Matthew 24 should not be referenced for End Times Discussions

Interplanner said:

Acts 13's sermon exults: everything promised to the fathers has been fulfilled in the resurrection. Put that in your own words, ChristP.

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Interplanner said:

But the NT goes on to use things that seem future! That is the rub you don't like. the new temple is here! The access to the holy place is here. The new covenant. The enthronement of Messiah. The kingdom (how many times does he say 'the kingdom of God is now among you'?). Are you really not familiar with all these things? The new Jerusalem hovering over us?

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ebedmelech said:

My thoughts are Matthew 24 & 25, Luke 21 and Mark 13 are all the same accounts of Jesus on the Mount of Olives.

The only difference is what each one says in their accounts...Matthew's account is most detailed and that's why people refer to it first. Mark and Luke's accounts are not as detailed as Matthew is. You put the three together and simply go from there.

The key thing though is that Revelation, written by John...is an expanded account of the Olivet Discourse after Jesus has ascended to the right hand of God...so Jesus has given the most information in Revelation.
This is why John's gospel has no Olivet Discourse at all...because John's version is the entire book of Revelation.

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LittleLambofJesus said:

Very interesting about John and his Gospel............

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Interplanner said:

I forgot: 13 developes the quote from Isaiah 55 about David's promises. That they had been given to Christ, to send the Spirit of God as Peter said in Acts 2:33 "the promised Holy Spirit" so that the nations could hear the Gospel and believe. This proves that God has made Jesus Lord and Christ.

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Interplanner said:

Rat, Acts 2:30; 3:19-20; 13:32-33. On the last one, some time later than Acts 3, you would think that if there was more to it than forgiveness and the mission to the nations (a few verses later), then Paul would have elaborated in 13 on 'everything to be restored.' But the first thing of Acts 3's 'everything' was repentance and wiping away sins. It is not as though 3:19-20 is an exception to these manifestations of the Spirit of God at work.

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Interplanner said:

they say what the promise was and 13's sermon says "what was promised" has come. It is not the answer you were expecting but it is what they say, and they don't say anything about the future or the land. Because of the emphasis on the Spirit at work among Israel and the nations, we can understand why Paul says the promise to the fathers was the Spirit in Gal 3. Because he means to say there that the Spirit does not work through the law, but by their hearing the amazing Gospel.

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Interplanner said:

Sorry Lamad, i don't know anywhere in the NT where this is in plain language and I just can't base anything on the Rev. the thess materials are about the standing temple;

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Paul speaks as though the wrath of God has already hit. Mt 24A is about 1st cent. Judea, as the intro shows.

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Did you know the siege of Jerusalem was basically 3.5 years? The Thess man of sin is about the person who heads the 'rebellion that desolates' of Dan 8-9?

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swainkas said:

But to the rest I say, not the Lord … 1 Corinthians 7:12
Now concerning virgins I have no command of the Lord... 1 Corinthians 7:25
But in my opinion ... 1 Corinthians 7:40
I give my opinion in this matter... 2 Corinthians 8:10
What I am saying, I am not saying as the Lord would… 2 Corinthians 11:17

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Interplanner said:

Sorry Lamad, i don't know anywhere in the NT where this is in plain language and I just can't base anything on the Rev. the thess materials are about the standing temple; Paul speaks as though the wrath of God has already hit. Mt 24A is about 1st cent. Judea, as the intro shows.

Did you know the siege of Jerusalem was basically 3.5 years? The Thess man of sin is about the person who heads the 'rebellion that desolates' of Dan 8-9?

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Interplanner said:

Sorry Lamad, i don't know anywhere in the NT where this is in plain language and I just can't base anything on the Rev. the thess materials are about the standing temple; Paul speaks as though the wrath of God has already hit. Mt 24A is about 1st cent. Judea, as the intro shows.

Did you know the siege of Jerusalem was basically 3.5 years? The Thess man of sin is about the person who heads the 'rebellion that desolates' of Dan 8-9?

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iamlamad said:

Consider how accurate the prophecies of Jesus 1st coming were. When the 70th week comes, what we read about it will be just as accurate. NO ONE will have to guess after the fact. When John wrote 1260 days, it is going to happen exactly that way, accurate to the exact day. And it will be marked in history so future from that day they can look back and count again, amazed at how accurate God was. We can do that today with Daniel's prophecy, 69 * 7 * 360 = 173880 days. It has been proven time and again that this prophecy was accurate to the exact day.

