Who Controls the Nations of the Earth?

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lol. I dont know, some of those banksters look pretty scaly.

Super scaly bro.. Super scaly.. No coincidences, remember.. They control everything.

People dont realize how serious this Christian life is, and how far the deception has purveyed into their lives. All done with media.

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Preterism explained:

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

A few decades ago, Rom.3:18 was implanted in me when I seen the other side of God, ie, His righteous wrath and justice:

If my heart isn't right from God's view, He will make me believe whatever religious lie that I want to believe this moment, eg, IIThess.2:11, 12 & Rev.8:7-9:21. Nowism and not even partial to tiny, weensy iota partial Preterism - gogol plex Amillennialism.

Humble pie Jack

btw Mr. Obama and the Pope are only unknowing pawns to the big boys -banksters. Although not good being on strings, ie, I still like them both.
 
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thank you for your thread ... clearly it was needed ... didn't see these on the thread ... again disturbing ...

Matthew 4:8,9 ... this is the first teaching of Christ ...

Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and showeth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them. And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

John 14:30 ... Hereafter I will not talk much with you : for the prince of this world cometh. and hath nothing in me.

John 12:31 ... Now is the judgement of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

2 Corinthians 4:4 ... In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

first, i'm assuming(something i try not to do) this is what you're looking for ... i say assume because of your term 'this earth' ... God is still the God of the earth ... the word would be world ... the ways of the world ... the nations of the world ... if we are of this world ... we are not of Him ... Satan is the ruler of this world ...

an easy way to see this is to think how every country in the world mostly uses a monetary system ... which ultimately ends in corruption ... the love of money is just one way to visualize who is in control ...


side comment: one of the worst things i cried about here was the closing of the dreams and visions forum ... it was the last place a person could thoroughly discuss spiritual warfare ... hence this type question, a visual on the importance of why all things of the Lord should be discussed ... i.e. a lack of knowledge ... the more forums and places across the net that go that way ... the more threads where people don't even know who is who any more ... jmho needing to use my voice for a minute ...

we serioously should be very careful who we take info from ... there is Life and death in the tongue ...
 
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A few decades ago, Rom.3:18 was implanted in me when I seen the other side of God, ie, His righteous wrath and justice:

If my heart isn't right from God's view, He will make me believe whatever religious lie that I want to believe this moment, eg, IIThess.2:11, 12 & Rev.8:7-9:21. Nowism and not even partial to tiny, weensy iota partial Preterism - gogol plex Amillennialism.

Humble pie Jack

btw Mr. Obama and the Pope are only unknowing pawns to the big boys -banksters. Although not good being on strings, ie, I still like them both.


For some reason evil makes my chest burn these days..

I cant be around it..

How, as a Christian, in the presence of evil, are we supposed to keep our composure?

I know that most rich men are damned, and I don't share their affliction for money and power, it just makes me feel bad..
 
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thank you for your thread ... clearly it was needed ... didn't see these on the thread ... again disturbing ...

Matthew 4:8,9 ... this is the first teaching of Christ ...

Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and showeth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them. And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

John 14:30 ... Hereafter I will not talk much with you : for the prince of this world cometh. and hath nothing in me.

John 12:31 ... Now is the judgement of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

2 Corinthians 4:4 ... In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

first, i'm assuming(something i try not to do) this is what you're looking for ... i say assume because of your term 'this earth' ... God is still the God of the earth ... the word would be world ... the ways of the world ... the nations of the world ... if we are of this world ... we are not of Him ... Satan is the ruler of this world ...

an easy way to see this is to think how every country in the world mostly uses a monetary system ... which ultimately ends in corruption ... the love of money is just one way to visualize who is in control ...


side comment: one of the worst things i cried about here was the closing of the dreams and visions forum ... it was the last place a person could thoroughly discuss spiritual warfare ... hence this type question, a visual on the importance of why all things of the Lord should be discussed ... i.e. a lack of knowledge ... the more forums and places across the net that go that way ... the more threads where people don't even know who is who any more ... jmho needing to use my voice for a minute ...

we serioously should be very careful who we take info from ... there is Life and death in the tongue ...
The focus is on the "wrong side of the coin"!!! Why so many Christians want to focus on Satan...and not on Christ, is the problem!

We must remember in Jesus parable, as He is trying to get the Pharisees to understand who He is...He tells them a parable which tells them he came to bind Satan...Matthew 12:25-29 Jesus says:
25 And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand.
26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?
27 If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.
28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29 Or how can anyone enter the strong man’s house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.


Jesus is plundering Satan's house every time a person obtains salvation in Him! Too many are looking at the shape the world is in and think because of that Jesus isn't in control...AND THAT IS CONTRARY TO SCRIPTURE.

*Satan is defeated at the cross - Colossians 2:13-15:
13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,
14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
15 When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.


We are not to be looking at the world to determine who is in control. As Christians we must remember WE ARE IN THE WORLD NOT OF THE WORLD!!!

Jesus has had the reign since His resurrection...how do we read Matthew 28:18 and not know who reigns:

18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Why did Jesus say that...*IF* He doesn't rule???
 
