What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments??

What do you understand about the Ten Commandments?

  • The ten Commandments belong to God

  • The Ten Commandments belong to Moses.

  • The principles of the Ten commandments are restricted to a time period.

  • The principles of the Ten Commandments are/were for all times.

  • Jesus/God wrote the Ten Commandments.

  • Moses wrote the Ten Commandments

  • All men will be judged by the principles of the Ten Commandments.

  • Only the Jews will be judge by the principles of the Ten Commandments.

  • The principles of the Ten Commandments is what Jesus meant will not change. Mat 5:17-19.

  • A Christians can be saved without living up to the principles of the Ten Commandments


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VictorC

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So you would have us to understand Jesus and His Ten commandments is the same as by the Ten commandments?

Adding to Jesus disallows His redemption. This is done by reverting to the entity He redeemed us from, and leaving God's redemption. Your understanding needs to conform to what Scripture actually says, rather than asking rhetorical questions reliant on a false premise (Jesus didn't give the Gentiles living in Barbados the Ten Commandments).
 
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Nope. But it's still error. It's adding a requirement unto salvation.

As it is written, No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other.
 
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In the Garden, Adam could do anything, but not suffer the consequences. There was no pain, sickness or death. Wonderful, one might say, but that is like saying a bicycle with training wheels is wonderful. You can't fall! We know that it is not true, its not wonderful. For one thing, you can't lean into corners. You can't go in between narrow objects, go through hard to access places. This means you can't go fast. And you can't go certain places. A similar limiting situation existed in the Garden.
:idea::idea::idea: Any scriptures to back that up? Words you're speaking are either truth or not true.



IOW, in the Garden Adam couldn't reach his full potential. He couldn't exercise his freedom to chose to do good deeds, although he had the ability. He couldn't be fair, not take another person's goods although he was stronger. He couldn't forgive those who stole from his plentiful property. He couldn't sacrifice what was necessary for his own good situation to give to a needy person. Justice, mercy and love. All the stuff that having the image of God enabled him to exercise. All the stuff God Himself exercises.
List other people besides Adam and Eve that was in the Garden please? :confused::confused::confused:

So God placed a tree in the Garden which gave attractive fruit ,and told Adam not to eat the fruit. What happens? Adam eats the fruit! Resulting in him leaving the Garden and entering into the world where the framework for exercising these qualities exists.
Now Man can manifest the qualities that an image of God entails.


If Cain and Abel were born in the garden press A? Out of the garden press B. If your answer is; "I dont know", press G because your whole post is gabbage.
 
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From another thead on the same subject.

Do we see Christ asking about our obedience to the Ten Commandments at Final Judgement?


Matthew 25:31-46

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Ooops... nothing in the final judgement except the law of liberty.

1. "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind."

2. "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."

God be gracious to me a sinner.
 
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The Holy Spirit is part of The Trinity. It is God that gave the Ten commandments, yet part of the God head would not lead us to the Ten Comandments?
The first Commandment says that we should worship God only but The Holy Spirit will never direct us to that? It would be forsaking grace and faith to worship God and God alone? We will be making the worship of God our means of salvation instead of Jesus!
Why of course God would deliver us from the law and lead us right back to it. Bull!! Now why would God deliver us from the law in the first place if He was going to lead us right back to it? God didn't take Israel back to Egypt.
 
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Originally Posted by Elder 111
So you would have us to understand Jesus and His Ten commandments is the same as by the Ten commandments?
Nope. But it's still error. It's adding a requirement unto salvation.
So saying that we should serve God only as the Ten commandments requires is adding a requirement to salvation? So I can be save without serving God?
 
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Originally Posted by Elder 111
So you would have us to understand Jesus and His Ten commandments is the same as by the Ten commandments?
Adding to Jesus disallows His redemption. This is done by reverting to the entity He redeemed us from, and leaving God's redemption. Your understanding needs to conform to what Scripture actually says, rather than asking rhetorical questions reliant on a false premise (Jesus didn't give the Gentiles living in Barbados the Ten Commandments).
The Ten commandments that Jesus gave is adding to His redemption? Adding how? So redemption is our's without us serving God alone, having an idol or two? He redeem us from a Holy Just and Good law that He himself gave? God redeemed us from Himself? We are saved from the law?
Jesus never wanted the Gentles in Barbados not to steal? Not to put away any idols they may have? Not to worship God alone?
 
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Why of course God would deliver us from the law and lead us right back to it. Bull!! Now why would God deliver us from the law in the first place if He was going to lead us right back to it? God didn't take Israel back to Egypt.
Why would he remove the law that ask us to worship him?
 
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Adding to Jesus disallows His redemption. This is done by reverting to the entity He redeemed us from, and leaving God's redemption. Your understanding needs to conform to what Scripture actually says, rather than asking rhetorical questions reliant on a false premise (Jesus didn't give the Gentiles living in Barbados the Ten Commandments).
It is evident that Elder111 didn't read my post faithfully...
The Ten commandments that Jesus gave is adding to His redemption?
No.
Adding the Law to Jesus is denying His redemption. It is turning away from your new master to revert to becoming the property of another that Jesus bought you from with His Blood.
Adding how?
By openly declaring that Christ's atonement isn't sufficient to reconcile you to a Holy God. You have to add your work to His, as if you don't trust Him.
So redemption is our's without us serving God alone, having an idol or two?
Exactly.
Stop trying to excuse your idolatry before God's presence, "knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot".
He redeem us from a Holy Just and Good law that He himself gave?
God didn't give you the Ten Commandments.
God redeemed us from Himself?
Please tell me you haven't deified the Law and worship the created thing over the Creator!
We are saved from the law?
Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
Jesus never wanted the Gentles in Barbados not to steal?
Reversing the relationship the Children of Israel had with the Law they alone had (not the Gentiles in Barbados) is reading your theology into Scripture, and not drawing your theology from Scripture. Romans 7:6 and Galatians 3:23 have been pointed out to you scores of times, and you still want to contradict God's Word and make up a carnal list of 'do' and 'don't' from God's Holy covenant you never received.

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No, God doesn't want you to steal. But the Law didn't stop you from stealing, and God already declared all the recipients of the Law disobedient. That doesn't even include you.
Your question based on reversing the factual relationship of the Law keeping a certain people until the fulness of time is bogus. Your question should have been "does God want to condemn all the people of Barbados eternally for theft?". This is what you're arguing for. Did you think it in vain that Scripture tells us "sin is not imputed when there is no law"?
Not to put away any idols they may have?
This is no longer an academic question. Do you think God should condemn you eternally for your idolatry?
Not to worship God alone?
You had plenty of opportunity to fix the error mentioned earlier in your post, whereby you deified the Law and you're committed to serving two masters. I have to accept what you wrote as representative of your true intentions.
It was not in vain that our Lord said "No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other".

My question posted to you earlier is no longer rhetorical. It deserves an honest answer.
 
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Originally Posted by Elder 111
So you would have us to understand Jesus and His Ten commandments is the same as by the Ten commandments?

The Ten commandments that Jesus gave is adding to His redemption? Adding how? So redemption is our's without us serving God alone, having an idol or two? He redeem us from a Holy Just and Good law that He himself gave? God redeemed us from Himself? We are saved from the law?
Jesus never wanted the Gentles in Barbados not to steal? Not to put away any idols they may have? Not to worship God alone?
What ten commandments did Jesus give?
 
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The 10 commandments were given to convict us of sin and our need of a savior

Galatians 3:21-25 (KJV)
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid:for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
 
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The 10 commandments were given to convict us of sin and our need of a savior

Galatians 3:21-25 (KJV)
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid:for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
:amen:
 
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