What happened in 70 AD simply does not fit. There was no 1260 days BEFORE an abomination, and then 1260 days after. And Jesus was NOT SEEN on a white horse after. It is only MYTH to consider much of Revelation as history.

LAMAD

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• In the Creation event, God separated light and darkness. [Genesis 1:3-4]
• The Ten Commandments were inscribed on two tablets of stone. [Exodus 31:18; 32:15; 34:1, 4, 29]
• The children of Israel were forbidden to collect manna on the Sabbath and therefore were permitted to collect a double portion of manna on Friday.[Exodus 16:5]
• On the 6th day of Creation God created two&#8212;male and female&#8212;of every species in order that fertility might be a blessing to the earth. [Genesis 1:24-31]
• In the New Testament, Christians also saw this number as a symbol of the second person of the Trinity, the Incarnation of God the Son in the perfection of His humanity and divinity.

• At Kadesh-Barnea the Children of Israel traveled eleven days from Mt. Sinai. In one more day they could have been in the Holy Land but their faith failed them [Deuteronomy 1:2].
• The last two Kings of Judah each reigned eleven years before the Babylonian conquest of Judah: Jehoiakim [2 Kings 23:36; 24:1; 2 Chronicles 36:5-6 ] and Zedekiah [2 Chronicles 36:11; Jeremiah 52:1]
• When Judas died there were only eleven Apostles - their number was incomplete; to complete the order of twelve, a twelfth Apostles was chosen by lot [Acts 1:15-26].

• It is the first of the 4 perfect numbers which are 3 (divine perfection); 7 (spiritual perfection); 10 (ordinal perfection); and 12 (governmental perfection).
• The earth was separated from the waters on the 3rd day [Genesis 1:9-13]
• There were three Patriarchs of the children of Israel: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel
• There are three verses in the Priestly Blessing in which the Tetragrammaton, YHWH, God's holy covenant name, appears three times [Numbers 6:24-26].
• Three times the angelic Seraphim cry "Holy, Holy, Holy" [Isaiah 6:3 and Revelation 4:8].
• After the Great Flood mankind descended from the three sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. [Genesis 10:1-32]
• Three "men" announced to Abraham that his barren wife would bear a son [Genesis 18:14].
• Abraham was commanded to sacrifice his son after a three-day journey to Mt. Moriah [Genesis 22:1-4].
• Baby Moses was hidden by his mother for three months [Exodus 2:1] and the adult Moses requests of Pharaoh that he let Moses take his people on a three-day journey into the wilderness to offer sacrifice to their God [Exodus 3:18].
• There were three divisions of the desert Tabernacle and later the Temple in Jerusalem: the Outer Court, the Holy Place, and the Holy of Holies [Exodus 27:9; 26:1-30, 35-37; 31-34; 38:9-20; 21-31; 40:1-33; 1 Kings 6: 1-37].
• God is mentioned three times in the Shema, the Old Covenant profession of faith [Deuteronomy 6:4] and three times in the priestly blessing [Numbers 6:24-26].
• The three attributes of God mentioned in Exodus 33:18-19 are hen, rachum, and hesed (gracious, compassionate /merciful, and loving kindness).
• Of the seven annual Holy Feasts of the Sinai Covenant, three are "pilgrim feasts" in which every man 13 years or older must present himself before God at His Sanctuary and later at the Temple in Jerusalem. This command is repeated three time in scripture [Exodus 23:14-17; 34:18-23; Deuteronomy 16:16]
• Jonah spent three days in the belly of the great fish [Jonah 1:17]; Jonah took three days to journey across the city of Nineveh [Jonah 3:3]

xXChristPeripheralXx said:

Jesus born, Judgement 70 years later. (1 generation) 70ad
Israel born, Judgement 70 years later. (1 generation) 2018

Israel born 1948+70=2018, judgement, or middle of 70th week of Daniel..

If the 70th week starts next year, as I suspect it will, that is 66 years after the return of the Jews to Israel.

2014=2+1+4= 7, Gods Holy number, 14 is the sum of its factors, 2x7

Separation of Christians and anti christians.

TWO: This number can mean difference, division or double portion.

