The Big Bang (Hypothesis) vs. Creationism

xXChristPeripheralXx · Dec 7, 2013

Davian said:
You described someone that was exhibiting altruistic behaviour as absolutely wrong, while emphasizing the power of altruism.

Nevermind, he was a nobody anyway.

Couldnt she just have organized everyone to boycott the buses without getting arrested?

Like instead of getting hemmed up by the cops, she could have went to her seat, went home, and organized a boycott.

Same end result.

Kylie · Dec 8, 2013

xXChristPeripheralXx said:
What egyptian records are you talking about?

Do you read Hieroglyphics and you have studied them or something?

No, but many other people have spent their whole lives studying ancient Egypt, and they have found not a single shred of evidence for it.

You guys are claiming that a race of people "made up" the story about being slaves?

How does that makes sense, no one in History has ever lied about being enslaved as a nation..

Oh, people make up all sorts of things to make their particular group feel victimized. Look at how some Christians go on about the alleged "war on Christmas", getting all offended when someone says, "Happy Holidays" to them.

You guys dont make any sense with this stuff...

Like claiming something as absolute fact without being able to produce any real world evidence?

mathetes123 · Dec 8, 2013

KTS said:
No, but many other people have spent their whole lives studying ancient Egypt, and they have found not a single shred of evidence for it.

You guys are claiming that a race of people "made up" the story about being slaves?

Oh, people make up all sorts of things to make their particular group feel victimized. Look at how some Christians go on about the alleged "war on Christmas", getting all offended when someone says, "Happy Holidays" to them.

Like claiming something as absolute fact without being able to produce any real world evidence?

Like claiming there is no God and convincing yourself it is true because you believe it avoids your guilt and accountability before a holy God.

xXChristPeripheralXx · Dec 8, 2013

KTS said:
No, but many other people have spent their whole lives studying ancient Egypt, and they have found not a single shred of evidence for it.

You guys are claiming that a race of people "made up" the story about being slaves?

Oh, people make up all sorts of things to make their particular group feel victimized. Look at how some Christians go on about the alleged "war on Christmas", getting all offended when someone says, "Happy Holidays" to them.

Like claiming something as absolute fact without being able to produce any real world evidence?

True Christians dont care about Christmas.

Jesus wasnt really born on December 25th, so Im not sure what you are talking about.

And just to set the record straight, you havent studied anything that has to do with Egyptian "historical" records, you just claim that someone else did?

Do you review something before you argue for it?

Kylie · Dec 8, 2013

mathetes123 said:
Like claiming there is no God and convincing yourself it is true because you believe it avoids your guilt and accountability before a holy God.

What? Where do you think you can just start making statements like this as to why I am an atheist. I am an atheist because I see no evidence for God. I am not trying to avoid any accountability.

Now, if you have something to say to address the issue, will you say it? What you are doing here is very poor debate form.

Kylie · Dec 8, 2013

xXChristPeripheralXx said:
True Christians dont care about Christmas.

Jesus wasnt really born on December 25th, so Im not sure what you are talking about.

Google is your friend.

And just to set the record straight, you havent studied anything that has to do with Egyptian "historical" records, you just claim that someone else did?

Do you review something before you argue for it?

I notice that you do not actually address the issue. All you do is claim that my point is invalid because I haven't personally studied it myself.

But, feel free to prove me wrong. Show me any real world source that shows that the Israelites were slaves in Egypt and that they were led out of Egypt by Moses after Egypt suffered plagues, and that the Egyptian pharaoh was killed crossing the Red sea and the Israelites then spent 40 years wandering in the desert. Because I'm willing to actually look at the evidence. All you gotta do is provide it.

xXChristPeripheralXx · Dec 8, 2013

KTS said:
Google is your friend.

I notice that you do not actually address the issue. All you do is claim that my point is invalid because I haven't personally studied it myself.

But, feel free to prove me wrong. Show me any real world source that shows that the Israelites were slaves in Egypt and that they were led out of Egypt by Moses after Egypt suffered plagues, and that the Egyptian pharaoh was killed crossing the Red sea and the Israelites then spent 40 years wandering in the desert. Because I'm willing to actually look at the evidence. All you gotta do is provide it.

Christ was not born on December 25.

It doesnt exist in any Bible known to man.

(Im a Christian, I would know)

The only historical account I have of jews in egypt are scriptural, which is more than you have against the proposal, I can assure you..

You guys should quit using google for everything and actually reference your claims..

Kylie · Dec 8, 2013

xXChristPeripheralXx said:
The only historical account I have of jews in egypt are scriptural, which is more than you have against the proposal, I can assure you..