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The focus is on the "wrong side of the coin"!!! Why so many Christians want to focus on Satan...and not on Christ, is the problem!

We must remember in Jesus parable, as He is trying to get the Pharisees to understand who He is...He tells them a parable which tells them he came to bind Satan...Matthew 12:25-29 Jesus says:
25 And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand.
26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?
27 If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.
28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29 Or how can anyone enter the strong man’s house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.


Jesus is plundering Satan's house every time a person obtains salvation in Him! Too many are looking at the shape the world is in and think because of that Jesus isn't in control...AND THAT IS CONTRARY TO SCRIPTURE.

*Satan is defeated at the cross - Colossians 2:13-15:
13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,
14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
15 When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.


We are not to be looking at the world to determine who is in control. As Christians we must remember WE ARE IN THE WORLD NOT OF THE WORLD!!!

Jesus has had the reign since His resurrection...how do we read Matthew 28:18 and not know who reigns:

18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Why did Jesus say that...*IF* He doesn't rule???

Jesus followers are the minority ... clearly ... it is because Satan rules this world that is so ... maybe a seperation of thought should be said here ... God is still in control ... but Satan is ruling right now ... the only answer i have to your why is this ... it must be so ... the ways of the world are what 'tax' us ... i.e. tempt. tribulation, trial, etc. ... without the ways of the world there would just be God's obedient and believing children ... so Satan's ways become more and more prevelant ... at some point bringing it all to a head ... for all of this to mean anything it has to mean it has to do with free will ... more people choose Satan ... or the ways of the world ... not even realizing they are the same thing ... anyway, we know all that ... it's just to try to show ... this ...

our way out of the world and Satan's rule at this time is HIM ... for that He gave us authority over Satan and all things belonging to Satan ... Jesus only rules over those who choose Him ... if they choose another ruler, it wouldn't be free will if they weren't allowed to say yes to that ruler ... there will be the day Jesus returns to rule this world ... but for now we just take our authority over those ways through Him ... the true WAY ... hopefully this makes sense ... because Jesus is the authority ... doesn't mean people will choose that authority ... yesk, He is the authority ... to those who will receive Him ...
 
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Hello

Who controls the nations on earth?

Curious to see what people think.

(Revelation 12:8, 9) 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.

Satan is very much in control is he not, just as Jesus Christ warned.

(John 14:30) 30 I shall not speak much with YOU anymore, for the ruler of the world is coming. And he has no hold on me.
 
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(Revelation 12:8, 9) 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.

Satan is very much in control is he not, just as Jesus Christ warned.

(John 14:30) 30 I shall not speak much with YOU anymore, for the ruler of the world is coming. And he has no hold on me.

Amen.

didn't use the one in Rev as i was worried it would start another whole subject ... but yes, ... Amen.
 
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The focus is on the "wrong side of the coin"!!! Why so many Christians want to focus on Satan...and not on Christ, is the problem!

Who cares about satan, he loses.. moving along.. I wrote a commentary for your passages, how you summed that up in two sentences is beyond me..

Mat 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
Nothing stands with internal conflict, marriages, friendships, businesses, Churches.. I think this passage is pretty cut and dry..

Mat 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
Jesus is talking about the self defeating premise of being accused of casting out satan in satans name, he is telling them it doesnt make sense. Its a double negative.

Mat 12:27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. Jesus is saying here that if HE is being called evil, who would the children cast them out in the name of? None is perfect but Christ.

Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Self explanatory, Christ is a physical incarnation of the Kingdom of God.

This last verse is fun.
Mat 12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

Mat12:29
Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house.
The house is the Body or person

and spoil his goods
corrupt with sin

except he first bind the strong man
Allow sin in

and then he will spoil his house.
Sin manifests into corruption of the person
 
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Jesus is plundering Satan's house every time a person obtains salvation in Him!
I like the way you put that..

Too many are looking at the shape the world is in and think because of that Jesus isn't in control...AND THAT IS CONTRARY TO SCRIPTURE.

Jesus is in control of his followers! but men are intrinsically evil, and this earth can only handle so much, this show must come to an end..

You must live in the woods, and forgot the US killed 500,000 children in Iraq, and has aborted 50,000,000 babies, and has legalized homosexuality.

You must have forgotten the story about Noah or Lot. When sin is legal, God gets involved.

Your going to see that next year for example after april.

This is because of satan. satan is the god of this world.

2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
 
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I like the way you put that..



Jesus is in control of his followers! but men are intrinsically evil, and this earth can only handle so much, this show must come to an end..

You must live in the woods, and forgot the US killed 500,000 children in Iraq, and has aborted 50,000,000 babies, and has legalized homosexuality.

You must have forgotten the story about Noah or Lot. When sin is legal, God gets involved.

Your going to see that next year for example after april.

This is because of satan. satan is the god of this world.

2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
What I would encourage is you look at what Jesus said. He ALL AUTHORITY has BEEN GIVEN to Me "IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH". ALL means ALL!!!

There is nothing Jesus doesn't control. He moves on things AT HIS WILL!!!

So when Jesus returns it's not to assume authority...IT IS TO EXERCISE THE AUTHORITY HE ALREADY HAS!!!