• In the Creation event, God separated light and darkness. [Genesis 1:3-4]
• The Ten Commandments were inscribed on two tablets of stone. [Exodus 31:18; 32:15; 34:1, 4, 29]
• The children of Israel were forbidden to collect manna on the Sabbath and therefore were permitted to collect a double portion of manna on Friday.[Exodus 16:5]
• On the 6th day of Creation God created two—male and female—of every species in order that fertility might be a blessing to the earth. [Genesis 1:24-31]
• In the New Testament, Christians also saw this number as a symbol of the second person of the Trinity, the Incarnation of God the Son in the perfection of His humanity and divinity.

2018= 2+1+8=11

ELEVEN: disorder: 10 + 1 or 12 - 1; also disorganization, lack of fulfillment, imperfection.

• At Kadesh-Barnea the Children of Israel traveled eleven days from Mt. Sinai. In one more day they could have been in the Holy Land but their faith failed them [Deuteronomy 1:2].
• The last two Kings of Judah each reigned eleven years before the Babylonian conquest of Judah: Jehoiakim [2 Kings 23:36; 24:1; 2 Chronicles 36:5-6 ] and Zedekiah [2 Chronicles 36:11; Jeremiah 52:1]
• When Judas died there were only eleven Apostles - their number was incomplete; to complete the order of twelve, a twelfth Apostles was chosen by lot [Acts 1:15-26].

2021, end of the Juddgement

21 is the sum of its factors, or 7, Gods holy number.. 3x7=21

THREE: In sacred Scripture the number three represents that which is solid, real, substantial, and something in its completeness. This number usually indicates something of importance or significance in God's plan of salvation by identifying an important event in Salvation History. This number operates as a "sign-post" in Scripture study for the reader to "pay attention" to the significance of the next event.
In the Old Testament:

• It is the first of the 4 perfect numbers which are 3 (divine perfection); 7 (spiritual perfection); 10 (ordinal perfection); and 12 (governmental perfection).
• The earth was separated from the waters on the 3rd day [Genesis 1:9-13]
• There were three Patriarchs of the children of Israel: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel
• There are three verses in the Priestly Blessing in which the Tetragrammaton, YHWH, God's holy covenant name, appears three times [Numbers 6:24-26].
• Three times the angelic Seraphim cry "Holy, Holy, Holy" [Isaiah 6:3 and Revelation 4:8].
• After the Great Flood mankind descended from the three sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. [Genesis 10:1-32]
• Three "men" announced to Abraham that his barren wife would bear a son [Genesis 18:14].
• Abraham was commanded to sacrifice his son after a three-day journey to Mt. Moriah [Genesis 22:1-4].
• Baby Moses was hidden by his mother for three months [Exodus 2:1] and the adult Moses requests of Pharaoh that he let Moses take his people on a three-day journey into the wilderness to offer sacrifice to their God [Exodus 3:18].
• There were three divisions of the desert Tabernacle and later the Temple in Jerusalem: the Outer Court, the Holy Place, and the Holy of Holies [Exodus 27:9; 26:1-30, 35-37; 31-34; 38:9-20; 21-31; 40:1-33; 1 Kings 6: 1-37].
• God is mentioned three times in the Shema, the Old Covenant profession of faith [Deuteronomy 6:4] and three times in the priestly blessing [Numbers 6:24-26].
• The three attributes of God mentioned in Exodus 33:18-19 are hen, rachum, and hesed (gracious, compassionate /merciful, and loving kindness).
• Of the seven annual Holy Feasts of the Sinai Covenant, three are "pilgrim feasts" in which every man 13 years or older must present himself before God at His Sanctuary and later at the Temple in Jerusalem. This command is repeated three time in scripture [Exodus 23:14-17; 34:18-23; Deuteronomy 16:16]
• Jonah spent three days in the belly of the great fish [Jonah 1:17]; Jonah took three days to journey across the city of Nineveh [Jonah 3:3]

We are on Gods prophetic time clock, the Jews are the mechanism he will use to start it up again..


You couldnt make this stuff up if you wanted... I guess we will have to see..


If only the Jews knew how big of a mistake it is to build the Temple.. We cant stop what is coming..

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xXChristPeripheralXx said:

Jesus born, Judgement 70 years later. (1 generation) 70ad
Israel born, Judgement 70 years later. (1 generation) 2018

Israel born 1948+70=2018, judgement, or middle of 70th week of Daniel..

If the 70th week starts next year, as I suspect it will, that is 66 years after the return of the Jews to Israel.