I have the real world which says otherwise. Which is a better account of the real world, the Bible or the real world?

mathetes123 · Dec 8, 2013

KTS said:
Google is your friend.

I notice that you do not actually address the issue. All you do is claim that my point is invalid because I haven't personally studied it myself.

But, feel free to prove me wrong. Show me any real world source that shows that the Israelites were slaves in Egypt and that they were led out of Egypt by Moses after Egypt suffered plagues, and that the Egyptian pharaoh was killed crossing the Red sea and the Israelites then spent 40 years wandering in the desert. Because I'm willing to actually look at the evidence. All you gotta do is provide it.

Searching for Moses - Answers in Genesis

Kylie · Dec 9, 2013

mathetes123 said:
Searching for Moses - Answers in Genesis

Ah yes. Answers in Genesis. And when they real world evidence doesn't support their views their response is to change the real world in order to fit those views.

You got an UNBIASED source that agrees with their conclusion?

mathetes123 · Dec 9, 2013

KTS said:
Ah yes. Answers in Genesis. And when they real world evidence doesn't support their views their response is to change the real world in order to fit those views.

You got an UNBIASED source that agrees with their conclusion?

Care to respond to the points made in the article. I'm not buying your attack on the source. It only demonstrates you have nothing to offer to the discussion.

Kylie · Dec 9, 2013

I will not consider anything from a source that ADMITS that they are biased. They openly state that they proceed from the assumption that the Bible is literally true. This means that they have chosen their conclusion before looking at the evidence, and this is no way to conduct research. This is not evidence, it is what they have cherry picked and twisted to support the view that they have decided is right.

Now, I'll ask again. Given me VALID evidence from the REAL WORLD to support your claims.

mathetes123 · Dec 10, 2013

KTS said:
I will not consider anything from a source that ADMITS that they are biased. They openly state that they proceed from the assumption that the Bible is literally true. This means that they have chosen their conclusion before looking at the evidence, and this is no way to conduct research. This is not evidence, it is what they have cherry picked and twisted to support the view that they have decided is right.

Now, I'll ask again. Given me VALID evidence from the REAL WORLD to support your claims.

Are you suggesting you are without bias or your sources are without bias, an atheist coming into a Christian forum to debate about something which you don't believe exists, to what end?

Kylie · Dec 11, 2013

mathetes123 said:
Are you suggesting you are without bias or your sources are without bias, an atheist coming into a Christian forum to debate about something which you don't believe exists, to what end?

Is this the argument you are using? That my sources are just as biased as yours?

If you think a valid scientific source is equally as biased as AiG, then you are sorely mistaken.

mathetes123 · Dec 11, 2013

KTS said:
Is this the argument you are using? That my sources are just as biased as yours?

If you think a valid scientific source is equally as biased as AiG, then you are sorely mistaken.

AIG uses valid scientific sources and references their articles and yes, scientists are susceptible to bias, especially the bias of the ones funding their work, which in many cases is the government.

Kylie · Dec 11, 2013

mathetes123 said:
AIG uses valid scientific sources and references their articles

They just misrepresent them and/or draw false conclusions that the evidence doesn't actually support.

and yes, scientists are susceptible to bias, especially the bias of the ones funding their work, which in many cases is the government.

Peer review removes bias by letting everyone see their method. Any bias introduced by one person will be found by others.

ThinkForYourself · Dec 12, 2013

mathetes123 said:
AIG uses valid scientific sources and references their articles and yes, scientists are susceptible to bias, especially the bias of the ones funding their work, which in many cases is the government.

Scientists can be biased, but peer review tends to remove bias because others can follow the same methodology.

As opposed to religious sites, which tend to go with the bible being the ultimate source of truth, regardless of what the evidence supports.

epluribus36 · Dec 13, 2013

variant said:
So what is God and how does God make a universe?

Great questions. I don't know the answers, but I believe He sent His Son to die for all of our sins, to wash us clean and make us worthy of His Kingdom of Heaven.

What does the Bible say God says He is? I AM. That's good enough for me.

As far as how He made the universe; why do you want to know? What would you do with that information, if you possessed it?

Loudmouth · Dec 13, 2013

mathetes123 said:
AIG uses valid scientific sources and references their articles and yes, scientists are susceptible to bias, especially the bias of the ones funding their work, which in many cases is the government.

"By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record."--Answers in Genesis, Statement of Faith

The AiG Statement of Faith - Answers in Genesis

Find a single scientific source that requires the same statement of faith for any theory.

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