That's what authority is about...POWER. Just as Jesus chose when to do miracles when He walked this earth...HE DID THEM WHEN HE WANTED TO!
 
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What I would encourage is you look at what Jesus said. He ALL AUTHORITY has BEEN GIVEN to Me "IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH". ALL means ALL!!!

There is nothing Jesus doesn't control. He moves on things AT HIS WILL!!!

So when Jesus returns it's not to assume authority...IT IS TO EXERCISE THE AUTHORITY HE ALREADY HAS!!!

That's what authority is about...POWER. Just as Jesus chose when to do miracles when He walked this earth...HE DID THEM WHEN HE WANTED TO!

And did he not transfer that power to us, that we would do greater works than he did?

Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

You really need to read the parable of the wheat an tares.. Jesus gave the parable in verses 13:24-30, but then he gave the literal breakdown in these verses..

Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mat 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
Mat 13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
Mat 13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.
Mat 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
Mat 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
Mat 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
 
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So now you believe the beginning of Revelation, which you say occurred in 70ad is actually happening now?

Do you even know what the four horsemen are and what there function is?
The beginning of the Revelation was in 312AD when the first horseman appeared on the scene. The four horsemen are 4 Christian superpowers who conquer and police the earth for Jesus.
 
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What I would encourage is you look at what Jesus said. He ALL AUTHORITY has BEEN GIVEN to Me "IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH". ALL means ALL!!!

There is nothing Jesus doesn't control. He moves on things AT HIS WILL!!!

So when Jesus returns it's not to assume authority...IT IS TO EXERCISE THE AUTHORITY HE ALREADY HAS!!!

That's what authority is about...POWER. Just as Jesus chose when to do miracles when He walked this earth...HE DID THEM WHEN HE WANTED TO!


He also has authority to destroy and save.

A follower of Christ must always remember than satan is a powerful being, and he is in the "details" of this reality. That is the seat of his power. It has been "given" to him for a time, but it is running short.

But as his destruction shall come so shall his habitation, his seat.

Luke 4
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
 
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What I would encourage is you look at what Jesus said. He ALL AUTHORITY has BEEN GIVEN to Me "IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH". ALL means ALL!!!

There is nothing Jesus doesn't control. He moves on things AT HIS WILL!!!

So when Jesus returns it's not to assume authority...IT IS TO EXERCISE THE AUTHORITY HE ALREADY HAS!!!

That's what authority is about...POWER. Just as Jesus chose when to do miracles when He walked this earth...HE DID THEM WHEN HE WANTED TO!

God is in control ... always ... being in control, He also has the ability to designate who runs the world when ... the scriptures say Satan rules the world ... and he does ... i.e. it is the ways of the world that are corrupt ... God's Way is not ... yes, Jesus is the authority ... but He doesn't make any one do any thing they don't choose with free will ... yes, He is coming to exercise the authority He already has ... but as for now ... Satan is ruling ... through his spirits ... greed, lust, jealously, etc. ...

i can't make you see things that it isn't time for ... or whatever the reason ... not my job ... if it were i would start with this question ...

if Jesus is ruling this world right now ... then why is it such a mess ... just sayin' ...
 
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The beginning of the Revelation was in 312AD when the first horseman appeared on the scene. The four horsemen are 4 Christian superpowers who conquer and police the earth for Jesus.

Yes, you are so correct.....And they have armies beneath them......These are what the eyes represent in the wheels. And to get more exact, the four beasts are the foundation of all our material world.
 
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The beginning of the Revelation was in 312AD when the first horseman appeared on the scene. The four horsemen are 4 Christian superpowers who conquer and police the earth for Jesus.

edit: I got you confused with interplanter or whatever his name was..

I dont hold the same views you do.
 
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God is in control ... always ... being in control, He also has the ability to designate who runs the world when ... the scriptures say Satan rules the world ... and he does ... i.e. it is the ways of the world that are corrupt ... God's Way is not ... yes, Jesus is the authority ... but He doesn't make any one do any thing they don't choose with free will ... yes, He is coming to exercise the authority He already has ... but as for now ... Satan is ruling ... through his spirits ... greed, lust, jealously, etc. ...

i can't make you see things that it isn't time for ... or whatever the reason ... not my job ... if it were i would start with this question ...

if Jesus is ruling this world right now ... then why is it such a mess ... just sayin' ...

You are absolutely right in what you are saying, Jesus has an appointed time when he will exercise his total authority over the whole earth which his father has given him.

We know Satan offered Jesus all the Kingdoms of the earth, if Jesus did one act of worship to him, so Satan was offering Jesus ruler-ship of the world, was he not, but Jesus didn't take the bait.

But the issue of Sovereignty will soon be played out which is what the Bible points out at Matthew 24:21, 22

(Matthew 24:21, 22) 21 for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.

Satan will be completely put out of action, so he is not able to do any further damage during the Lord's Day of a Thousand Years.
 
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The beginning of the Revelation was in 312AD when the first horseman appeared on the scene. The four horsemen are 4 Christian superpowers who conquer and police the earth for Jesus.

Can you explain how you have arrived at there being four Christian Superpower Powers and who are they?
 
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