2014=2+1+4= 7, Gods Holy number, 14 is the sum of its factors, 2x7

Separation of Christians and anti christians.

TWO: This number can mean difference, division or double portion.

• In the Creation event, God separated light and darkness. [Genesis 1:3-4]
• The Ten Commandments were inscribed on two tablets of stone. [Exodus 31:18; 32:15; 34:1, 4, 29]
• The children of Israel were forbidden to collect manna on the Sabbath and therefore were permitted to collect a double portion of manna on Friday.[Exodus 16:5]
• On the 6th day of Creation God created two—male and female—of every species in order that fertility might be a blessing to the earth. [Genesis 1:24-31]
• In the New Testament, Christians also saw this number as a symbol of the second person of the Trinity, the Incarnation of God the Son in the perfection of His humanity and divinity.

2018= 2+1+8=11

ELEVEN: disorder: 10 + 1 or 12 - 1; also disorganization, lack of fulfillment, imperfection.

• At Kadesh-Barnea the Children of Israel traveled eleven days from Mt. Sinai. In one more day they could have been in the Holy Land but their faith failed them [Deuteronomy 1:2].
• The last two Kings of Judah each reigned eleven years before the Babylonian conquest of Judah: Jehoiakim [2 Kings 23:36; 24:1; 2 Chronicles 36:5-6 ] and Zedekiah [2 Chronicles 36:11; Jeremiah 52:1]
• When Judas died there were only eleven Apostles - their number was incomplete; to complete the order of twelve, a twelfth Apostles was chosen by lot [Acts 1:15-26].

2021, end of the Juddgement

21 is the sum of its factors, or 7, Gods holy number.. 3x7=21

THREE: In sacred Scripture the number three represents that which is solid, real, substantial, and something in its completeness. This number usually indicates something of importance or significance in God's plan of salvation by identifying an important event in Salvation History. This number operates as a "sign-post" in Scripture study for the reader to "pay attention" to the significance of the next event.
In the Old Testament:

• It is the first of the 4 perfect numbers which are 3 (divine perfection); 7 (spiritual perfection); 10 (ordinal perfection); and 12 (governmental perfection).
• The earth was separated from the waters on the 3rd day [Genesis 1:9-13]
• There were three Patriarchs of the children of Israel: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel
• There are three verses in the Priestly Blessing in which the Tetragrammaton, YHWH, God's holy covenant name, appears three times [Numbers 6:24-26].
• Three times the angelic Seraphim cry "Holy, Holy, Holy" [Isaiah 6:3 and Revelation 4:8].
• After the Great Flood mankind descended from the three sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. [Genesis 10:1-32]
• Three "men" announced to Abraham that his barren wife would bear a son [Genesis 18:14].
• Abraham was commanded to sacrifice his son after a three-day journey to Mt. Moriah [Genesis 22:1-4].
• Baby Moses was hidden by his mother for three months [Exodus 2:1] and the adult Moses requests of Pharaoh that he let Moses take his people on a three-day journey into the wilderness to offer sacrifice to their God [Exodus 3:18].
• There were three divisions of the desert Tabernacle and later the Temple in Jerusalem: the Outer Court, the Holy Place, and the Holy of Holies [Exodus 27:9; 26:1-30, 35-37; 31-34; 38:9-20; 21-31; 40:1-33; 1 Kings 6: 1-37].
• God is mentioned three times in the Shema, the Old Covenant profession of faith [Deuteronomy 6:4] and three times in the priestly blessing [Numbers 6:24-26].
• The three attributes of God mentioned in Exodus 33:18-19 are hen, rachum, and hesed (gracious, compassionate /merciful, and loving kindness).
• Of the seven annual Holy Feasts of the Sinai Covenant, three are "pilgrim feasts" in which every man 13 years or older must present himself before God at His Sanctuary and later at the Temple in Jerusalem. This command is repeated three time in scripture [Exodus 23:14-17; 34:18-23; Deuteronomy 16:16]
• Jonah spent three days in the belly of the great fish [Jonah 1:17]; Jonah took three days to journey across the city of Nineveh [Jonah 3:3]

We are on Gods prophetic time clock, the Jews are the mechanism he will use to start it up again..


You couldnt make this stuff up if you wanted... I guess we will have to see..


If only the Jews knew how big of a mistake it is to build the Temple.. We cant stop what is coming..

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