's how you get super-cold snaps in a generally warmer world. In other words, the climate is warming: but sometimes this creates pockets of colder weather! (That's not me:I'm not smart enough to measure all that. It's from Catalyst.)
Catalyst: Extreme Weather - ABC TV Science


I suppose If you could show me that weve had the highest recorded temps in human history, id be inclined to agree somewhat, but record heat has always been recorded, and the contrary, with record lows being recorded as well.
I already showed you. Tell me truthfully, do you even bother to read my posts?

I guess my understanding prevents me from believing in Global warming from a mathematical position, ultimately I will have to agree to disagree with your claims.
I don't know why: plenty of mathematicians are already involved in the peer-reviewed discussions.


I remember when gw went mainstream, personally, I think its an agenda pushed by the news..
What!? Fox News is the greatest sources of climate DENIAL! And thought this was all the AC!? Are you making up your counter-theories as you go along?

None of my colleagues can find actual evidence for it, granted, it was never our job to track the season temp changes..
Pffft! They're not LOOKING!

What interests me is that after 72 pages on the topic, you appear to be invested in the notion, even tho credible and peer reviewed research suggests that gw is nothing more than an elaborate theory.
What interests me is that you DON'T RESPOND TO THE DATA and then run and chat about other little bits and pieces and make up new theories all the time.

The News somehow knew about GW before science was able to test the theory.. I find that to be suspect, but hey..
Yeah, cause they had 'the news' back when Joseph Fourier discovered greenhouse gases in the 1830's. But hey, go tell yourself another story!

Depends on what each person believes, personally, I think you havent even begun to see warming or climate change, as Gods promises will fill that void for you..
Spiritual fluff and self-pious twaddle to avoid the DATA!

Right now the average saturation of the air you breath is around 400ppm.. If it was 2000 ppm you could still breath just fine.. trust me..
Not if I was starving to death I wouldn't. But you obviously still believe MORE CO2 = MORE PLANT FOOD and haven't bothered to read the studies I listed, or study the weather impacts, glacial melt, polar melt, sea level rises, increases in 'wet bulb temperature' that would make much of the equator uninhabitable to human beings... mass migration, the American bread-basket states drying up and blowing away, a Greater Depression, water-wars, mass conflict... yeah. My breathing might not be a problem. But my staying alive in a 2000ppm world might be! (Or my grandchildren by then, anyway).

God's judgement is often to hand us over to what we want. We rebelled against him in the garden, and he gave us what we wanted: a world without him. Romans lists the ways he hands us over to other things. We build guns, and suffer a society with guns. We practice sex with monkeys and bring AIDS into the community. Is it so hard to imagine that God could let us experience a climate changed by our own actions? He's sovereign in every other area of human endeavour that we mess up: our oceans, our rivers, our cities, everything. He is sovereign over whether I can take my next breath, yet I know (sadly) that in many small ways I rebel against my saviour every day. The human race rebels against God in so many ways every single day. He just hands us over to ourselves. Yet he is still sovereign! Why is climate any different? You have not answered this!
(Please, just quote a few more weather-control verses and prove you haven't got the ability to THINK about the fact that there are the equivalent PEOPLE-control verses in Romans!)
 
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Im starting to wonder if the perception you have has anything to do with where you are from.

Here in the states, we laugh at Global warming, we know our news networks are owned by the same guy, we dont actually believe what they tell us, lol..


I didnt realize others took the news as serious as you do.

Fox news pushes GW HARD here in the states.. Do you guys have Fox News?

Co2 doesnt provide a plant with "food". Food for a plant comes in the form of nutrients.

Co2 + Light = Carbohydrates, which give the plant the energy needed to function as a system. Making transpiration possible in the first place..


You are making claims that hold no scientific weight, and are not educated in the matters..


Everyones an internet scientist these days, I digress...

You dont really like the Bible that much do you... Keep faith in Christ above all, and quit watching the news bro, you are being deceived..

God has full control over his creation, not humans.. Im sorry you dont agree with that, but you are in for a shock when you find out everything youve been led to believe was sold to you..
 
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Sorry, I don't read this silly corrupted old version made from only 6 Greek manuscripts from the 12th century. Unlike you, I like modern versions that use 1000 times as many Greek manuscripts, and from 1000 years earlier as well!

What does that even mean? You do know where the NIV bible comes from right? lol

Dude, all these verses actually explain is that God is sovereign. I've already dealt with your argument pages ago. Remember, God is still sovereign over the physics of knives and bullets when crimes are committed! Remember that post? How about you do me the courtesy of going back and re-reading it and responding to it appropriately, hey?

You dont believe the Bible to be the infallible word of God do you..

Sorry, but it is. Fossil fuel consumption has grown exponentially throughout the Industrial Revolution, with an approximate doubling time for oil of every 10 years. (Oil may stall as we approach the peak of conventional oil sources, but there's enough coal and gas left to cook the planet a few times over).

This is just a flat out lie.

That is not an answer! You're the one claiming to be the plant expert. You're the one who claimed CO2 was good for all plants! Now you need to run along and find out why all those pesky agriculturalists are in on your imaginary 'conspiracy'.

Relax, Im simply educating you on how photosynthesis works. You seem to think Co2 has any real impact on a plants growth if it exceeds normal levels, it doesn't..

Personally, I think you're running and hiding from all the data I've shown above, and not only deceiving us all, but worst of all, deceiving yourself! One day you could end up with a major crisis of faith when you wake up and realise this stuff is for real.

Youve shown me a few things you pulled off the internet because you believe in the news and global warming.

False! It's actually happening. Yes, sometimes the cooling is way weird and severe. Guess what? Warmer poles = less stable jet streams (because there is not as much temperature differential between the poles and equator) = 'wobbly' jet streams = arctic weather sometimes moving south. That's how you get super-cold snaps in a generally warmer world. In other words, the climate is warming: but sometimes this creates pockets of colder weather! (That's not me:I'm not smart enough to measure all that. It's from Catalyst.)

In your head Im sure this makes great sense.

Not if I was starving to death I wouldn't. But you obviously still believe MORE CO2 = MORE PLANT FOOD and haven't bothered to read the studies I listed, or study the weather impacts, glacial melt, polar melt, sea level rises, increases in 'wet bulb temperature' that would make much of the equator uninhabitable to human beings... mass migration, the American bread-basket states drying up and blowing away, a Greater Depression, water-wars, mass conflict... yeah. My breathing might not be a problem. But my staying alive in a 2000ppm world might be! (Or my grandchildren by then, anyway).

More co2 doesnt mean more plant food. You need to read a 3rd grade childrens science book if you cant grasp this concept.

co2 has nothing to do with food. It provides raw energy to the plants by combining photons with co2 to form raw energy. Plants dont have a digestion system like humans do, they draw nutrients in through their roots, and the energy used to to that comes from Co2 and sunlight.

Its a simple concept to understand, Im not sure why you are having difficulty with this.
 
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Im starting to wonder if the perception you have has anything to do with where you are from.

Here in the states, we laugh at Global warming, we know our news networks are owned by the same guy, we dont actually believe what they tell us, lol..
Generally speaking, the world laughs at the American's laughing at climate science.

When you can respond to the data with actual data, and more adult thinking about these matters, I'll bother to respond with a real post. Right now I'm just left feeling vaguely nauseated at the ridiculous state of much of American Charismatic Christianity, buying into conspiracy theories and climate denialism like little children believing weird whispers in the playground. Grow up, and learn to read peer-reviewed science.
 
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